Is it ever appropriate to confront girls on flaky behavior?

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

That’s cap.

Lmao, sorry to burst your bubble. I’m also talking about B2B sales not some mall kiosk perfume salesman.

 

[Striker_93]

That’s cap.

If someone keeps failing at something then their not good at it and need to change strategies.

But I think what you're saying is, when you put yourself out there then you will get rejected ?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

If someone keeps failing at something then their not good at it and need to change strategies.

But I think what you're saying is, when you put yourself out there then you will get rejected ?

I agree rejection is part of the game but if you’re being rejected so many times that you are revolving your strategy around being rejected then something needs to be changed no offense.

 

[EyeBRollin]

But I think what you're saying is, when you put yourself out there then you will get rejected ?

I agree rejection is part of the game but if you’re being rejected so many times that you are revolving your strategy around being rejected then something needs to be changed no offense.

If your closing rate is 25% and you need to gross $X, how many more calls does it take to reach X?

Yes, I am saying take more fvcking shots. My long term data showed first date flake rate was just under 50% when I was hustling the crap out of dating apps. So I adapted; double and triple booking virtually eliminated the number of lost evenings and increased my lay count.

Men, it is a numbers game. Play it.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

If your closing rate is 25% and you need to gross $X, how many more calls does it take to reach X?

Yes, I am saying take more fvcking shots. My long term data showed first date flake rate was just under 50% when I was hustling the crap out of dating apps. So I adapted; double and triple booking virtually eliminated the number of lost evenings and increased my lay count.

Men, it is a numbers game. Play it.

It sounds like you didn’t improve anything, you’re just fluffing your numbers. I have a 20% flake rate so let’s say I have 3 dates lined up this week. Most likely, I will go on all three of my dates while you still go on one date and lose 2 prospects because they either flaked or your flaked on them.

 

[Barrister]

So while it is somewhat off topic from the OP's original question- regarding double booking (or triple booking since we are now adding that to the mix), why not do something completely different if the chick has to back out? I have plenty going on in my life where I am not so hard up for a date that I need to go on a date with a Plan B or Plan C chick if Plan A doesn't work out. Not to mention - scheduling women out farther in advance lets her know you have more going on anyway.

Lamely cancelling at the last second on women you actually have a legitimate interest in isn't raising her interest level and potentially means you miss out on your chance completely if this is a 1st or even 2nd date.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

So while it is somewhat off topic from the OP's original question- regarding double booking (or triple booking since we are now adding that to the mix), why not do something completely different if the chick has to back out? I have plenty going on in my life where I am not so hard up for a date that I need to go on a date with a Plan B or Plan C chick if Plan A doesn't work out. Not to mention - scheduling women out farther in advance lets her know you have more going on anyway.

Lamely cancelling at the last second on women you actually have a legitimate interest is isn't raising her interest level and potentially means you miss out on your chance completely if this is a 1st or even 2nd date.

Exactly, if a girl cancels on me then I can find a million of other things to do. I used to do the triple booking method because I was insecure at the time and it was always a big mess.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It sounds like you didn’t improve anything, you’re just fluffing your numbers. I have a 20% flake rate so let’s say I have 3 dates lined up this week. Most likely, I will go on all three of my dates while you still go on one date and lose 2 prospects because they either flaked or your flaked on them.

Sounds like you still don’t understand. If you have 3 dates lined up that is cool. I would have 6-9 dates lined up for those 3 days. And I would meet the 3 chicks with the highest interest level out of the pack. It is a win all the way around.

 

[EyeBRollin]

l have a 20% flake rate

Exactly, if a girl cancels on me then I can find a million of other things to do. I used to do the triple booking method because I was insecure at the time and it was always a big mess.

No offense but you are deluding yourself if you think anything we do has an affect on if a girl shows up to a first date or not. You cannot talk her into showing up. And when Chad calls the day of no amount of “game” will create a different outcome.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Sounds like you still don’t understand. If you have 3 dates lined up that is cool. I would have 6-9 dates lined up for those 3 days. And I would meet the 3 chicks with the highest interest level out of the pack. It is a win all the way around.

You’re still losing 3-6 women, I’m losing 0 and not wasting my time setting up 9 dates and dealing with women bs.

No offense but you are deluding yourself if you think anything we do has an affect on if a girl shows up to a first date or not. You cannot talk her into showing up. And when Chad calls the day of no amount of “game” will create a different outcome.

It’s actually pretty easy. Pick a location that supports you and her and just be a normal person through text eliminates flakes. If she flakes then I move on, I don’t give a fvck about Chad lol.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You’re still losing 3-6 women,

I am not losing any women. They lost me. I only dated the highest interest prospects.

I’m losing 0 and not wasting my time setting up 9 dates and dealing with women bs.

You’re wasting time getting stood up, flaked on, and dealing with lukewarm women.

It’s actually pretty easy. Pick a location that supports you and her and just be a normal person through text eliminates flakes. If she flakes then I move on, I don’t give a fvck about Chad lol.

Texting is a waste of time. It does not eliminate flakes, it kills mystery, and creates bad communication habits if the relationship progresses past a few dates.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I am not losing any women. They lost me. I only dated the highest interest prospects.



You’re wasting time getting stood up, flaked on, and dealing with lukewarm women.



Texting is a waste of time. It does not eliminate flakes, it kills mystery, and creates bad communication habits if the relationship progresses past a few dates.

Dear lawdy lol

 

[BadWatermelon]

If your closing rate is 25% and you need to gross $X, how many more calls does it take to reach X?

Yes, I am saying take more fvcking shots. My long term data showed first date flake rate was just under 50% when I was hustling the crap out of dating apps. So I adapted; double and triple booking virtually eliminated the number of lost evenings and increased my lay count.

Men, it is a numbers game. Play it.

Have you noticed a difference in flake rate with apps vs. meeting someone in person?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Have you noticed a difference in flake rate with apps vs. meeting someone in person?

Yes. It is a different kind of date. A first “date” on an app is more of a first meeting. The second date from an app is equivalent to the first date of a chick you number closed in “real life.”

The flake rate is way higher on apps. Most girls are on there for cheap validation. They don’t actually want to meet you. In person, if a chick is not interested you won’t get her phone number, she will give you the wrong phone number, or she will ignore your calls, etc etc. If you actually get around to setting a date with a chick met in person, there is a much higher chance she is interested.

 

[EyeBRollin]

its not even possible for most people to double book a dating app unless they are seriously dumpster diving.

I can see that. I should also clarify that I only double & triple booked for first “dates” from apps. It is just another way of screening. Did not do it for 2nd dates and beyond.

 

[jimwho]

I think if you say it with a playful arrogance and amused mastery it would work.

Confronting her or displaying any sort of "butt hurt" attitude, you're done.

I've messed up early in and had guys respond with playful arrogance and it worked beautifully to pull me in!

It takes talent and skill to pull it off confidently though and you have to mean it. Kind of like a IDGAF attitude, but in a playful amusing 'masterful' way.

So we have to have a playful arrogance and amused mastery, no attitude and talent and skill to pull it off confidently, and have to mean it. And IDGAF attitude, but in a playful amusing masterful way? Are you sure about that? Seems like a lot of Sissy-Mary pretending.

 

[Striker_93]

I've been with guys who were able to pull it off genuinely without it coming across as "sissy-mary" pretending. Lol

Simply put, interject humor, a bit of c0ckiness, turn the sitch around from her flaking to her chasing.

Confronting, acting butt hurt, having backups, ghosting, it comes across as insecure to me, tit for tat.

That said, if you're not all that into her, then say nothing and don't ask her again again, move on to the next.

That will sometimes reignite her attraction too.

But seriously, for me anyway, humor, c0ckiness and again a sort of playful arrogance always worked best to turn things around.

Yep, I always been good at this because I'm very cheeky and genuinely don't give a fvck lol......

If it's hard for guys to understand this then they are light years behind in time.....

 

[jimwho]

But seriously, for me anyway, humor, c0ckiness and again a sort of playful arrogance always worked best to turn things around.

I get that, don't forget you're the one that flaked. Bring wine, sandwich makings and a Top-Gun DVD.

 

[Striker_93]

Knowing what works, and doing it

Yep, I act on my basic instincts, no thinking, just pure vibes and instincts

Not giving a fvck is bread and butter when it comes to dealing with women. No exceptions.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Depends how long you have been dating her.

On a first date? Nope, just assume she isn't really interested or she thinks she has a better option. You can try to circle back in a few weeks and act like it's no big deal. Have gotten several lays in the past this way, doesn't cost much in the way of time or effort and can get good results.

The key is to be dating other women in the meantime.