Who are women actually dating and how do they find them?

[AttackFormation]

I get hit on by gay men when I take my 12 year old daughter to Birmingham, there is china town there, and right by it is Gay village, we sometimes have a glass of pop in the bars there.

The gay guys are a real good laugh, we ply each other up,they have my daughter in hysterics.

In there eyes im like a GOD (bald 6 foot 2)

its a shame women dont approach in the same manner instead of us having to figure sh*t out

I visited my mom some weeks ago and on the way home walking through a forest, this gay guy comes along and wants to suck my d1ck.... im the same height as you and also have a short cut. I remember you posted a pic of you and your daughter.. she seemed to have gotten someone's good genes as far as i could see haha. You know mate, that's the only thing i miss from the girl i was with last summer... meeting her sister's kids. Such a couple of joys, whereas i couldnt wait to stop being with the girl herself. It must be good to have a daughter.

Hell im not even asking to be approached, and women will say they are even too cowardly to send a first message online. Just eye contact so i can smile and initiate would be enough, a slight smile before i smile would be a bonus. However that never happens, they avoid eye contact if they think you can see it, and always pretend like they werent looking at you and you arent there.

But seemingly you are not supposed to expect women to do the least thing anyway, despite them being "empowered", "strong" and "independent". And more than that you are supposed to mind read whether their signs of disinterest are a so called "shyt test" or not, while at the same time feminists campaign that "no means no". Mate, i cant stand the bullshyt. And here's the thing: the more we coddle women like little children, not expecting them to put in any effort or accountability whatsoever at any point, the worse this will become. By picking up the slack we might be improving our atomistic chances in the short run but the culture as a whole would only continue to get worse from it.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

The swipe apps are designed for you to fail. These apps prey on lonely men. The app wants you to fail so it can upsell you to a paying membership. "Paying members get seen by more women" is their whole business model. The apps. purposely shadow ban non-paying members. This is why guys can swipe for weeks straight with no matches. The women you're swiping on dont even see your profile if youre not a paying member.

If there is enough interest I will start a thread on how these algorithms really work.

 

[AttackFormation]

The swipe apps are designed for you to fail. These apps prey on lonely men. The app wants you to fail so it can upsell you to a paying membership. "Paying members get seen by more women" is their whole business model. The apps. purposely shadow ban non-paying members. This is why guys can swipe for weeks straight with no matches. The women you're swiping on dont even see your profile if youre not a paying member.

If there is enough interest I will start a thread on how these algorithms really work.

Sure, but paying doesnt seem to make a difference either. The free premium trial i received runs out tomorrow and hasnt gotten me jackshyt. OLD is just a desert mirage no matter whether you pay. Of course that doesnt contradict what you said, as they simply want you to keep paying anyway.

 

[Velasco]

Horrible advice on not smiling. Google "James Franco smiling" or Nick Robinson smiling (who stole it from Franco). It makes you likeable. Likeable is the first step towards manipulating someone.

Edit: from R.B Sparkman's The Art of Manipulation (1976)

Manipulating a person’s thinking

We can only be persuaded by those we like and respect. The first question you should ask yourself when you start a manipulation should be "Does this person like me?" rather than "What should I say?”

We just shot the breeze and socialized. We talked about his job, his family and kids-things that would never help me sell him a car in a hundred years. I quit giving sales pitches on cars. I just befriended people, put human nature on my side, and incidentally sold them a car.

By focusing on befriending your quarry rather than dazzling him with your logic, you save yourself from arguments and failure. Sell yourself before you sell your ideas.

 

[Velasco]

less better-looking guy holding a rifle and smirking, or sitting on a motorbike

To girls who like that guys looks, yes. The girls who don't, will think he's trying too hard.

 

[Velasco]

It's much easier for a guy to improve his physical appearance - hitting the gym, eating healthier, dressing nicer -than for him to learn game

Again I will point to forum member @sangheilios. He and many others like him, already do these things yet don't get girls. More mindset than the outer things you mention

 

[Who Dares Win]

Most women past a certain age are fvcked up in the head, wheter from emotional baggage, failed relationships, alpha widowed or pumped&dumped too much...they still cant get that a mans criteria for sex are much lower than women and that men have double standards for quick lays and relationships unlike them.

Asking who those women are dating is like asking who the basement nerds are banging, some are simply unable to fit in the market.

The rat utopia type degeneration of our society is expediting the process.

 

[oc16]

I'm of the opinion that most women (who are not perma-single) meet guys through friends, and usually the guy is one of their many orbiters in that social circle. The girl may dream of an alpha/celebrity/athlete, but gladly accept one of her orbiters.

The attitude you have right now (at a breaking point) is surely not good for meeting women. Women/dating is not worth getting depressed, you have to solve that first in some way.

I agree with you that attractive women usually end up with guys in their social circle even if the guy is average at best looking and/or an orbiter. I wonder if alot of it has to do with a level of trust? You can be a great looking guy but you are most likely NOT going to meet a girl who is relationship material at a bar/club, supermarket or basically anywhere where you are a complete stranger.

I think good places are gyms (mostly classes), volunteer organizations, your social circle, classes and work. What do these things have in common?

When a particular woman sees you over and over it builds comfort and trust , which builds attraction.

I know it's frustrating. I think I'm a 7 or 7.5 in the looks department and look good for 44 especially when so many guys my age are fat.

 

[oc16]

Women don't respect or trust nice guys because they view it as weak. Velasco takes a manipulation strategy, misunderstands it, and gives bluepill advice.

Women like and respect confident, loveable as$holes. It's just the way it is. I didn't design women.

James Franco, if you remove the Fame (which gives a huge automatic boost to his desireability), is not a nice guy. He's extremely narcissistic and self absorbed.

Not a fan of him, not even a good actor.

 

[Velasco]

He was good in Sonny (2002). Anyways Friday night. Good luck to anyone else going out.

Pan, I was you maybe 3-4 years ago. I made this same comment to lorderra (?). I know you ok. With more experience you will reach my level of understanding of all this sht and see all the silliness of your comments (I was the same arrogant know it all, so I sympathize) good luck to you as well.

 

[dasein]

holding a rifle and smirking, or sitting on a motorbike.

Young men reading, do NOT put firearms in your OLD pics unless it's on a gun fan site or similar. Same effect as smoking a cigarette on OLD pics. Don't do it.

As far as smiling goes using OLD? If you are lowish body fat, have an above average masculine face, jaw, chin, hairline, cheekbones, eyes, dimples, facial hair, etc., beam away in one picture. If you are slender, have feminine or more boyish facial features, grin or smirk instead. It's relative and not absolute. I and friends have done it either way depending on baseline looks.

In person, if you have a good smile, use it only for validation when she initiates or escalates touching OR makes it obviously easier and inviting for you to touch her. Otherwise smirk, grin or narrow eyes. If you can do a more "deranged" Joker smile, use it as validation only when she laughs with you and leans or moves closer to you. I do lots of winking with a Mona Lisa smile when negging, but I'm old. No idea whether people wink any more generally, still works for me.

But no guns in OLD pics, please! Well unless you have a totally maxed out SMV... but then you wouldn't be reading this thread or even know of the existence of this forum, would you.

 

[Velasco]

1:45 - 1:55 is the classic Franco smile. Very effective

 

[dasein]

Your advice: My Advice:

Maybe wear a Trump hat in the pictures with firearms too? You should stop while you are behind.

A few things for men to NEVER put in OLD pictures:
Beer Can Pyramids
Unframed Posters on walls, ****ty art generally, ****ty furniture (most guys have ****ty furniture when younger, even when they think it's "nice")
Video game rig or Xbox components, anything juvenile anywhere
Sports Team Jerseys, decorations unless you play on the team
Firearms or ANY weapons other than maybe a recurve bow
Tobacco
Political stuff
Hot women or any women unless they are obviously upper middle class or higher
Drunkenness or partying pictures unless at upper middle class or higher events
More than one Buddy, and that one should be about even with you in looks and doesn't look much like you.
Babies
Taxidermies
More than one picture of you with a billed hat on.
More than one picture of a pickup truck
Pictures of Country Music stars, concerts, etc.
Pro Wrestling Pictures, shows, etc.
MMA or martial arts unless you are the one fighting
Anime or other cringey nerd-bait
Fishing gear/boats other than fly fishing or deep sea

That should give the gist.

 

[B80]

Not good.

If you're doing heavy weight, you'll look like you're trying to squeeze one out.

put fake foam 20k plates on instead?

 

[zinc4]

I used to do a tonne of cold approaching. Up to 50 to 100 a day sometimes. Unless you are just super good looking and maybe ripped or really tall...most will end up with just empty numbers that go nowhere. Not always ofcourse but yeah....be prepared to get rejected a lot or some number where she never replies.

Also watchout for jealous boyfriends. Can be easy to get into an altercation. Often times women will look like they are alone and then the boyfriend comes up out of nowhere.

 

[dasein]

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Thanks for the fallacious, inaccurate personal insults and shaming attempts in that ramble. In poker we call those "tells." Will resist posting the barely fired 80s 7MM RMag BAR I bought for $400 a couple weeks ago or my truck.

Maybe consider that doubling down on bad arguments and shaming-type fallacies will hamper your success with women and generally. Arguing like a woman will rarely get you any women.

 

[SW15]

I used to do a tonne of cold approaching. Up to 50 to 100 a day sometimes. Unless you are just super good looking and maybe ripped or really tall...most will end up with just empty numbers that go nowhere. Not always ofcourse but yeah....be prepared to get rejected a lot or some number where she never replies.

Also watchout for jealous boyfriends. Can be easy to get into an altercation. Often times women will look like they are alone and then the boyfriend comes up out of nowhere.

I'm impressed you did that much cold approaching. When I would go out and do cold approaches during the day on weekends, I might get in 3 in 2 hours. I did try to use sniper game and pick my spots. I'm not tall (5'10") and not ripped (normal BMI). I found cold approaching to be a tough road to follow but it's still better than being an app swiper.

I never had the jealous boyfriend issue during the day. I had it once at night with some weak beta trying to do mate guarding on me. I bet that thing failed fast.

 

[zinc4]

I'm impressed you did that much cold approaching. When I would go out and do cold approaches during the day on weekends, I might get in 3 in 2 hours. I did try to use sniper game and pick my spots. I'm not tall (5'10") and not ripped (normal BMI). I found cold approaching to be a tough road to follow but it's still better than being an app swiper.

I never had the jealous boyfriend issue during the day. I had it once at night with some weak beta trying to do mate guarding on me. I bet that thing failed fast.

Me and my brother used to be like machines man. The best thing about daytime cold approaching is it greatly enhances your nightlife game.

If you are approaching like a machine in the day time then at nightime in bars or clubs especially with some drinks involved you could give a **** less and are going after every decent looking woman you see. Even if you dont ever pull in the daytime you def will at nighttime if you are into that just because you will be immune to rejection there and numbers will always be on your side.

If you have a good wingman ill tell you a good and very fun exercise in the day time for cold approach and its very simple.

Flip a coin. The loser goes first. Any girl you point put with who is not with a man he has to go approach her immediately. Doesnt matter if he likes the way she looms or is with her family or friends. This us about building comfort and immunity to rejection.

Then after he approaches it is his turn to point someone for you to approach. Do this in busy public places like shopping malls. Rules are you need to not just approach but number close attempt as well.

Try to point out the hottest chicks you see as well to up the intimidation factor. Do solo girls and girls in groups and work fast dont procrastinate with eachother.

The first who declines or pussies out has to buy all the drinks next time you go out.

Do this game. Its simple and actually a lot of fun and it builds a genuine detachment to rejection and or the outcome.

Bet your nightime results improve dramatically after a few days if doing this game. You might have some quality numbers as well.

 

[Hollywood4life]

Looks reign supreme.

It's much easier for a guy to improve his physical appearance - hitting the gym, eating healthier, dressing nicer -than for him to learn game.

Focus on the lower hanging fruit, which is your looks.

It's hard as heck to 'game' your way through life. It's much, much easier to develop a physical appearance that's attractive.

A guy that your average HB8 would consider a 6, can easily transform himself into a 7.5 - simply by doing the 3 things I mentioned earlier.

Ugly guys need to stop buying into the myth that solid game will get you far with beautiful girls.

My first approach EVER I got the girl to comeover(I fkked It up because I told her her lady friends could come to ,but that’s not the point

I had no style back then ,skinny fat below average looking joe, but I used some “game “ to lure her in and it worked...

you’re whole theory is shtt because I’ve seen it firsthand with my TWIN brother too who was below average at one point

it’s so easy to say looks are everything, but what about these dorky sloppy guys that have hot gfs I see almost everyday?

You can’t tell me you don’t see below average guys with hot girls all the Frkin time if you’re out and about every week ..if you don’t see them then you’re a recluse/don’t go out much

You’re still angry playing the victim like we all can do( I still do to)

 

[user252009]

These guys are the exception, not the rule.

Dunno man, here in Germany it's mostly guys like that that one can see with the hot girls, so..