Everyone around me is getting married

[BadBoy89]

How do you guys answer the question "when are you getting married" from relatives and friends?

"As soon as you introduce me to a fertile virgin who wants to get pregnant quick, will not drain my finances, will not put me down, will not nag, will not emotionally abuse, will not compare me to others, will not withhold sex, will not ask half my money in a divorce, will not use the system to her benefit, will not make herself the victim, and will not hold a divorce party with her best friends."

 

[BadBoy89]

Correction:
Marriage was a fantastic idea - 30-50 years ago.

Today the high stakes for any guy is not worth the investment. Hostile family courts, #metoo and the whole feminazi environment, low quality women who feel entitled to the men's resources and that the whole world owes them everything, they come with an at least +100 body count, in 75 of all cases women break up and over 60% of all marriages are ended in divorce with a year two. Men risk losing most of their wealth, access to their children and paying money to person which they have no relationship too for 20-30 years, (alimony etc. etc.) and being in bed with the government.

Why would any sane person accept these terms?

+1 Good post.

I have friends in the Middle East where it’s allegedly conservative, one friend after 3 years, his wife asked for divorce and everything she is entitled to. They are in Court everyday. The Middle East!

Yet what should a man do if wants to have at least one child? Yes you don’t have to be married to have a child, but what if the woman says “no marriage, no kid.”

 

[corrector]

How do you cope with this fact, especially for the older Players here? I'm in my mid 20s but already relatives and aquatainces are getting married. So the question always comes back to me "when are you getting married". I'm from a more traditional background and want to get married to have kids but of course with modern marriage laws it's not the best idea.

How do you guys answer the question "when are you getting married" from relatives and friends?

I've got married in 2014 and divorced. People don't bother you after you get divorced.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

How do you cope with this fact, especially for the older Players here? I'm in my mid 20s but already relatives and aquatainces are getting married. So the question always comes back to me "when are you getting married". I'm from a more traditional background and want to get married to have kids but of course with modern marriage laws it's not the best idea.

How do you guys answer the question "when are you getting married" from relatives and friends?

You're in Australia, right?

"When the government stops trying to take away everyone's future" would be my response. Marriage requires a degree of certainty and currently we live in an uncertain world.

 

[Meatman]

How do you cope with this fact, especially for the older Players here? I'm in my mid 20s but already relatives and aquatainces are getting married. So the question always comes back to me "when are you getting married". I'm from a more traditional background and want to get married to have kids but of course with modern marriage laws it's not the best idea.

How do you guys answer the question "when are you getting married" from relatives and friends?

Before I mairied would always give the same answer, "I only plan on marrying once so I'm taking my time in choosing". Marriage laws are ****ed but if you want to have kids it's necessary if you want your children to have the best chance at a good life. Never settle when it comes to marriage no matter what pressure you have from friends and family.

 

[mjb3617]

A lot of the people I knew who got married in their mid to late 20s are divorced already.

I was very close to proposing to an ex once, but played it smart and suggested we should move in together. (Yes I was BP at the time)

About a week later, she made a few comments alluding to how I wasn't a priority any longer and I dumped her on the spot.

 

[Bokanovsky]

How do you guys answer the question "when are you getting married" from relatives and friends?

“When you successfully lobby the government to pass alimony reform.”

 

[Bokanovsky]

Since I want kids, I have little choice.

Yes, you have a choice. You don’t have to get married to have kids. More and more people are living in common law relationships, which is why marriage is a dying institution. You just have to grow a pair and explain this to your girl.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Marriage is a fantastic idea. IF you pick the right partner. If you do NOT pick the right partner you are screwed.

How many times have you been divorced?

 

[BeExcellent]

Lets bring up this old letter to a gold digging entitled chick posted by some J.P. Morgan trader guy long time ago as response to her complaining about why not any high value guy would marry her/how she could find one as a reminder why its all a losing case to marry (most girls) for a guy:

@BeExcellent
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A young and pretty lady posted this on a popular forum:

Title: What should I do to marry a rich guy?

I’m going to be honest of what I’m going to say here. I’m 25 this year. I’m very pretty, have style and good taste. I wish to marry a guy with $500k annual salary or above. You might say that I’m greedy, but an annual salary of $1M is considered only as middle class in New York. My requirement is not high. Is there anyone in this forum who has an income of $500k annual salary? Are you all married?

I wanted to ask:

What should I do to marry rich persons like you? Among those I’ve dated, the richest is $250k annual income, and it seems that this is my upper limit. If someone is going to move into high cost residential area on the west of New York CityGarden(?), $250k annual income is not enough.

I’m here humbly to ask a few questions:

• Where do most rich bachelors hang out? (Please list down the names and addresses of bars, restaurant, gym)
• Which age group should I target?
• Why most wives of the riches is only average-looking? I’ve met a few girls who doesn’t have looks and are not interesting, but they are able to marry rich guys.
• How do you decide who can be your wife, and who can only be your girlfriend? (My target now is to get married)

Ms. Pretty

Awesome reply:

Dear Ms. Pretty,

I have read your post with great interest. Guess there are lots of girls out there who have similar questions like yours.

Please allow me to analyse your situation as a professional investor. My annual income is more than $500k, which meets your requirement, so I hope everyone believes that I’m not wasting time here.

From the standpoint of a business person, it is a bad decision to marry you. The answer is very simple, so let me explain. Put the details aside, what you’re trying to do is an exchange of “beauty” and “money”: Person A provides beauty, and Person B pays for it, fair and square.

However, there’s a deadly problem here, your beauty will fade, but my money will not be gone without any good reason. The fact is, my income might increase from year to year, but you can’t be prettier year after year. Hence from the viewpoint of economics, I am an appreciation asset, and you are a depreciation asset. It’s not just normal depreciation, but exponential depreciation. If that is your only asset, your value will be much worried 10 years later. By the terms we use in Wall Street, every trading has a position, dating with you is also a “trading position”. If the trade value dropped we will sell it and it is not a good idea to keep it for long term – same goes with the marriage that you wanted. It might be cruel to say this, but in order to make a wiser decision any assets with great depreciation value will be sold or “leased”.

Anyone with over $500k annual income is not a fool; we would only date you, but will not marry you. I would advice that you forget looking for any clues to marry a rich guy. And by the way, you could make yourself to become a rich person with $500k annual income.

This has better chance than finding a rich fool.

Hope this reply helps. If you are interested in “leasing” services, do contact me…

signed,

J.P. Morgan

Delighted that you posted that. It illustrates my point beautifully. In the letter JP Morgan notes how her value steadily declines…exponentially declines if ALL she has to offer is beauty.

She laments that rich people are married to less beautiful women & finds this perplexing.

That is because it never dawned on her that those women BRING SOMETHING ELSE besides beauty to the table. That something could be a prestigious family connection, wealth in her own right, business acumen, a kind spirit, a talent for entertaining & social acumen, wit, stimulating companionship, an able partner and whatever else that isn’t based on physical attributes.

Again. Character should be prized by a marriage minded man. This letter ought to demonstrate that rather well.

As someone who is a millionaire as determined by net worth (a baby millionaire but nonetheless) I agree strongly with the investment analogy. Looks as a stand alone are not enough. Looks included as part of a package that includes some or all of the traits I noted? Well that is a very different animal with much higher value.

Read the last half of proverbs 31 about the Noble Wife. That is what wise men have aspired to for millennia. This is not a new problem gentlemen. Not a new problem at all.

Cheers

 

[BeExcellent]

How many times have you been divorced?

Once.

Not sure I would marry again. I know I can…but I’m done with childbearing and I have assets myself that I worked hard for years to amass and manage on my own that I seek to protect. Those assets are what will fund my retirement and become my children’s inheritance.

I relate to the concern about the financial risks in marriage. Any sensible high net worth individual is going to be cognizant of those risks.

 

[manfrombelow]

The peer pressure of getting married and have kids, while being a universal experience for virtually everyone, is especially common in third-world countries, where people are more prone to herd mentality.

I know this, because I come from a third-world background myself.

When people ask this kind of question, they don't really truly "care" about your well-being as a person, but more like they want to satisfy their inquisitive and nosy nature, especially if they themselves or their family members have already been in a marriage, because then they (or their family members) would seem to be doing "better" than a single dude like you.

Because, again, in third-world sh!tholes, the notion of having a family and children (no matter the true quality) is almost equivalent to having a "successful life". Weird? I know.

So, over years of falling victim to such questions, nowadays my automatic response would be:

Them: "So manfrombelow, when are you getting married? / Why haven't you got married?"

Me: "I have no ideas / I don't know / Still no plans."

And then I'd excuse myself and get out of there.

 

[Willie Naylor]

Lets bring up this old letter to a gold digging entitled chick posted by some J.P. Morgan trader guy long time ago as response to her complaining about why not any high value guy would marry her/how she could find one as a reminder why its all a losing case to marry (most girls) for a guy:

@BeExcellent
----------------



A young and pretty lady posted this on a popular forum:

Title: What should I do to marry a rich guy?

I’m going to be honest of what I’m going to say here. I’m 25 this year. I’m very pretty, have style and good taste. I wish to marry a guy with $500k annual salary or above. You might say that I’m greedy, but an annual salary of $1M is considered only as middle class in New York. My requirement is not high. Is there anyone in this forum who has an income of $500k annual salary? Are you all married?

I wanted to ask:

What should I do to marry rich persons like you? Among those I’ve dated, the richest is $250k annual income, and it seems that this is my upper limit. If someone is going to move into high cost residential area on the west of New York CityGarden(?), $250k annual income is not enough.

I’m here humbly to ask a few questions:

• Where do most rich bachelors hang out? (Please list down the names and addresses of bars, restaurant, gym)
• Which age group should I target?
• Why most wives of the riches is only average-looking? I’ve met a few girls who doesn’t have looks and are not interesting, but they are able to marry rich guys.
• How do you decide who can be your wife, and who can only be your girlfriend? (My target now is to get married)

Ms. Pretty

Awesome reply:

Dear Ms. Pretty,

I have read your post with great interest. Guess there are lots of girls out there who have similar questions like yours.

Please allow me to analyse your situation as a professional investor. My annual income is more than $500k, which meets your requirement, so I hope everyone believes that I’m not wasting time here.

From the standpoint of a business person, it is a bad decision to marry you. The answer is very simple, so let me explain. Put the details aside, what you’re trying to do is an exchange of “beauty” and “money”: Person A provides beauty, and Person B pays for it, fair and square.

However, there’s a deadly problem here, your beauty will fade, but my money will not be gone without any good reason. The fact is, my income might increase from year to year, but you can’t be prettier year after year. Hence from the viewpoint of economics, I am an appreciation asset, and you are a depreciation asset. It’s not just normal depreciation, but exponential depreciation. If that is your only asset, your value will be much worried 10 years later. By the terms we use in Wall Street, every trading has a position, dating with you is also a “trading position”. If the trade value dropped we will sell it and it is not a good idea to keep it for long term – same goes with the marriage that you wanted. It might be cruel to say this, but in order to make a wiser decision any assets with great depreciation value will be sold or “leased”.

Anyone with over $500k annual income is not a fool; we would only date you, but will not marry you. I would advice that you forget looking for any clues to marry a rich guy. And by the way, you could make yourself to become a rich person with $500k annual income.

This has better chance than finding a rich fool.

Hope this reply helps. If you are interested in “leasing” services, do contact me…

signed,

J.P. Morgan

Where is this letter from?

 

[Grounded eagle]

How do you cope with this fact, especially for the older Players here? I'm in my mid 20s but already relatives and aquatainces are getting married. So the question always comes back to me "when are you getting married". I'm from a more traditional background and want to get married to have kids but of course with modern marriage laws it's not the best idea.

How do you guys answer the question "when are you getting married" from relatives and friends?

“When I want.”

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Where is this letter from?

It was posted on a internet forum in the late 90´'ties but I cannot remember what the forum was called.
But it has become quite famous and stood it's test of time as a real proof and truth about relationships and why marriage is a lost case for most guys.

Hybergamy knows no shame and women has always felt entitled not just now but also back then.. and this letter proves it well too.

 

[Zimbabwe]

It was posted on a internet forum in the late 90´'ties but I cannot remember what the forum was called.
But it has become quite famous and stood it's test of time as a real proof and truth about relationships and why marriage is a lost case for most guys.

Hybergamy knows no shame and women has always felt entitled not just now but also back then.. and this letter proves it well too.

I looked at old forum posts from 20 years ago and they all complain about the same stuff, yet people now claim it was easier before but in reality it seems like its the same.

 

[SW15]

I looked at old forum posts from 20 years ago and they all complain about the same stuff, yet people now claim it was easier before but in reality it seems like its the same.

A Question for the Older Players Here

I was a bar/night game guy up until my late 20s, which is when I transitioned more to non-bar venues for approaching. One of my bigger game regrets in life was not taking day game seriously until my late 20s. I think I would have experienced less trauma had I been more of a day game guy from...

www.sosuave.net

20 years ago was 2001. I'm not sure when this forum began, but I can cover 1998-2004 pretty well, as I was 15-21 then. I would say I really started dating at 16 in 1999 when I obtained my driver's license and had more freedom, though at 15 in 1998, I was getting interested in women.

People complained about the same stuff in 1998-2004 because many of the same items that were realities in 1998-2004 are realities today. 1998-2004 was not a great time in the mating environment. I would argue 1998-2004 was better than 2015-2021 but it is relative.

I have read parts of "The Book of Pook" and the parts I've read have held up well over time.

The technology has changed a lot since 1998-2004. 1998-2001 was an earlier era of online dating. I remember hearing a radio segment somewhere in 2000 or 2001 while driving to high school about how online dating was now mainstream and participating in it was no longer stigmatized/a sign you were a loser. Match launched in 1995. I think tech assisted dating was always a sausage fest but I don't think women were really getting their inboxes flooded by men until some point in the mid-2000s.

2004 was when MySpace and Facebook launched. In the early days of Facebook (2004 and 2005), male college students were using it toNo creep on female college students.

Earbud wearing has gotten a lot worse since then. The first iPod launched in October 2001 and eventually gave way to the iPhone in July 2007. Text messaging was a big nothing from 1998-2004.

Getting your dicck wet in 1998-2004 was a challenge for sure. You had to be suave and have game then. However, it took comparatively less game in 1998-2004 to get laid as it would take in 2015-2021.

If you want to tie everything I just wrote back to the original subject of weddings and people getting married, marriage rates were higher in that era for numerous reasons. However, plenty of people have gotten married from 2015-2021. The majority of my local friends from my primary social group have gotten married in that time. Most people are in a relationship at any given point in time. I would argue that weddings themselves have gotten less useful for single and unattached men in 2015-2021 as compared to 1998-2004. With more people getting married later in life, fewer weddings have single and unattached women attending. Weddings are not as fruitful of a place for meeting women as they were decades ago.

"Wedding Crashers" Would Never Happen in Real Life

The 2005 movie "Wedding Crashers" could never happen at weddings in from 2010-present. In fact, I would say that it was far fetched and detached from reality even in 2005. The main reason that "Wedding Crashers" could never happen 2010-present is that people get married much later in life now...

www.sosuave.net

 

[AureliusMaximus]

I looked at old forum posts from 20 years ago and they all complain about the same stuff, yet people now claim it was easier before but in reality it seems like its the same.

Lol its ironic isn't it?

The game stays the same, but only the players are changed out for new ones and so it will to the end of times...

 

[RickTheToad]

Yes, you have a choice. You don’t have to get married to have kids. More and more people are living in common law relationships, which is why marriage is a dying institution. You just have to grow a pair and explain this to your girl.

Not for most here in CT. @BeExcellent is correct in not only looking for looks, but character and personality are needed to all be used to vet a female for an LTR or marriage. The quality is so low these days. I am sure the flip can be said for many dudes who stay at home, no job, no ambitions aside from the latest video game and newest porn videos.

 

[RickTheToad]

Once.

Not sure I would marry again. I know I can…but I’m done with childbearing and I have assets myself that I worked hard for years to amass and manage on my own that I seek to protect. Those assets are what will fund my retirement and become my children’s inheritance.

I relate to the concern about the financial risks in marriage. Any sensible high net worth individual is going to be cognizant of those risks.

You can always do what I did. Transfer all business holdings and assets into a IRT and then have an iron-clad prenup. I know this worked as I did prior. However, I will add to the pre-nup each person is responsible for their own medical and legal premiums and costs in the case of a divorce or legal separation. I got dinged on the last since she was on my insurance. It sucks that one has to think this way. I've found the the one with lesser or no assets doesn't understand the risks. Still up in the air on marriage. I feel that I will be basically forced into it if I want a family. Reminds me of jail...