Before Red Pill, did you think you were the only one?

[The Duke]

I quickly realized I needed to improve my skills to get what I wanted. I've never been one to compare myself to others. The more skills I had in my arsenal, the better women I got. Along the way I also began to see the true nature of women.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Yeah, this is where I am now, and I noticed my results are poor.

Granted, I'm not this way looking for results. I'm genuinely frustrated and tired of all this sh1t and don't want to participate in "the game" right now. Maybe in a few years. I caught this girl staring at me as I walked into the gym and I just looked straight ahead; when I looked at her, all I could think of was, "this is a headache I'm not interested in dealing with right now."

I see women as opponents and people who want to ruin me. It's something I'm currently working through now.

Ensure you are on your own path , be independent and have low expectations ( of people in general) you won't go far wrong in life

Women are a pain in the fvcking a$$ but ONLY when you want or expect something from them

 

[MatureDJ]

Before finding the RP, at the very core of my being I thought that most men could get a woman and that there was literally some kind of "cosmic law" at work where most women were repulsed by me. I figured I was a collection of flaws which made the whole package undesirable.

I’m asking out of curiosity, what was your experience in this regard? Did you think that it was just you who had a problem with women you couldn’t identify, or you aware that most men were experiencing the same thing?

No, I have had a lot of friends & acquaintances that seemed to hardly ever have a girlfriend. I used to ascribe it to the bad demographics of Generation X and the onslaught of the fat chick. Whatever the case, before then, after dating a pair of plates in the early '90s and hearing how both of them (27 & 24 at the time) had already turned down marriage proposals 3 times , I got an inkling that the dating scene was not as it should be.

 

[typical]

I was your textbook "Natural". Got laid at 14 and didn't look back till I was 19. Played numerous sports was decently built due to rowing rugby and kickboxing.
At 19 just before my 20th birthday in 2004 I had a massive brain fart and developed Oneitis for this one girl. I started to lurk on the forums and got a decent wakeup call. Still I ignored nearly everything and had the overly arrogant idea in my head that I knew better and that my "Disney" story would come true.

Wasn't until the end of 2005 that I met this Indian bloke at University .................... this motherfu(ker could charm ANY woman and sleep with them. He was this scrawny guy at 5'8 but man did he have a smooth attitude and way about himself. No accent and came across as a super classy guy for being only 25. Once we had a real conversation about pickup game and seduction and I still said his ideas were rubbish, he explained to me that guys who are naturally good with girls normally fail in life due to their peak being Highschool and first few years of University as they have access to cars parties and normally are easy on the eye, but no clue about life and seduction.

From 2006 till 2010 he mentored me in so many things and his ideas were very close to Pook and Rollo's. Wasn't untill 2012 when I was 28 that I completely understood what "game" and "redpill" actually meant.

 

[Mike32ct]

I can relate to the “cosmic law” piece. For a long time, it did feel like the “universe” was against me dating.

Even with RP/game and/or BP/looks theories, a guy might never know for sure the exact reason he is struggling. But it does give you enough insights so that you can shore up weaknesses (that are reasonably fixable) and improve your odds. And that’s the best we can hope to do.

 

[lgbs2004]

Girls send major hints and signals and I just couldn't make a move. Some girls liked me but I never asked them out and slipped into "friendzone" for lack of a better term. Girls TOLD me they liked me and I was too incredulous to capitalize. I'd say it was lack of confidence

been there done that

 

[IKO69]

I knew a lot of men had problems to a degree. I saw it and this was largely pre-social media days (I was a teen in the 90s), so there was no apps to meet women on: you had to go out there. In regards to my own situation I assumed it was because of x,y,z but then invariably I would see guys who fit this profile and were successful. What do I mean by this? I mean at times I would think maybe it's because of looks, maybe it's because lack of money and so kn; then I'd see ugly broke dudes with girls, sometimes hot one's. I knew deep down I was my own worst enemy but I kept pushing it aside until one day I reevaluated myself and took on a new attitude of self respect and esteem. Then things changed for me.

 

[Am Shaegar]

Did you think that it was just you who had a problem with women you couldn’t identify, or you aware that most men were experiencing the same thing?

No, because I somehow found fortune in misery. When I was 8 my parents divorced and through that chaos I became a shut in for a time, watching a lot of TV. At one point the kid shows became boring and I consumed a massive amount of documentaries abut science, culture, art and history. I developed a love for knowledge and while this knowledge lead me down the wrong path in my early teenager years(after all the source and framing of the knowledge was poisoned) I stumbled about some historical facts that let me see through the bull**** in the end.

Interesting for you should be, that we are not the first generation of men that have these problems. I stumbled upon it when I saw the picture "Der Hagestolz" by German painter Carl Spitzweg and began to wonder what a "Hagestolz" is. Directly translated into English a "Hagestolz" is a confirmed bachelor, but there is more to the name. A Hagestolz was originally the second born sons of German farmers, who because of the law of inheritence at that time didn't inherit a piece of land and were forced into poverity. Without inheritence, they had no marriage prospects, nobody wanted them and they were forced living in little shacks on the farm, becoming the slaves of their older siblings. These little shacks were usually surrounded by hegdes so you can't see them. The word "Hage-stolz" directly means "hedge proud".

Things changed when the industrialisation came to Germany, the Hagestolze could leave the farm and become successful workers in the growing German cities, however once they became successful the Hagestolze didn't marry and that caused German society in the 19th century to panic and a lot of art(like the paintin by Spitzweg) and written articles were created to disparage them. For the Hagestolz however marriage was a bad deal, nobody wanted them when they were poor and only now that they entered middle class did women take an interest in them. If a Hagestolz neeeded somebody to clean and cook, they could hire a maid. If a Hagestolz needed sex they could find a prostitute, even if it was illigal and frowned upon in Germany at that time. Also if they desired an heir, they easily could adopt an orphan or sire a bastard and get the custody for the child. Not only that, but middle class families at that time were expected to have servants. The women of a middle class household wouldn't work, their job was it to command the servants of the house. So a Hagestolz would gain nothing from marriage, but he would be bound to a women who is a gold digger in the truest meaning of the word and lives on his cost.

This inspired me, if the Hagestolze could lead an awesome and good live in the wake of the industrialisation regardless of the pressure society put on them so could I in the wake of the digitalisation. Still, it took some more years until I found the red pill.

 

[typical]

This is so true. Not 100%, but it happens. I know a guy like you, handsome, got laid at 13/14 and was a natural. Partied a lot. But he never figured "life" out. It can be very easy to slip into complacency if these things come easy. Not every guy does it of course. You're lucky your buddy helped you, that's very cool.

Man I will always be grateful for his advice and guidance and the numerous members of this forum. I remember reading many years ago that "No one is teaching our young boys how to grow into Men" and that post (I don't remember by whom) really struck home. We put so much emphasis on "getting women" that so many fail at "getting life". I could have ended up in a bum job chasing after some girl I fantasied about for many years and maybe finally having my "Disney" moment with her, but all these years later I'm doing well for myself and I wouldn't even go near any woman remotely like her with that sort of closed minded outlook on life and no desire for personal growth and wellbeing.

 

[SW15]

No, I have had a lot of friends & acquaintances that seemed to hardly ever have a girlfriend. I used to ascribe it to the bad demographics of Generation X and the onslaught of the fat chick. Whatever the case, before then, after dating a pair of plates in the early '90s and hearing how both of them (27 & 24 at the time) had already turned down marriage proposals 3 times , I got an inkling that the dating scene was not as it should be.

Shiit, Generation X had a healthier mating marketplace than the Millennials did in their 20s.

 

[logicallefty]

Before red pill, NO, I never thought it was just me... I saw most men being blue pill betas like me, and a much smaller number doing red pill things and getting all the puzzzz. But I was so propagandized that I had myself convinced, for a while, that "Even though they are being jerks to women and getting mud for their ducks, they are in the wrong, and I need to be 'nice' to women and one will come along". I was bad beta, really bad...

 

[eli77]

It was late 90 s for me different time now.didnt start dating till 18 and was glad.Very different time the 90 for sure.

 

[MatureDJ]

Shiit, Generation X had a healthier mating marketplace than the Millennials did in their 20s.

Yes, but demographically, Millennial men *should* have done better. I haven't seen a decent dating market in the USA since the early '90s.

 

[SW15]

Yes, but demographically, Millennial men *should* have done better. I haven't seen a decent dating market in the USA since the early '90s.

I can buy that argument. 2003-2006 was better in the USA for dating than 2015-present.

 

[eli77]

I can buy that argument. 2003-2006 was better in the USA for dating than 2015-present.

elaborate

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I was blue pilled (though I knew looks really mattered). My ex- basically dumped me when I let my looks decline. That woke me up. I’m probably more Black pilled than Red. Though, I think the truth is somewhere between. Ultimately, After about 6 months, I got my looks back. (Mostly through losing weight. And de-slobbing myself). Now she wants me back. Even in my bestial state, I still moged most of my friends, so they weren’t much help.