Women and comfort level with culture/ race bias.

[HaleyBaron]

This is not a thread complaining about why girls do not like x race. This is a thread to explain that women not being into you right away is not the end all be all. We see things around here like choosing signals, cold approaching, waiting for the right eye catch, etc. The reality is that women are safe creatures. They will not approach things, especially if those things are unfamiliar with their environment. We will use a basic example that we all stereotype around the man zone.

The middle class girl. She can be white, asian, black, it does not matter. She will always be more comfortable with the boys or boyfriend type she had in her raising environment. The same can be said for non preppy girls. Girls are the most prejudiced of the gender. We men can **** any race as long as she matches our standards, which on the majority have a lot lower in. Girls are on the other hand will discredit any guy that does not match her comfort zone, even if he's ripped or handsome. Guys like getting women drunk not because they like dead, drunk bitches. It is because it lowers the high wall that women put up in their comfort. We all likely have ****ed many of women who were intoxicated and decided to shack it with you. You were probably not her first choice, but her being drunk definitely makes it easier to go out on a limb.

The point here is that women will not always immediately wise up to you, but you can make them. It just takes a little more patience from you. And yes, if you are from a demographic that is considered minority, things will be harder in the non minority world of hot girls. It is not their fault. These girls have been around the same dudes for a large part of their life. You are not going to get them at the drop of the hat. You will have to get them comfortable with you first. Remember, girls just need an excuse and validation for going after you. If you are not in her comfort zone, she is just looking for the one reason to say "maybe he's different from the stereotypes."

Bonus: the other reason why women dont open up much is because they are shy and also have a lot of options at their hand.

 

[devilkingx2]

the best way to overcome race issues is to:

1. Don't be the negative stereotypes for your race (small weak Asians, thirsty creepy indians, ghetto dumb thug blacks, etc.)

2. Play the numbers. Even if 95% of Chinese girls would never date a black guy, that would still mean you could approach 20 Asians to meet one of the other 5% and game her.

3. Find girls who break the mold, a white girl living in a Indian neighborhood or hanging out there probably has no problem with Indians. I once met an Asian girl who loves rap music, she also liked black guys.

4. Look on the bright side, ignore girls who won't like you and focus on the girls who will. There's attractive girls of every race, and there's gonna be girls who like your race no matter what or don't care.

 

[forcerecon01]

the best way to overcome race issues is to:

1. Don't be the negative stereotypes for your race (small weak Asians, thirsty creepy indians, ghetto dumb thug blacks, etc.)

2. Play the numbers. Even if 95% of Chinese girls would never date a black guy, that would still mean you could approach 20 Asians to meet one of the other 5% and game her.

3. Find girls who break the mold, a white girl living in a Indian neighborhood or hanging out there probably has no problem with Indians. I once met an Asian girl who loves rap music, she also liked black guys.

4. Look on the bright side, ignore girls who won't like you and focus on the girls who will. There's attractive girls of every race, and there's gonna be girls who like your race no matter what or don't care.

good information. we definitely need to break stereotypes

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I've had friends of various backgrounds before and I know what I am going to say might sound racist but seriously, hear me out and you will get my point. The issue with a lot of race whiners is that they are complaining about not getting the same results as a top tier guy of another race. When I was in high school, I had a dorky yet outgoing Asian friend. The guy was out of shape but I'll give him credit, he was a social enough guy. Problem is, he blamed racism for him not getting the same results with women as the Quarterback of our football team who was a 6'3 white guy being recruited to play college football.

I am not kidding, some objectively ugly Asian dude blamed racism for him not getting as many girls as the Quarterback getting recruited to play in college.

For a second, I though that was a one-off, but I was wrong. I have seen this so much from Asian and especially Indian guys who will be out of shape, act awkward, be uncomfortable in confrontational/tough situations, and then get mad at women for choosing a suave white or black guy with Adonis looks over them. We don't ever call it out because no one wants to be that out of touch meanie but I've seen this play out over and over and over again.

No one wants to admit but women pick white guys more on average because there are just more higher value white guys to go around than higher value guys of other races. It's going to sound racist but whites just produce more higher value guys than other races, at least in the western world. White guys are more likely to go above and beyond to improve themselves compared to other guys who just sit and wait.

You know how many Indian guys I have known that were tall, had athletic figures, and a charismatic personality? Four. Want to know what them had in common? They had more women in their lives than they knew what to do with. If anything, they did better because they were the rare exception and women acted in scarcity as a result.

Yet, lower value minorities just want someone to offer them a shoulder to cry on rather than telling them the truth.

Oh and, in before 50+ posts on "OMG I am a minority, it is impossible, please someone give me a shoulder to cry on and hear my bawwwing".

 

[forcerecon01]

I've had friends of various backgrounds before and I know what I am going to say might sound racist but seriously, hear me out and you will get my point. The issue with a lot of race whiners is that they are complaining about not getting the same results as a top tier guy of another race. When I was in high school, I had a dorky yet outgoing Asian friend. The guy was out of shape but I'll give him credit, he was a social enough guy. Problem is, he blamed racism for him not getting the same results with women as the Quarterback of our football team who was a 6'3 white guy being recruited to play college football.

I am not kidding, some objectively ugly Asian dude blamed racism for him not getting as many girls as the Quarterback getting recruited to play in college.

For a second, I though that was a one-off, but I was wrong. I have seen this so much from Asian and especially Indian guys who will be out of shape, act awkward, be uncomfortable in confrontational/tough situations, and then get mad at women for choosing a suave white or black guy with Adonis looks over them. We don't ever call it out because no one wants to be that out of touch meanie but I've seen this play out over and over and over again.

No one wants to admit but women pick white guys more on average because there are just more higher value white guys to go around than higher value guys of other races. It's going to sound racist but whites just produce more higher value guys than other races, at least in the western world. White guys are more likely to go above and beyond to improve themselves compared to other guys who just sit and wait.

You know how many Indian guys I have known that were tall, had athletic figures, and a charismatic personality? Four. Want to know what them had in common? They had more women in their lives than they knew what to do with. If anything, they did better because they were the rare exception and women acted in scarcity as a result.

Yet, lower value minorities just want someone to offer them a shoulder to cry on rather than telling them the truth.

Oh and, in before 50+ posts on "OMG I am a minority, it is impossible, please someone give me a shoulder to cry on and hear my bawwwing".

I'm an asian U.S. Marine but im not in top tier shape like when i was serving. The point is to be the best version of yourself as possible and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I'm an asian U.S. Marine but im not in top tier shape like when i was serving. The point is to be the best version of yourself as possible and let the chips fall where they may.

I don't want to come off as that out of touch either, a guy who is in better physical shape and taller will have the natural advantage in the same way that we as guys want the girl with the top tier pornstar body over an average looking girl. What I will agree on is that most guys crying about race refuse to be the best version of themselves, they just want others to acknowledge their tears like a baby crying out for mommy.

 

[forcerecon01]

I don't want to come off as that out of touch either, a guy who is in better physical shape and taller will have the natural advantage in the same way that we as guys want the girl with the top tier pornstar body over an average looking girl. What I will agree on is that most guys crying about race refuse to be the best version of themselves, they just want others to acknowledge their tears like a baby crying out for mommy.

So simply said I also want to make a note that "attraction isn't a choice". Women don't make a conscious choice who they are attracted to.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

So simply said I also want to make a note that "attraction isn't a choice". Women don't make a conscious choice who they are attracted to.

Yes and no really, men can impact their results with women a lot, it's what status and social circle game is for.

 

[forcerecon01]

Yes and no really, men can impact their results with women a lot, it's what status and social circle game is for.

yep and thats why I don't buy the "racism card "when men can improve so much regardless of race

 

[Snag87]

A Chad has more options than a Tyrone or Chang. Same way a 6'1" guy has more options than a 5'6" guy if all other variables are held constant.

That said, no excuse for whining or complacency.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

A Chad has more options than a Tyrone or Chang. Same way a 6'1" guy has more options than a 5'6" guy if all other variables are held constant.

That said, no excuse for whining or complacency.

I love these sorts of low brow replies from guys who claim to admit a reality but then cover their a$$ with a textbook motivational post. These are the same guys who will preach about self-improvement but deep down inside be miserable and just as weak as an incel making a million excuses.

Now in before whiney race discussion where guys aggressively cling to age old dating studies.

 

[Snag87]

I love these sorts of low brow replies from guys who claim to admit a reality but then cover their a$$ with a textbook motivational post. These are the same guys who will preach about self-improvement but deep down inside be miserable and just as weak as an incel making a million excuses.

Now in before whiney race discussion where guys aggressively cling to age old dating studies.

Huh?? Do you dispute my statement?

 

[devilkingx2]

No one wants to admit but women pick white guys more on average because there are just more higher value white guys to go around than higher value guys of other races. It's going to sound racist but whites just produce more higher value guys than other races, at least in the western world. White guys are more likely to go above and beyond to improve themselves compared to other guys who just sit and wait.

I agree with this, white people are more likely to be tall and have money.

Athletic or artistically talented black/Hispanic guys also have a great advantage too. As well as Asians who live up to the money and status stereotypes.

 

[forcerecon01]

I agree with this, white people are more likely to be tall and have money.

Athletic or artistically talented black guys also have a great advantage too. As well as Asians who live up to the money and status stereotypes.

asians have all the great food lol.

 

[Bokanovsky]

the best way to overcome race issues is to:

1. Don't be the negative stereotypes for your race (small weak Asians, thirsty creepy indians, ghetto dumb thug blacks, etc.)

2. Play the numbers. Even if 95% of Chinese girls would never date a black guy, that would still mean you could approach 20 Asians to meet one of the other 5% and game her.

3. Find girls who break the mold, a white girl living in a Indian neighborhood or hanging out there probably has no problem with Indians. I once met an Asian girl who loves rap music, she also liked black guys.

4. Look on the bright side, ignore girls who won't like you and focus on the girls who will. There's attractive girls of every race, and there's gonna be girls who like your race no matter what or don't care.

5. Don't be obsessed with dating women of a different race. If you hate women of your own race, there is something wrong with you.

 

[derringerG]

I love these sorts of low brow replies from guys who claim to admit a reality but then cover their a$$ with a textbook motivational post. These are the same guys who will preach about self-improvement but deep down inside be miserable and just as weak as an incel making a million excuses.

Now in before whiney race discussion where guys aggressively cling to age old dating studies.

Anyone with common sense will at least attempt to point to IRL experiences and broader survey results COULD be even more informative still. Having said that, I'm no longer comfortable quoting or relying on dating studies at this point.

The dating landscape is changing so rapidly it's almost irrelevant to do so.

 

[forcerecon01]

Anyone with common sense will at least attempt to point to IRL experiences and broader survey results COULD be even more informative still. Having said that, I'm no longer comfortable quoting or relying on dating studies at this point.

The dating landscape is changing so rapidly it's almost irrelevant to do so.

how is the dating landscape changing so fast?

 

[Serenity]

It's going to sound racist but whites just produce more higher value guys than other races, at least in the western world. White guys are more likely to go above and beyond to improve themselves compared to other guys who just sit and wait.

I don't think the desire or effort to improve oneself is the difference here. The average black guy and the average white guy can have the same drive and put in the same effort, but one of them will get less in return for it. That's demotivating which in turn increases the likelihood of falling even further behind.

Many parts of society is racist, not necessarily extremely or overtly, but enough for a noticable disadvantage. It's preference, not hate, but many opportunities that depend on someone else's decision will be lost if one is less preferred.

Had it just been women it would be one thing, but living as a minority anywhere is a disadvantage because of being generally less preferred.

I bet white guys who sit and wait even gets more opportunities than others, although still not many.

I don't think any other race is any lazier, it's that the majority disadvantages them and I do think your view on this is racist.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I've had friends of various backgrounds before and I know what I am going to say might sound racist but seriously, hear me out and you will get my point. The issue with a lot of race whiners is that they are complaining about not getting the same results as a top tier guy of another race. When I was in high school, I had a dorky yet outgoing Asian friend. The guy was out of shape but I'll give him credit, he was a social enough guy. Problem is, he blamed racism for him not getting the same results with women as the Quarterback of our football team who was a 6'3 white guy being recruited to play college football.

I am not kidding, some objectively ugly Asian dude blamed racism for him not getting as many girls as the Quarterback getting recruited to play in college.

For a second, I though that was a one-off, but I was wrong. I have seen this so much from Asian and especially Indian guys who will be out of shape, act awkward, be uncomfortable in confrontational/tough situations, and then get mad at women for choosing a suave white or black guy with Adonis looks over them. We don't ever call it out because no one wants to be that out of touch meanie but I've seen this play out over and over and over again.

No one wants to admit but women pick white guys more on average because there are just more higher value white guys to go around than higher value guys of other races. It's going to sound racist but whites just produce more higher value guys than other races, at least in the western world. White guys are more likely to go above and beyond to improve themselves compared to other guys who just sit and wait.

You know how many Indian guys I have known that were tall, had athletic figures, and a charismatic personality? Four. Want to know what them had in common? They had more women in their lives than they knew what to do with. If anything, they did better because they were the rare exception and women acted in scarcity as a result.

Yet, lower value minorities just want someone to offer them a shoulder to cry on rather than telling them the truth.

Oh and, in before 50+ posts on "OMG I am a minority, it is impossible, please someone give me a shoulder to cry on and hear my bawwwing".

My issue was it just seemed like NPC race of male put way less effort than me to get a girl. I’m not white, but I will never sympathize with white male incels because I believe they suffer from mental health issues and that they are inherently lazy. I make six figs, have a six-pack, and consider myself good-looking, but I know for a fact I would lose to a lesser quality guy of another race 9 times out of ten in the dating field because I'm black lol. I stopped caring about it though and have other things to worry about now in my life lol.

I don’t have any sympathy for Asians either because they have never been as hated by society as much as blacks. I remember back in my college frat days, the fraternities that wouldn’t allow blacks or certain Hispanics in at least had a few Asians in them already. The Asians I see bvtching about women are the nerdy ones that follow the stereotype lol.

Now I get it, blacks are worshipped in the media, I see blacks with girls, etc. If you aren’t playing sports or a thug/deplorable that a white sjw can use as a bat then you’re going to struggle the most lol. In addition, Unpopular Opinion..I rarely see black men with a woman of another race that I find attractive. I usually see them picking up the trash from the White, Hispanic, or Asian communities lol.

 

[Snag87]

I don't think the desire or effort to improve oneself is the difference here. The average black guy and the average white guy can have the same drive and put in the same effort, but one of them will get less in return for it. That's demotivating which in turn increases the likelihood of falling even further behind.

Many parts of society is racist, not necessarily extremely or overtly, but enough for a noticable disadvantage. It's preference, not hate, but many opportunities that depend on someone else's decision will be lost if one is less preferred.

Had it just been women it would be one thing, but living as a minority anywhere is a disadvantage because of being generally less preferred.

I bet white guys who sit and wait even gets more opportunities than others, although still not many.

I don't think any other race is any lazier, it's that the majority disadvantages them and I do think your view on this is racist.

It's human nature. It's always difficult for privileged groups to admit their privilege. It's much more soothing to believe your privileged position is the result of hard work, not simply being born into x group.