Covid 19 Vaccine

[corrector]

I'm against the vac too. This is not really a vaccine in the traditional sense as the anti-bodies disappear in approx. 3 - 6 months (hence a booster is needed), you still get the virus and can still spread the virus; which is not what vaccine should do. One takes a vaccine such as MMR, they are now immune to MMR. This is not the case with COVID. If it makes a person feel better to take it, sure take it, but it's no where near guaranteed effective. In addition, for some, the long lasting side effects can be worse than the virus the vaccine in terms to protect you from. Lastly, these vaccines were made in haste in a matter of months. No peer review and questionable results.

I'm tested near daily before entering the ER. 16 months +, no infection. Stop listening to hype and the media. Start listening to scientists and facts. Up your vitamin D 5000MG and Zinc 30MG 2 along with 1000MG of Vitamin C and you should be in decent shape. However, this is what I do and is NOT construed in any way, shape or form as medical advice.

You work in the hospital right? Someone like you should know first hand the extent of side effects from the jab. Are you spooked off the jab based on what you are seeing in your clinic?

 

[Black Widow Void]

1. "it's just for two weeks to flatten the curve."
You believed them.
2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.
3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.
4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.
5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

They will continue moving the goalpost as long as you continue to obey.

 

[Fruitbat]

Well, one is supposed to get a tetanus shot after certain infections, lesions and bites. The tetanus shot, since it covers a variety of different causes usually requires 3 doses for complete immunity. Additionally, a tetanus infection is due to a bacteria, not a virus. Completely different animal dude.

I get a letter from my GP every ten years to get booster shots. This covers (I think) tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough.
It’s not connected to anything I’ve done. I had it at about 12 months, I think another when I was a small child (not 100% on that one) but I most certainly had it at about 15, 25 and 35.

they send me a letter and ask me to come in for a booster.

I’m just saying when you said that the Covid jab isn’t like other jabs where you’re “done in one shot” that isn’t true of a lot of vaccines.

ive personally had measles mumps and scarletina (which I think is what they call rubella) so I’ve never had that vaccine anyway. That’s how ancient I am.

the MMR jab was FIERCELY opposed in U.K. as they said it caused autism. What’s your call on this? As far as I can see, that was the same nonsense as we see now. Nearly all kids get the MMR jab.

 

[zekko]

1. "it's just for two weeks to flatten the curve."
You believed them.
2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.
3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.
4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.
5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

They will continue moving the goalpost as long as you continue to obey.

You make several good points and I agree with them to a point. I think we should have erred on the side of freedom instead of safety. That way of thinking seems to be becoming more and more obsolete, and may well be gone in a generation or two. And I believe we should have focused more on the elderly and others who were more vulnerable rather than shutting everything down. However, I do not believe Covid is a hoax (misrepresented, sure), and I am an advocate of vaccines, so I got this one. And I do not appreciate being compared to a tagged cow.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You make several good points and I agree with them to a point. I think we should have erred on the side of freedom instead of safety. That way of thinking seems to be becoming more and more obsolete, and may well be gone in a generation or two. And I believe we should have focused more on the elderly and others who were more vulnerable rather than shutting everything down. However, I do not believe Covid is a hoax (misrepresented, sure), and I am an advocate of vaccines, so I got this one. And I do not appreciate being compared to a tagged cow.

There is no more "more vulnerable". Everybody is vulnerable now with Delta. That silliness was over long ago. Thinking you are young and healthy and have nothing to worry about is the epitome of arrogance at this point and is not backed by any real world data.

96% of people in Florida's record hospitalization surge are unvaccinated...but yeah...the vaccine doesn't work right? That percentage or higher is pretty much standard in every area of the country right now that is having huge surges in cases...with doctors repeatedly talking about people begging for the vaccine as their final words before being intubated.

Smart people learn from other's mistakes. Seems like there are a lot of people who are bound and determined to make the same mistakes in some asinine "rally cry" about freedom.

Newsflash. Your personal freedoms are not guaranteed during national emergencies let alone global ones. Never have been and never will be. Just ask the American citizens of Japanese descent during WW II or the alleged "communists" during the Cold War. Individual freedoms do not and never will take precedent over the safety of a population group as a whole, nor should anybody in their right mind expect them to.

If you cannot understand that basic point then I am not sure what else to say to you.

Half of Florida COVID-19 hospitalizations under 55; 96% unvaccinated

The number of people hospitalized in Florida because of COVID-19 continued at a record pace Monday, and half of them were ages 25-55.

www.fox13news.com

 

[Fruitbat]

You believed them.

You think the Government are like an all knowing God and they know the future. They don’t. That was their on the hoof policy. A bit like the First World War they said “it will be all over by Christmas. That’s what they believed or hoped. It is in no way “proof” of a pre planned strategy, unless you believe the government have been behind the pandemic, which you have zero evidence for and merely circumstantial evidence which can easily be explained, as I’ve just done so above.

2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.

Masks do not stop you getting covid. Masks don’t fully stop others getting Covid.
masks stop massive amounts of airborne particles from diffusing due to projectile sneezing and coughing, often experienced with a new infection. This has been put in place because out of millions of people, some will not give a tom tit about having symptoms and it’s a crude measure to stop them spreading. Nobody ever said it was a panacea. It has limited effectiveness.

3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.

nobody said that, I can’t ever remember seeing that anywhere. That’s what you’ve wanted to hear. Vaccines stop you getting hospitalised and putting pressure on ICU. I don’t know how many times I need to explain this but here goes: a very small amount of people need help to breathe or they will die. Most of these people are old or infirm. However, as this virus spreads rapidly, the scale of infectious means we don’t have enough doctors or beds to cope. Then you end up with people lying around in corridors of hospitals drowning in their own sputum and unable to breathe. This could be magnified due to the numbers involved so that could be 300 people in your local hospital dead on the floor. Imagine how that would float with voters.

4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.

Again, nobody ever said that, at least, that was not the official narrative.

5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.

Statistically proven. You may think the stats are bogus. If so, please provide your own
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

I don’t know where you are but I haven’t needed to socially isolated or wear a mask for a good while. If cases rise, back it comes. Again, they don’t have a crystal ball.

Most of your post are just making the same 2 points about masks and vaccines.

as for “you will comply”, it’s not compulsory here, it’s voluntary.

Now, this has been pounced upon by a lot of people - businesses included, to their advantage.

The virus is real, the potential overloading of ICU is real, the vaccines are an attempt to mitigate that.

otherwise you’re essentially saying the same thing as David Icke who also thinks Masonic lizards control the world

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You believed them.

You think the Government are like an all knowing God and they know the future. They don’t. That was their on the hoof policy. A bit like the First World War they said “it will be all over by Christmas. That’s what they believed or hoped. It is in no way “proof” of a pre planned strategy, unless you believe the government have been behind the pandemic, which you have zero evidence for and merely circumstantial evidence which can easily be explained, as I’ve just done so above.

2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.

Masks do not stop you getting covid. Masks don’t fully stop others getting Covid.
masks stop massive amounts of airborne particles from diffusing due to projectile sneezing and coughing, often experienced with a new infection. This has been put in place because out of millions of people, some will not give a tom tit about having symptoms and it’s a crude measure to stop them spreading. Nobody ever said it was a panacea. It has limited effectiveness.

3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.

nobody said that, I can’t ever remember seeing that anywhere. That’s what you’ve wanted to hear. Vaccines stop you getting hospitalised and putting pressure on ICU. I don’t know how many times I need to explain this but here goes: a very small amount of people need help to breathe or they will die. Most of these people are old or infirm. However, as this virus spreads rapidly, the scale of infectious means we don’t have enough doctors or beds to cope. Then you end up with people lying around in corridors of hospitals drowning in their own sputum and unable to breathe. This could be magnified due to the numbers involved so that could be 300 people in your local hospital dead on the floor. Imagine how that would float with voters.

4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.

Again, nobody ever said that, at least, that was not the official narrative.

5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.

Statistically proven. You may think the stats are bogus. If so, please provide your own
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

I don’t know where you are but I haven’t needed to socially isolated or wear a mask for a good while. If cases rise, back it comes. Again, they don’t have a crystal ball.

Most of your post are just making the same 2 points about masks and vaccines.

as for “you will comply”, it’s not compulsory here, it’s voluntary.

Now, this has been pounced upon by a lot of people - businesses included, to their advantage.

The virus is real, the potential overloading of ICU is real, the vaccines are an attempt to mitigate that.

otherwise you’re essentially saying the same thing as David Icke who also thinks Masonic lizards control the world

People also fail to realize how many other people needlessly died from things like cancer, heart issues or even not being able to get surgeries that were deemed elective but actually were important to have done due to COVID overwhelming hospitals for months at a time.

Forget the COVID deaths for a minute, the number of people who died because they couldn't receive treatment due to COVID patients taking up the majority of the hospitals beds and focus is pretty huge as well.

COVID has had a significantly negative cascading effect on every other health problem needing treatment.

 

[Bingo-Player]

There is something very wrong about all of this....... the duration to which its been dragged out , the way governments have acted , the lies , the hysteria , the OTT and enforcement of ridiculous rules the divide and conquer tactics

All of it is bizarre i don't see how any logical / critical thinker would be able to say otherwise

Not disputing there's been a virus

Was it released on purpose - Quite possibly

Has it been blown out of all proportion ? - absolutely

Has it caused mass social division ? - absolutely

Is there an ulterior motive going on ? - no doubt something is going on but time will reveal the full extent of what this pandemic has actually been used for

 

[BackInTheGame78]

There is something very wrong about all of this....... the duration to which its been dragged out , the way governments have acted , the lies , the hysteria , the OTT and enforcement of ridiculous rules the divide and conquer tactics

All of it is bizarre i don't see how any logical / critical thinker would be able to say otherwise

Not disputing there's been a virus

Was it released on purpose - Quite possibly

Has it been blown out of all proportion ? - absolutely

Has it caused mass social division ? - absolutely

Is there an ulterior motive going on ? - no doubt something is going on but time will reveal the full extent of what this pandemic has actually been used for

Yeah...the hysteria of hospitals having no beds has been really blown out of proportion

 

[Billtx49]

Ok

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Yes, there are always drugs recalled after being in use a number of years as the results of those drugs become better known.
Unfortunately that action happens in the future. We don’t live there yet and I prefer to not be afraid of the future.

 

[corrector]

Still, it's hard to deny what Black Widow posted.

1. "it's just for two weeks to flatten the curve."
You believed them.
2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.
3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.
4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.
5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

They will continue moving the goalpost as long as you continue to obey.

Or if you get really sick dont call the hospital because they cant help you. They are turning back people because all the beds are full like in India. Is that better to comply with? Compliance to prevent complying with that.

 

[Glassguy]

This thread is a conversation about a serious health issue, try to treat it that way.

Covid is the 7th leading killer in the US right now. Are we talking about 1-6? No.

99% survival rate. Nearly all deaths deal with people who had know or underlying severe health issues.

Yeah, sounds pretty serious.

 

[Mike32ct]

Covid is the 7th leading killer in the US right now. Are we talking about 1-6? No.

The other 6 probably aren’t contagious. You can’t “catch” cancer or heart disease or car accident injuries from another person.

 

[Glassguy]

This about this-

why does the left want people to show their vax cards to go do anything, but cry like the babies they are when someone wants to require an ID to vote?

Delta Variant= lets have more cheating and voting by mail so the left doesnt get destroyed in the mid terms next year, because based on all of their approval ratings, things are going to be shaken up in the Senate and the House.

People are tired of this shyte and its only been 7 months.

 

[Glassguy]

Umm sure there is...99.8% of people in the hospital with COVID currently in the US are unvaccinated.

And what are you talking about? It most assuredly is tracked. In NYS you had to register on a website before getting vaccinated. How do you think all these places know what their vaccination rate is?

I can promise you that it is not tracked in the midwest states.

And I wouldnt live in NY for a second. Thanks to the Sexual Predator Cuomo and De Blasio, they have turned it into a shythole. No wonder people are leaving NY by the hundreds of thousands and as quick as they can get out of there.

 

[Glassguy]

@billtx49

why was my recent post on here deleted? Did it touch a nerve? It broke ZERO forum rules.

Please explain.

 

[stovepipe]

From Wikipedia:
Joseph Michael Mercola (/mərˈkoʊlə/;[1] born July 8, 1954) is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business person. He markets dietary supplements and medical devices,[2]some of which are controversial. On his website, Mercola and colleagues advocate a number of unproven alternative health notions including homeopathy and opposition to vaccination. These positions have faced persistent criticism.

Try to provide qualified medical professionals, not a snake oil and diet pill salesman…
This thread is a conversation about a serious health issue, try to treat it that way.

I posted that Dr. as a psychological experiment to see if the sheeple will focus their energy on finding a reason to discredit the Dr, or see the real reason why I posted it. You sir failed the test and go home with an F. The real test was seeing how our 1st Amendment is being destroyed. We are at the point where if it doesn't fit the enemies narrative they want it censored. They are not hiding the extreme measures for censoring either.

In order to control a population you must control the flow of information in order to manipulate the minds of those who consume it.

There are medical professionals all over the world that cannot speak due to fear of being censored, banned, threaten to have their license revoked, threaten with legal action or scared for their life. Same way they censored then banned the inventor of the Mrna on top of the many that have been posted here. They even went as far as rewriting history in Wiki by removing his name as the inventor. Their mind control works so well you can see how no one seems to care about the real problems.

See how they have you focusing on the wrong things, while not seeing and or simply ignoring all the things they're doing to destroy this country? They went from "my body my choice", to "not your body, not your choice, now "we know where you live". Recognize your enemy.

A dictatorship means muzzles all round and consequently stultification. Science can flourish only in an atmosphere of free speech.

Albert Einstein

Psychologically what happens is once someone becomes convinced of something no matter what facts become available, they will not change their opinion because they will have to admit they are wrong and it will be a blow to their ego. So they will go to great lengths, even comical sometimes, to avoid having to admit they are wrong, even tho logically they know they are.

This is what 95% of the people against the vaccine/COVID facts are about.

You pulled that 95% out your butthole. Mr. Intelligent himself has to constantly remind members in each thread if you don't follow the narrative and take the shot you're not smart like him. In fact you deserve to win a Darwin award for not submitting to Satan.

Are the medical professionals in this thread not intelligent for telling you masks don't work, or they wouldn't take the shot even if you paid them millions of dollars? Are you man enough to admit to them you're wrong?

 

[Billtx49]

@billtx49

why was my recent post on here deleted? Did it touch a nerve? It broke ZERO forum rules.

Please explain.

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Read it.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I can promise you that it is not tracked in the midwest states.

And I wouldnt live in NY for a second. Thanks to the Sexual Predator Cuomo and De Blasio, they have turned it into a shythole. No wonder people are leaving NY by the hundreds of thousands and as quick as they can get out of there.

I'm not leaving, I think where I live is pretty amazing and I've lived in quite a few places around the country.

Not surprising about the Midwest states, they are the ones at the center of the unvaccinated outbreak.

 

[Glassguy]

I'm not leaving, I think where I live is pretty amazing and I've lived in quite a few places around the country.

Not surprising about the Midwest states, they are the ones at the center of the unvaccinated outbreak.

I used to love NYC. Lived in that area 20 years ago. Wouldnt go back now.

And if you look at where the outbreaks are at, they are in bordering areas of the southern border as well as places in the midwest where these illegals are being transported to and never heard from again.

It all adds up if you just look at the process and a map.