Find a woman who is a 6-7 in objective looks but a 9-10 to you in subjective looks

[Willie Naylor]

all men should gossip and attention seek,

it will be the downfall of men that we have no herd mentality or gossip.

You do you.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Most of what guys consider an 8 is not actually an 8….

Drop 2 points off the claimed SMV. Most likely to be accurate.

 

[B80]

it is important, it totally changes how the woman behaves if she has an hyperinflated sense of worth.

This is proven in the UK, a bum mom gets a very nice 2 bedroom house by the state for free.

a mildly accomplished dad can just about afford a mortgage for a 2-3 bedroom house.

so lets say she comes round your house she wont think your anything special. and she will behave wishy washy

even though shes a bum

I partly agree, but living off welfare doesn;t allow for a decent standard of living in general. The quality of the house/area will be low in the main, although I notice new development areas have to supply a % of the homes/flats to welfare people. So you get nice new estates, with 4 bed places selling for £600k, with the person across the road getting a cheaper, smaller version for next to nothing from the council.

 

[B80]

Most of what guys consider an 8 is not actually an 8….

Drop 2 points off the claimed SMV. Most likely to be accurate.

Yeah most '8's' you see on nights out will look exceptionally ordinary the next day with a hangover and no makeup on.

I know looks are subjective to a degree, but a true 8 will be hot to the vast majority of men. Not someone who's plastered themselves in makeup, spent loads on their hair and who's relatively slim.

Some of the 8's and 'hot' women I;ve seen posted on here are no where near an 8 imo.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I guess we all find something something about a woman that will boost her looks up by a few points, even if she is not the most beautiful.

This usually has to do with hobbies or qualities that hold value to you (E.g, a girl that also likes WWE, drinking imported beer, ice skating,....I can go on and on)

Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Are you talking about looks or shared interests? Those are two different things. I don't know about you, but a girl can have the most interesting hobbies and be an amazing person but that won't make my d!ck any harder. Don't get me wrong, those things ARE important in a long-term relationship but you still have to have physical chemistry. And that's just not possible, for me at least, if I don't find her sufficiently attractive.

Another problem with dating a girl who is significantly lower than you on the looks scale is that you will grow to resent her for it over time. Not intentionally, of course, but you will. You will be embarrassed to be seen in public with her. And you will always have to suppress the feeling that you can do better. You will be tempted to cheat and will probably watch porn. That's just human nature. Your subconscious mind wants you to optimize your reproductive success by finding the best genetic material you can "afford". Suppressing your natural instincts and rationalizing suboptimal outcomes is not a recipe for long-term happiness.

IMO, the best combination is where the male and the female are roughly comparable on the looks scale (or where the female is a little higher but not too much) but the male makes more money/has higher social status.

 

[zinc4]

This is the key. You don't want a 8+ in looks and constantly have to look over your shoulder.

I guess we all find something something about a woman that will boost her looks up by a few points, even if she is not the most beautiful.

This usually has to do with hobbies or qualities that hold value to you (E.g, a girl that also likes WWE, drinking imported beer, ice skating,....I can go on and on)

In church today (Catholic mass), the cantor (person who leads the singing) was just a normal looking woman (probably in her early to mid 30's) but her voice was so amazing, she was very proper and just seemed like a beautiful soul. Her objective looks are like a 6.5, but she is a 9 to me

I get you completely man. A woman's voice and the way she acts is extremely important to me. She can be a 9 physically but if her voice is rough sounding and if she acts rough or not the least but innocent/pure...well forget about it. A woman who sounds and is virtuous is extremely attractive in general.

 

[derby1]

You do you.

I partly agree, but living off welfare doesn;t allow for a decent standard of living in general. The quality of the house/area will be low in the main, although I notice new development areas have to supply a % of the homes/flats to welfare people. So you get nice new estates, with 4 bed places selling for £600k, with the person across the road getting a cheaper, smaller version for next to nothing from the council.

exactly, my point being though I earn 35k, so my lifestyle really isnt loads better than a single mom who has a few side cash hustles,

I can probably afford a few extra starbucks a week, and my M3.

its not like Ive got a 4 bedroom house with a 2020 dodge ram on the drive.

I remember about 10 years ago, my g/f at the time got a better car, and her whole aura changed...women are hypergamic as F*ck

 

[Willie Naylor]

exactly, my point being though I earn 35k, so my lifestyle really isnt loads better than a single mom who has a few side cash hustles,

I can probably afford a few extra starbucks a week, and my M3.

its not like Ive got a 4 bedroom house with a 2020 dodge ram on the drive.

I remember about 10 years ago, my g/f at the time got a better car, and her whole aura changed...women are hypergamic as F*ck

That's debatable.

You complain an awful lot about material things. And you b!tch about women quite a bit.

Not a good combo.

 

[B80]

exactly, my point being though I earn 35k, so my lifestyle really isnt loads better than a single mom who has a few side cash hustles,

I can probably afford a few extra starbucks a week, and my M3.

its not like Ive got a 4 bedroom house with a 2020 dodge ram on the drive.

I remember about 10 years ago, my g/f at the time got a better car, and her whole aura changed...women are hypergamic as F*ck

nice car btw - awesome pieces of machinery, but not cheap to run though lol. what version do you have? e9x v8 or f80? I have the f80 and putting in £70 a week in fuel, which is fine as I don;t expect cheap running costs with a car like this. More expensive to buy/run than an equivalent aged Dodge Ram, looking at US prices as they seem pretty niche in the UK - so maybe cost more due to that. M3 F80's were around 65-70k £ new, but understand you could get discounts at right time. The new M3 G80 is listed as £75k, but again can probably get a bit off that.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Why not just go for what turns you on? Seriously guys you get in an LTR with a chic who is 2 points uglier then you you will end up not happy.
Sex wise dont bang anything below your 6. You will hate yourself

Bottom line:

Most men will never qualify for HB7+. You don’t get a choice to have a hot broad unless you are a top tier lad yourself.

 

[B80]

Why not just go for what turns you on? Seriously guys you get in an LTR with a chic who is 2 points uglier then you you will end up not happy.
Sex wise dont bang anything below your 6. You will hate yourself

I have good experience of this. Met and settled for my now ex wife. She came along at a certain point in my life where I valued the stability/security of apparently dating someone below my smv. Inside was kind of embarrassed at first, but she improved physically as time went on. Issue for me was being a bit lax about things and after the honeymoon phase sex felt like a bit of choir and sex became less and less frequent. My own fault really as was too laid back about things, and due to a multitude of reasons such as her following me into a gym/healthy lifestyle, her earning more and climbing career ladder, me becoming more distant through working on a sideline every evening in addition to our day jobs, she eventually had enough and moved on.

Every step of the way I was seriously questioning if I wanted to be with her long term, as although I loved her, I rarely found her super physically attractive. Being the good 'blue pill' soldier, I just went with the flow.

I was always respectful and complimented her, but I guess she wanted more than being 'friends' with someone and to a degree can;t blame her. Wish I had found this site sooner!

So although settling down with someone with lower smv is a good idea in many ways, there are potential pitfalls. But as most men on this site are more aware of relationship dynamics, I guess they're less likely to let it get to the point I did. Just need to be aware its not a panacea or certainty by any means, but being informed will certainly help.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Bottom line:

Most men will never qualify for HB7+. You don’t get a choice to have a hot broad unless you are a top tier lad yourself.

That's likely true. But if you are on this forum, presumably you are tying to improve yourself to a point where you are better than most men.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I think everyones 7+ is different. So go for what you want. Rejection or not

What you want doesn’t determine success. The woman’s interest level does. Modern dating has extreme unrealistic expectations.

 

[Willie Naylor]

That's likely true. But if you are on this forum, presumably you are tying to improve yourself to a point where you are better than most men.

I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Dude you are completely wrong on that. Dont blame the market we have just adjust your game and just go for what you want that makes you feel the best at the end of the day. Thats the hard truth. Inner game + embrace rejection and it becomes easier.
Not putting our self worth in the game we play.
If you subscribe to the idea of leagues you already lost the game. No frame.

Not referring to frame. The average guy picks up this forum and some red pill literature, thinks that is the secret sauce to start bagging dimes. In reality he is just wasting time.

Men have to understand the game is we pick targets out of our pool of interested women. They choose us based on SMV. “Frame” and “game” doesn’t land the HBs.

 

[derby1]

That's debatable.

You complain an awful lot about material things. And you b!tch about women quite a bit.

Not a good combo.

Im not a slave to ***** so i couldnt give a f*ck what i complain about,

You call it jaded, I call it experience.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Like I said if you subscribe to the idea of leagues you are already unattractive.
Im just going to leave that right here.

“Leagues” are fact of life. It is called assortative mating. An average looking, average earning male will not bag an HB8+, especially if she is from a different social class. To suggest otherwise is simply lying.

 

[Fruitbat]

it is important, it totally changes how the woman behaves if she has an hyperinflated sense of worth.

This is proven in the UK, a bum mom gets a very nice 2 bedroom house by the state for free.

a mildly accomplished dad can just about afford a mortgage for a 2-3 bedroom house.

so lets say she comes round your house she wont think your anything special. and she will behave wishy washy

even though shes a bum

a bum mum doesn’t get a very nice house for free in U.K.

She gets council accommodation which is the lowest rung. There may be examples of anomalies but usually a working family can afford a lot better than a crap social housing estate

 

[EyeBRollin]

Trust your natural attraction tastes. A guys life style and confidence can land him a chic whos +2

This is the lie. “Punching above your weight” requires the income and status, which means your SMV is already higher to begin with (women don’t weight as heavily into looks). “Game” doesn’t land HB8+. That’s my PSA to the newcomers. All game does is maximize the closing rate for chicks that you qualify for.

 

[EyeBRollin]

BS
Ive done it my whole life dude.
You realize that top 8-10 RP content providers ( The true coaches) including greats from this forum say otherwise.
But I guess you are the real godfather of the sphere.
Frame is everything and if your ugly. Have game.

No, they don’t say that. The #1 determinant is the female interest level.

What a man lacks in aesthetics, he must overperform in status and income. “Game” doesn’t get women to sleep with you; she was either going to do it anyway or she never will. This stuff is baked in off rip.