Women worth your while always drop the handkerchief.

[MatureDJ]

With indirect approaching, you'll start a conversation about something in her basket, something she's looking at in the aisle, or a shirt/color combination she's wearing.

 

[thelambofdeth]

You indeed are either trolling, or just depressed. It's hard to find a positive comment from you when it comes to dating. i
It's good to be the devil's advocate, but you always talk in problems, and never in solutions.

I've told you before, that I am NOT a guy with trough the roof SMV,but I am a opportunist. I smile at life, and that ENERGY attracts women. I get ioi everywhere bc I have developed a radar for female wondering eyes. You are taller then me, better dressed and got hair. Still you refuse to listen or take advices.

We all have friends who attract women more easily then others. At best you can learn from them. When I was younger I was sometimes kinda surprised why a certain woman would pick me. Nowadays, as my confidence and my DGAF attitude grew, I understand, salute and reward women for choosing me.

I know at this point you wont take anything from me regarding energy, aura ect. You're believes seems set in stone already. A pity,
because I think this site is full of information on how to change your succes rate and you seem like a well spoken person.

You are well spoken, 6,3 , dressed wel( maybe over dressed?). Do we really need o convince you there are dudes with less getting plenty of women??

I'll repeat myself; be more friendly and less pessimistic. Your issues are 100 %internal.

And ofcourse FEEL high value . First quoted poster as a prime example. Imagine dressing a 3rd world African / south American dude up in all that fancy clothes...his confidence will be through the freaking roof ..

lol someone having different life experiences doesn't constitute "trolling". No one goes on a board where everyone brags about their overwhelming success with women and trolls via stating they're the inverse of that...

Dude, that's really fantastic for you, I'm glad you get choosing signals everywhere. Must be nice., but again you're projecting. if you don't get them, you don't get them. If you're an introverted person who knows what IOIs look like and you scan and observe to see if any are directed at you and you habitually don't get any, that's kind of a major hint and isn't exactly going to inspire confidence to be more "friendly" and "optimistic".

My issue isn't not that I'm bewildered at the caliber of women selecting or picking me...that is an entirely different problem to have, and a much better one. You can't "reward" women that choose you...if.none.of.them.do.

Not really, tbh this board seems to be full of a lot of gaslighting and faux advice for guys who are already successful or have a lot SMV/are good-looking and their issue is that they just have too many options.

Define "less". They could be much better looking, have more money, have high social clout, etc. Like I said, being tall and dressing well are arbitrary benefits that I can directly attest to. They're pretty much at the bottom of preferences for women, realistically.

I totally get your perspective dude, and I'm glad it works out for you, but it's not applicable to everyone.

 

[Gamisch]

lol someone having different life experiences doesn't constitute "trolling". No one goes on a board where everyone brags about their overwhelming success with women and trolls via stating they're the inverse of that...

Dude, that's really fantastic for you, I'm glad you get choosing signals everywhere. Must be nice., but again you're projecting. if you don't get them, you don't get them. If you're an introverted person who knows what IOIs look like and you scan and observe to see if any are directed at you and you habitually don't get any, that's kind of a major hint and isn't exactly going to inspire confidence to be more "friendly" and "optimistic".

My issue isn't not that I'm bewildered at the caliber of women selecting or picking me...that is an entirely different problem to have, and a much better one. You can't "reward" women that choose you...if.none.of.them.do.

Not really, tbh this board seems to be full of a lot of gaslighting and faux advice for guys who are already successful or have a lot SMV/are good-looking and their issue is that they just have too many options.

Define "less". They could be much better looking, have more money, have high social clout, etc. Like I said, being tall and dressing well are arbitrary benefits that I can directly attest to. They're pretty much at the bottom of preferences for women, realistically.

I totally get your perspective dude, and I'm glad it works out for you, but it's not applicable to everyone.

Nobody here brags, its quite the opposite actually. Most men here admit they gotta learn game, and try to finetune their weaknesses.

Instead of (with all due respect) complaining you might be better of spending your typing skills on making the following thread;

"I am 6,3 well dressed but dont recieve ioi. What can I do to improve?"

If I would teach you boxing and you tell me you have a killer jab and right hook, I would tell you right of the bat that wont be enough to compete. The sweet science is about devolving skills , taking risks and learn from those experiences. 2 "skills" are not enough ,you might need 20, 30, 60 skills to adjust to different situations.

Every post you send typing this **** is another signal to the universe saying you're not good enough for these stupid ass empty shell bicthes. I have friends like this and tbh I dgaf about them not getting poon anymore. Similar like you, they refuse to look in the mirror and ask for help so they end up with dry spells the Sahara desert would even chuckle at.

Less, means not more than. Less money less height less designer clothes. Life is now and today. If a man doesnt get the results he wants he needs to make adjustments and test the waters. I am going against you so readers in similar situations know that dwelling in misery over women is not neccessary, despite your looks ,status ect.


Nobody can control how you view yourself.

 

[Rainman4707]

but not that successful with women


SpaceX, Elon Musk's aerospace company, had to compensate one of its stewardesses with $250,000 as part of an out-of-court settlement for a lawsuit for sexual misconduct by the same tycoon in 2016, on a flight to London.

According to Business Insider, the assistant was part of the crew of a corporate flight where Musk moved. In her lawsuit, the assistant accused Musk of exposing his erect penis to her, rubbing her leg without consent and offering to buy her a horse in exchange for an erotic massage.

Yeah..the point was ...that the posters were discussing if a woman can tell how successful you are by what you're wearing or which supermarket or ailse you're in.

I'm pointing out that musk is the richest man in the planet and he was happy living in a rundown house. Therefore if a woman didnt know him...she might think he's a bum..

Some men prefer to save money, rather than spend it on materialistic things and women.

Loads of men have millions in their account...they have expensive clothes, but are happy going to walmart in workgear (cargo pants)

 

[Bigpapa]

Yeah..the point was ...that the posters were discussing if a woman can tell how successful you are by what you're wearing or which supermarket or ailse you're in.

I'm pointing out that musk is the richest man in the planet and he was happy living in a rundown house. Therefore if a woman didnt know him...she might think he's a bum..

Some men prefer to save money, rather than spend it on materialistic things and women.

Loads of men have millions in their account...they have expensive clothes, but are happy going to walmart in workgear (cargo pants)

women can not gauge from the get go if you are poor or rich because richness can easily be faked through personal loans or credit cards

this is the game of most guys ,jeopardizing their financial situation over some p8ssy than is not even cute

if you plan spending money that you do not have ,it is cheaper to go to escorts

 

[SW15]

All of my grocery store approaches have been more subtle that that.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Nobody here brags, its quite the opposite actually. Most men here admit they gotta learn game, and try to finetune their weaknesses.

This is a total, unabashed lie.

Instead of (with all due respect) complaining you might be better of spending your typing skills on making the following thread;

"I am 6,3 well dressed but dont recieve ioi. What can I do to improve?"

If I would teach you boxing and you tell me you have a killer jab and right hook, I would tell you right of the bat that wont be enough to compete. The sweet science is about devolving skills , taking risks and learn from those experiences. 2 "skills" are not enough ,you might need 20, 30, 60 skills to adjust to different situations.

Every post you send typing this **** is another signal to the universe saying you're not good enough for these stupid ass empty shell bicthes. I have friends like this and tbh I dgaf about them not getting poon anymore. Similar like you, they refuse to look in the mirror and ask for help so they end up with dry spells the Sahara desert would even chuckle at.

Less, means not more than. Less money less height less designer clothes. Life is now and today. If a man doesnt get the results he wants he needs to make adjustments and test the waters. I am going against you so readers in similar situations know that dwelling in misery over women is not neccessary, despite your looks ,status ect.


Nobody can control how you view yourself.

If I made that thread I'd be bombarded with all the obligatory clichés..."just be confident bro, go get buff bro, fake it till you make it, change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude!". Just people who have never dealt with or experienced the issue, attempting to explain it away and pretend it's not even a legitimate problem.

I've looked in the mirror and altered pretty much everything I feasibly can, sans I guess...plastic surgery. If you mean that metaphorically, I've reflected. People fail to realize there's only so much you can change regarding your personality or acumen, especially if you're in a cycle of disappointment.

I didn't mean to literally define the word "less", I mean look at the statement in its totality. Those guys who are succeeding who aren't as tall, and dress less prominently absolutely compensate in areas that women actually care about. It's not like they're just short, haggard randos. Hell, literally every time I go out I see short, modestly dressed guys with women. A. Because neither of those attributes are that important, and B. There are factors far more important than those I have that the guys are succeeding, very likely have.

How you view yourself and how women view yourself aren't uniform.

 

[Bigpapa]

This is a total, unabashed lie.


If I made that thread I'd be bombarded with all the obligatory clichés..."just be confident bro, go get buff bro, fake it till you make it, change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude!". Just people who have never dealt with or experienced the issue, attempting to explain it away and pretend it's not even a legitimate problem.

I've looked in the mirror and altered pretty much everything I feasibly can, sans I guess...plastic surgery. If you mean that metaphorically, I've reflected. People fail to realize there's only so much you can change regarding your personality or acumen, especially if you're in a cycle of disappointment.

I didn't mean to literally define the word "less", I mean look at the statement in its totality. Those guys who are succeeding who aren't as tall, and dress less prominently absolutely compensate in areas that women actually care about. It's not like they're just short, haggard randos. Hell, literally every time I go out I see short, modestly dressed guys with women. A. Because neither of those attributes are that important, and B. There are factors far more important than those I have that the guys are succeeding, very likely have.

How you view yourself and how women view yourself aren't uniform.

bro , the discussions are about how to get at least cute women . Not how to get a woman

no one really wants to bang a bellow average woman . Some will be ok with that , but for sure they would bang something better if they could

I had the same view as you but the reality is that people in general do not care about your struggles etc

you either do what needs to be done , either you do not . Each has its pros and cons

it is also very true that most of the ladies men are extroverts , so I think that you can easily correlate and infer that being an extrovert helps with the ladies as usually extroverts are very good communicators and have an alluring energy around them

 

[thelambofdeth]

bro , the discussions are about how to get at least cute women . Not how to get a woman

no one really wants to bang a bellow average woman . Some will be ok with that , but for sure they would bang something better if they could

I had the same view as you but the reality is that people in general do not care about your struggles etc

you either do what needs to be done , either you do not . Each has its pros and cons

it is also very true that most of the ladies men are extroverts , so I think that you can easily correlate and infer that being an extrovert helps with the ladies as usually extroverts are very good communicators and have an alluring energy around them

OFC not, literally everyone would bang something better if they could. If everyone was content with banging fat uggos, this forum wouldn't exist. I'm not really seeing your point...

I didn't ask for pity, sympathy, understanding or whatever else. I gave my stance on the original post and got deemed a troll bc I gave a realistic assertion of the first post and video in the thread and didn't regurgitate the same trite platitudes many here do. I wasn't trying to make this thread about my issues, just simply point out the invalidity of the concept in the OP about IOIs and how they ABSOLUTELY vary in number depending on the dude.

OFC...that's obvious. That's like inferring most men who do well with women are good-looking or have high status. Of course. But it's totally moot to mention because one cannot simply rejigger themselves into an extrovert.

 

[Velasco]

if you don't get them, you don't get them. If you're an introverted person who knows what IOIs look like and you scan and observe to see if any are directed at you and you habitually don't get any, that's kind of a major hint and isn't exactly going to inspire confidence to be more "friendly" and "optimistic"

change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude

Brother I am introverted as well. As are most guys on this forum. Lack of IOIs in your day to day life aren't really as big a deal as you may be mislead to believe. Especially if your someone whose inexperienced with girls, and are therefore going by what third party commenters are saying what it's like out there. Like this comment below

If I had a woman randomly come up to me and say "omg you're so hot/cute/wtf ever"...I would notice

Never happens in my day to day life. And only rarely happens when I go out to bars. I get the "hot" compliment only after I've spend some time engaging girls in conversation. Looking at them like I know I'm the sh1t. I will say, rather than look for signs that a girl is throwing you IOIs. Spend the time looking for girls that your attracted to, that might be down to ****. I am telling you, You will run into down to fvck girls, who'd be down to fvck you, that may have not noticed you yet (no indicator of interest signs directed towards you).

Also take a look at this post

LED (Looks Environment Drugs)

Looks: https://looksmax.org/threads/sex-appeal-maxxing-official-guide.120684/ Environment: Drugs:

www.sosuave.net

In the first comment I made on this thread I said "be good looking and go to the right places." These are just two of the 3 keys to getting laid like a rockstar. The 3rd, I talk about in the post above.

 

[IKO69]

As far as IOI's, the blatant you are so good looking stuff is I think something that happens more often when you are younger. By younger I mean teenage years - probably because they are teenage girls and not sophisticated yet in their flirting. In that period I had girls sometimes blurt out I was good looking. When I think back there were a good number of girls I could've gotten with but was oblivious about --- and the girls had honestly done a poor job of hiding it in hindsight.

As I got older it would happen less and less and they would only say it when we were basically about to get serious or after (had sex). Now days as far IOI's it is just smiles or a friend of hers does the dirty work to get us to talk --- all of this is as good as being told good looking.

Men that the woman is not interested are basically flat out ignored so it is pretty easy to tell when you are in or not.

 

[Rainman4707]

All of my grocery store approaches have been more subtle that that.

LOL. I might try that....
I will have to be careful though...i've came really close to approaching two women the other day. I'm glad i did'nt because i later noticed that their boyfriends were in the next ailse with their kids

 

[Gamisch]

This is a total, unabashed lie.


If I made that thread I'd be bombarded with all the obligatory clichés..."just be confident bro, go get buff bro, fake it till you make it, change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude!". Just people who have never dealt with or experienced the issue, attempting to explain it away and pretend it's not even a legitimate problem.

I've looked in the mirror and altered pretty much everything I feasibly can, sans I guess...plastic surgery. If you mean that metaphorically, I've reflected. People fail to realize there's only so much you can change regarding your personality or acumen, especially if you're in a cycle of disappointment.

I didn't mean to literally define the word "less", I mean look at the statement in its totality. Those guys who are succeeding who aren't as tall, and dress less prominently absolutely compensate in areas that women actually care about. It's not like they're just short, haggard randos. Hell, literally every time I go out I see short, modestly dressed guys with women. A. Because neither of those attributes are that important, and B. There are factors far more important than those I have that the guys are succeeding, very likely have.

How you view yourself and how women view yourself aren't uniform.

You are stubborn.

It seems like you're trolling bc you keep swimming against the stream to lure out reactions. On this board most men will deep dive into your specific situation, and there are even some cool women who can give you a purely female perspective on it. But oke , I'll assume you ain't trolling and with that hope there is another poster lurker with similar issues like you.

Most men ,like myself, can actually testify we taught like you, that looks money status ect matters. Most men ,including me ,at some pon t had a dry spell that lasted at least 6 months thinking what wrong with the man in the mirror. But then we tested the waters, and found out it's not just about clothes ,money ect there is much more to the game( although it does help a ton).

If you project this energy my brother...then you must be walking with your face down. And that no insult, I used to do the same. But guess what, walking with your chin up will make you see the world completely different, including seeing countless of IOI.

You decide how tomorrow gonna look like. God bless you my brother.

 

[SW15]

LOL. I might try that....
I will have to be careful though...i've came really close to approaching two women the other day. I'm glad i did'nt because i later noticed that their boyfriends were in the next ailse with their kids

When doing grocery store approaching, venue selection is important. I’ve tended to grocery shop in singles dense areas. Still, there are enough young married couples that I do make quick glances for rings on hands.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Brother I am introverted as well. As are most guys on this forum. Lack of IOIs in your day to day life aren't really as big a deal as you may be mislead to believe. Especially if your someone whose inexperienced with girls, and are therefore going by what third party commenters are saying what it's like out there. Like this comment below

I don't even look for IOIs in my day-to-day, as considering I'm not super buff or a good-looking pretty boy, that's pointless. I look for them when out socially such as bars, where you're the most likely to see them...and still don't get them.

Never happens in my day-to-day life. And only rarely happens when I go out to bars. I get the "hot" compliment only after I've spend some time engaging girls in conversation. Looking at them like I know I'm the sh1t. I will say, rather than look for signs that a girl is throwing you IOIs. Spend the time looking for girls that your attracted to, that might be down to ****. I am telling you, You will run into down to fvck girls, who'd be down to fvck you, that may have not noticed you yet (no indicator of interest signs directed towards you).

Never happens in my life, ever lol. And depending on your level the only women who may be "dtf" are fat uggos. I already have pretty humble standards and I'm not looking for Stacys or some chit, but if I'm looking for IOIs from a decent-looking bar slot and I get literally no signs...well...that doesn't inspire any confidence to go approach them.

Also take a look at this post

LED (Looks Environment Drugs)

Looks: https://looksmax.org/threads/sex-appeal-maxxing-official-guide.120684/ Environment: Drugs:

www.sosuave.net

In the first comment I made on this thread I said "be good looking and go to the right places." These are just two of the 3 keys to getting laid like a rockstar. The 3rd, I talk about in the post above.

lol drugs? I will say I've probably pulled the hottest women I've ever had while had on LSD but....lol. Also the most important of these three is being good-looking, and everyone can't just be good-looking. Sure, you can improve or make yourself look better...but what if you're already done that and it hasn't made a change? That's my point. If looksmaxxxing or whatever worked for everyone, everyone would do it.

 

[Velasco]

if I'm looking for IOIs from a decent-looking bar slot and I get literally no signs...well...that doesn't inspire any confidence to go approach them.

Re-read

rather than look for signs that a girl is throwing you IOIs. Spend the time looking for girls that your attracted to, that might be down to fvck.

You did this naturally when you were on drugs (in the moment, feeling good. Outside of your own head).

I've probably pulled the hottest women I've ever had while had on LSD

That's how I know you got this, bro

 

[thelambofdeth]

Re-read

I already read it...if you scan for IOIs and you don't get them when you know women give them out all the time and it's the social norm, yet YOU don't get any...what exactly would motivate you to just go after them if they've given no hints or anything regarding them having ANY interest in you?? Like ok, I see a woman I'm attracted to ...yet she's not giving me IOIs...clearly, she's not interested and that's it.

You did this naturally when you were on drugs (in the moment, feeling good. Outside of your own head).

That's how I know you got this, bro

That was literal years ago. I don't even get the same effect anymore lol.

 

[Velasco]

Like ok, I see a woman I'm attracted to ...yet she's not giving me IOIs...clearly, she's not interested and that's it.

Smh...her back can be turned to you. She can be ordering a drink. Looking for her friends. Looking for the restroom. Waiting in line to use the restroom. texting someone. aka NOT giving you IOIs.....However be giving signs she might be available (maybe earlier you saw her dancing sexually with her girl friend. And you noticed there's only 3 in the group (2 girls, 1 gay guy= might be dtf). You saw her earlier pacing the bar with her friend looking for guys but she didn't see you looking at her (I'm giving you all real examples of girls I ended up fvcking that didn't notice me before I approached them). So your attracted to her. With the added confidence from your drug of choice (see below), you approach and find out. And even if she is dtf, you still have to not put your foot in your mouth, saying something socially weird. Because then she'll reject you for that. Rather than her not being interest in you.

was literal years ago. I don't even get the same effect anymore lol

So it worked when you did get the effect, right? Maybe a substitute drug that provides the same high, will achieve the same result. For me, I know that cocaine and molly don't do anything for me anymore. Why my drug of choice is alcohol (which I've learned through trial and error, how to drink properly. So that I end up fvcking a chick at the end of the night, instead of getting myself into drunken bar fights).

 

[thelambofdeth]

Smh...her back can be turned to you. She can be ordering a drink. Looking for her friends. Looking for the restroom. Waiting in line to use the restroom. texting someone. aka NOT giving you IOIs.....However be giving signs she might be available (maybe earlier you saw her dancing sexually with her girl friend. And you noticed there's only 3 in the group (2 girls, 1 gay guy= might be dtf). You saw her earlier pacing the bar with her friend looking for guys but she didn't see you looking at her (I'm giving you all real examples of girls I ended up fvcking that didn't notice me before I approached them). So your attracted to her. With the added confidence from your drug of choice (see below), you approach and find out. And even if she is dtf, you still have to not put your foot in your mouth, saying something socially weird. Because then she'll reject you for that. Rather than her not being interest in you.

So it worked when you did get the effect, right? Maybe a substitute drug that provides the same high, will achieve the same result. For me, I know that cocaine and molly don't do anything for me anymore. Why my drug of choice is alcohol (which I've learned through trial and error, how to drink properly. So that I end up fvcking a chick at the end of the night, instead of getting myself into drunken bar fights).

Basically you're saying look for slots....so there's no interest given and you're just basically making a guess. Lol. You could spot a woman doing anything you listed and she could totally not be looking for new penis, or you know...interested in someone else...

Psychedelics you to make me feel great and totally lower my inhibitions, but I have a tolerance for them now and I'm still too much in my head on them. Alcohol does nothing for that and I totally hate the stuff...

 

[Velasco]

Basically you're saying look for slots..

Look for girls that are interested in what your looking for. How many guys they've slept with up to that point is completely irrelevant to that fact. As I've picked up and slept with multiple virgins from clubs. One of which I discussed here.

you're just basically making a guess.

Correct. It's a numbers game after all. You only get better at predicting, the more experience you get. I e. Less approaching. Just like a batter tries to predict what a pitcher will throw at him. Or a racing driver tries to predict which way or what his opponent will do.

Alcohol does nothing for that and I totally hate the stuff...

Does nothing for lowering your inhibitions? Well then you'd fall under the outlier category for that. As that's known as the popular method (because it works) of lowering inhibitions. I'd tell you to try benzos, but I have no experience with them so I can't recommend them.