Alpha Male strategies Doesn't know what his talking about

[Harry Wilmington IDS]

I think it used to work back in the days when women didn't have that many options. Nowadays if you wait 4-5 days you will be replaced by another guy, or 2 or 3.... This "be busy or unavailable" doesn't work anymore, they don't like to wait. Wait a day or 2 ok, but a week or 2, I don't think it's a good idea. It's like calling out their BS, they don't want to deal with that, they prefer to find a new guy since it's so easy. My opinion.

Funny enough, I've been hearing men say the whole "nowadays if you wait 4-5 days you will be replaced by another guy" thing since I started dating at 15 (and I'm 39 now). Yet in my experience it's never been true for women who are highly interested in you. For me, I already know when I take a woman out I'm going to be much better than 97% of other men she's dated based off the fact that I know the experiences most women have on dates and I'm usually doing the opposite of most dudes. In short, I know going in that I'm the prize; therefore, whether I wait 4 to 5 days or 2 weeks, it doesn't matter because we both know I'm the best she's going to find out there. When a woman feels as though you are the best she'll find, she won't care if she has to wait longer to be able to get you, so long as she's able to get you. And they WILL wait. At least that's been my experience

 

[characternote]

But there is always an element of truth. And the truth here is that everything starts with if the woman is attracted to you. If she isn't attracted to you you are wasting your time.

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Although i'd say this has been the biggest shift in the community over the years.

If you said that back in mystery's day, you'd be laughed at. If you said that in RooshV forum (BEFORE he eventually came to the same conclusion and admitted it himself!) you'd be called a 'game denier' and banned from his forum lol

It's all about her attraction. She basically decides where you are in that equation before you've finished your opener. If it's a 'no!' then no verbal gymnastics and 'advanced game' with pushpull and NLP adn negs and self asmusement etc et c are gonna do a damn thing lol. That's why we've seen just about every famous PUA being exposed to eitehr 1/be using actresses for infield 2/using hookers 3/playing EXTREME numbers game with fancy editing to show them getting the occasional result with girls on a similar level to them aswell as a hell of a lot of bad rejections.

Game is there to help you not screw up the attraction. Not create it out of thin air

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I think it used to work back in the days when women didn't have that many options. Nowadays if you wait 4-5 days you will be replaced by another guy, or 2 or 3.... This "be busy or unavailable" doesn't work anymore, they don't like to wait. Wait a day or 2 ok, but a week or 2, I don't think it's a good idea. It's like calling out their BS, they don't want to deal with that, they prefer to find a new guy since it's so easy. My opinion.

No, you are feeding into their advantage... This underlying threat of her exercising other options is there and she is going to exercise those options regardless of what you do, the reason she threatens the other options is to manipulate you but truthfully she is going to anyways.

This is not abundance, this is a scarcity mindset, abundance means this is on my terms, if she wants her terms there are guys that will give her that.

Yeah, there are women who say they will never pursue a man or chase a man, that is nonsense and is used to fuel the scarcity mindsets out there... Deny her reality and implement your own, approach when you want, if it's too late, there are others.

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

Calling her too soon has nothing to do with the options that you perceive she has, it's because you are searching for validation that she's still interested in you. If the girl was a 6, you'd probably wait a week, maybe two. Maybe you wouldn't even call her again. If she was that repulsive, you probably didn't even make a move on her to begin with it. Guess what? That behavior only increases a woman's interest in you. Now if the girl was a 9, people say it wouldn't work and you'd fall in the friendzone. You know why? Because they want instant verification that the hot woman likes them, so they make a move right away to find out. It's needy. It's based out of insecurity. They're not confident enough to play it cool, make the woman's mind wonder where HIS interest level is, which is what creates more attraction.

You have to get a woman's emotions invested FIRST. So many guys don't understand this. Making a move on her right away, and trying to get physical doesn't spark attraction. I'm going to repeat that:

Making a move on her right away, and trying to get physical doesn't spark attraction.

I think this advice largely stems from dating coaches with an agenda trying to sell you something. One thing I can tell you, is that less is ALWAYS more with women. But that advice doesn't sell. Telling you to get closer, rub her arm, go for the kiss close, all sound good in theory... but it communicates too much interest too quickly, and will scare most women off. These coaches HAVE to tell you to take action, so you feel you're getting value out of what they're trying to sell you. They further reinforce this by telling you lack of action will land you in the friendzone, which is not true. Like the one poster said, coming off too strong is what's going to land you in the friendzone. Think about it. How many women have said "He's mysterious, didn't make a move so I wasn't sure if he was interested, wasn't all over me like every other guy. There's something different about him. So I'm going to friendzone him."

Said no woman ever.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Funny enough, I've been hearing men say the whole "nowadays if you wait 4-5 days you will be replaced by another guy" thing since I started dating at 15 (and I'm 39 now). Yet in my experience it's never been true for women who are highly interested in you. For me, I already know when I take a woman out I'm going to be much better than 97% of other men she's dated based off the fact that I know the experiences most women have on dates and I'm usually doing the opposite of most dudes. In short, I know going in that I'm the prize; therefore, whether I wait 4 to 5 days or 2 weeks, it doesn't matter because we both know I'm the best she's going to find out there. When a woman feels as though you are the best she'll find, she won't care if she has to wait longer to be able to get you, so long as she's able to get you. And they WILL wait. At least that's been my experience

It's flawed logic, A woman with High IL is going to want to see you no matter what you do. You could text all day about your feelings and she would still want to see you. You can go out with a Christian and tell her you worship Satan in your spare time and she would still be willing to see you again. I've told my feminist ex girlfriends that I don't believe women should be allowed to vote, that didn't stop them from dating me (no matter how much they disagreed with me).

If she has very low interest, you can do everything "right" and have the perfect game but she would still ghost you right after the date anyways.

What I like about AMS is that he advocates men to do self improvement so they increase their SMV to get more options. That's something that's been proven to work, you still need some game to maintain attraction during the relationship though.