Why are there so many LTRs Between childless men and single moms?

[Guy69JackBlue]

When you give women freedom to make their own mating choices then you get alpha fux/beta bux behaviour. I believe this is why our ancestors controlled female sex. A gynocentric society means that 95% of men don't get laid much, and 5% of men get the lion's share. It's a great deal of alphas and a great deal for women. It's a crap deal for 95% of men.

If you want to blame anyone for single mothers then I'd suggest you blame betas. If betas stopped white knighting for single mom's then there'd be less women who would take the single motherhood risk.

I'm so curious why you think you're in this 5%.

 

[metalwater]

When you give women freedom to make their own mating choices then you get alpha fux/beta bux behaviour. I believe this is why our ancestors controlled female sex. A gynocentric society means that 95% of men don't get laid much, and 5% of men get the lion's share. It's a great deal of alphas and a great deal for women. It's a crap deal for 95% of men.

If you want to blame anyone for single mothers then I'd suggest you blame betas. If betas stopped white knighting for single mom's then there'd be less women who would take the single motherhood risk.

I understand. I disagree. It has been explained in detail how women can not resist tingles, as well I see and experience the same. At the same time, some men know how to activate that in almost any woman. I have learned how to do it, but do not claim to be an expert at it but enough to know it's true. This makes it not really the woman's choice, she is just water flowing the way it's pushed. Pretty much the only women that are impossible are the ones that choose to avoid access or someone else chooses that for them.

It's actually a crap deal for most of the women also. Without either the state or family or taking some beta she doesn't want the kids might not eat. It's crap for the beta, don't need to explain that one. It's also crap for the Alpha, ya they get off a lot and feel empowered but at the end of that it's hallowed and there is an end. Misery all the way around.

I completely!! get the situation and agree on what it is. I simply believe that men are the ones that have the will to improve everything because they can be stable. Those that understand the process can be greedy or generous. Greed feels good until disaster stricks in one way or another.

I think the alpha hamster is alive and strong.

Anyway, carry on.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Beta thirst is really the issue here. Women would rather share an Alpha than have a loyal and committed Beta. Betas facilitate it all by pretending, like you do, that women hate this current situation, and that men should stop manipulating women. Betas should recognize that they get absolutely nothing out of the current SMV, and withdraw all their support for dating the women who have been wrecked by it.

The reality is that Alphas are loving it, and women are loving it in their party years. Women only stop loving it when they age and they can't get the same caliber of man they were able to get when they were in their early 20's.

You are sadly mistaken if you think that women want "love" from men. They don't. Women give love, and they take male value in exchange for it. This is the exchange between men and women. Men give value, women give love and affection and sex. Male "love" is worthless to a woman.

Male mindsets completely change based on their options with women. Male loyalty and romantic notions of "the one" come from scarcity and oneitis. Any man who is in a situation where he has sexual access to many beautiful women would find his mindset immediately shift to greed.

What did you do last night?

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Based on my results with women I'd have to say that I'm in the lower top 5% - I have height, looks and Game. I live in the nicest suburb of my city and I drive a decent car (a lexus). I've pretty much got all my bases covered. I don't know anyone personally who has more success with women than me. Most of the guys I know bang rarely, and bang ugly.

The downside of all this is it's tiring and you have to put up with a lot of female bullsh1t. I can understand why you like the no-fuss of hookers, but personally I enjoy banging girls that I've seduced because the sex is better.

How important would you say your personality is? And how would you describe your personality? What is your main avenue of meeting new girls?

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Took a girl out to dinner and then banged her. I wouldn't usually do dinner, but I've already banged her so she gets the privilege.

Did you pay? Was it a nice place?

 

[metalwater]

Beta thirst is really the issue here. Women would rather share an Alpha than have a loyal and committed Beta. Betas facilitate it all by pretending, like you do, that women hate this current situation, and that men should stop manipulating women. Betas should recognize that they get absolutely nothing out of the current SMV, and withdraw all their support for dating the women who have been wrecked by it.

The reality is that Alphas are loving it, and women are loving it in their party years. Women only stop loving it when they age and they can't get the same caliber of man they were able to get when they were in their early 20's.

You are sadly mistaken if you think that women want "love" from men. They don't. Women give love, and they take male value in exchange for it. This is the exchange between men and women. Men give value, women give love and affection and sex. Male "love" is worthless to a woman.

Male mindsets completely change based on their options with women. Male loyalty and romantic notions of "the one" come from scarcity and oneitis. Any man who is in a situation where he has sexual access to many beautiful women would find his mindset immediately shift to greed.

Again, my friend, we are telling the same thing almost.

I did not say that the women hate it. I said that it results in misery. Actually, they find it enjoyable for the most part, but with no realization of how the path ends. I also find it interesting. let me say it again, I don't think women hate this, I think they love it and find it stimulating. Emotions are in control.

I am sure the true solid beta guy, hates it. As does the beta red pill guy and anything in between.

Some alpha loves it, some are trapped by it. In the end if they continue the game it usually will end in regret.

Your last sentence is what we disagree on. I believe you will call beta anyone that disagrees with you on that point. That sentence sums up our entire disagreement. All of the rest I think I am in synch with you. I do believe that many men are like you tell, I do not believe it is ALL because I have known men as I tell. Being the man that intentionally breaks families because he can just is not something that is a result of being attractive to women. It also includes a character that has been molded from pain, suffering, and other bad things.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I don't want to make this thread about me. I'll answer you, but then let's keep it relevant to the topic ok?

Personality is obviously important. My personality is I don't take any sh1t from women. If she tries to change plans, or shifts the goalposts then she's out. I have no time for female bullsh1t. I "next" girls who aren't following my plans and I don't have any emotions about it. I'm just efficient and I see it as part of the game.

I mainly meet girls through daygame and online. Sometimes nightgame, but I don't like going out at night as much as I used to.

Ok. We won't make it about you... We can keep it about "theory."

I'm asking this because you mentioned your car and suburb you live in. How important do you think financial things are then? From previous threads, I would have thought you'd advocate for being a deadbeat, but I guess not.

 

[metalwater]

I don't mean to insult you at all, only that what you previously said about women hating it, alphas hating it etc. is a form of beta denial. I don't mean you are entirely beta, but that exact thought is a beta one.

Women do end up miserable in the end, but that's only because they can't get the alpha's attention anymore. I don't think they ever regret not settling down with a beta. They only regret not tying down the alpha. Frankly, women always have an option to settle with a beta even when they become super old - such is the beta thirst.

Alpha's are certainly trapped in sex addiction. Sex is an incredibly powerful and addictive drug. No doubt. Does it lead to bad places? For sure. The biggest challenge for a man with options is to try and control greed. The greed is endless.

we do agree. ya have been definitely beta. txt bookcase, every bad trait was included. been working on that. it's not an insult to me, it's just part of what has been in my path.

I have known a couple (not many) men that were able to control the greed and replaced it with amazing things. It's noteworthy that the type of women that chased them was way different. The other type still did but they could and did attract all. They did not have to do anything special, just exist. Never gamed that I know of, often frustrated literally because they felt bad for telling women no.

Earlier I said It is a crap deal for women, even you agree with that. It only works because they love it. Most women are so stupid.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

also women are chasing romantic Disney relationships instead of workable long term relationships. She went in to a relationship with Will because he had that spark and 99% common interests, and he was hot of course. However, spark faded, his looks faded, and 99% common interests doesn’t help raise a family, but money does and Will is a server at Chili’s.

 

[SW15]

This forum over rates the importance of a guys looks. As long as you're not a fat slob, you should be okay.

I don't think it does. When women are being pursued by hundreds of men at a time, being fit is more essential now than ever.

It's very simple - women have lost the shame of being single mommies, either via being knocked up in or outside of marriage by a man that had no intention of staying with her, or by flippantly divorcing good husbands because they didn't "feel it" with them, and thus there is a large proportion of such women around. On the flip side, the Chads who had knocked them up move on to younger, childless women, thus removing women from that part of the dating market - and there are even Chad-mates in waiting as some single women hold out to try and bag a Chad

As someone who had attempted, because of the total lack of decent single women around (mid '90s), to date single mommies (but always bailed out after the 1st date because of the total embarrassment I felt about becoming a stepfather ),

I agree that women have lost the shame of being single moms. A lot of childless women are not psyched to get into LTRs with single dads so you might be overrating that "flip side".

In the mid-90s, you could have just casually dated single moms. You could have banged them and not committed LTR. I have banged some single moms. I have always preferred to interact with childless women even on a casual basis.

I know a guy in the same age range as me (late 30s) who has regularly dated single moms in the past decade, usually significantly older than he is. They are usually women who divorced upper middle class or higher men and are receiving nice alimony and child support payments. He just has sex with them for somewhere between 3-12 months and it evaporates, often by his choosing.

 

[Zontyy]

Of course she hates you - you were the Beta that she had to rope in to have a man around to help care for the spawn of the Chad that got to lay fresh poon.

Maybe so but I’ve known her long enough she did this the last time she got pregnant and aborted the guys kid. When she had mine I told her I wouldn’t help her and do what she wanted. I called her many bad names to the point she blocked me and rarely spoke. Still wanted my baby despite her having no problems with abortion.

I don’t know even know what she considers alpha, she has dated drug lords, contract killers and low life’s. There been 2 times were she tried to disrespect me in public and I checked her ass. When she was pregnant to, I was working only per diem and traveling a lot she made more money then me during that time so it wasn’t about the money.

 

[zekko]

A lot of talk in the "manosphere" about how feminism ruined the traditional family.
But some loser wannabe "alpha" running out on their kids does the same thing.

Yep, and I've always said that the guys in the '50s who engaged in domestic abuse, alcoholism, and cheating on their wives also contributed to driving feminism and ruining the nuclear family. Men during that time were living in an almost completely male-dominated society, but they failed their leadership roles, and chaos resulted.

The problem is that unless he's just coming over to bang her and nothing more, he will inevitably being a provider of some sort.

Everyone, women included, are providers on some level. You have to bring some sort of value to a relationship, whether it be the sex, emotional support, companionship, etc. Of course you don't want to be thought of as only a wallet.

 

[derby1]

Who's to really know if the hypothetical skinny white guy in your story is really the father?

because the average looking kid was the spit of its average looking father

 

[B80]

Alright mate. In your world average skinny white dudes are getting women and having families without any problem. I'm only seeing average dudes doing this with fat cows with goatees, but maybe that's just the city I'm in.

Nah, Derby is on the money here... at least in UK. Walk around city/town centres in UK and its shinny, average looking guys with decent looking women. I think the alpha thing isadsively overplayed on here.

No doubt you're going to say those women are ****ing alphas behind the scenes.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Nah, Derby is on the money here... at least in UK. Walk around city/town centres in UK and its shinny, average looking guys with decent looking women. I think the alpha thing isadsively overplayed on here.

No doubt you're going to say those women are ****ing alphas behind the scenes.

Yea and many of the guys look like their estrogen exceeds their testosterone.

 

[Velasco]

, Derby is on the money here... at least in UK. Walk around city/town centres in UK and its shinny, average looking guys with decent looking women. I think the alpha thing isadsively overplayed on here

Same in NYC.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I guess incels should all be moving to the UK then instead of the philippines. Pvssy Paradise

It's in the USA too. I see many hot girls in LTR with guys this forum would call "beta." (Really makes you question the "wisdom" of this forum).

And how are they incels? Incel = involuntarily celibate. If the guy is there to pick up his offspring, then he's obviously not celibate.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Same in NYC.

Nowhere on the entire planet do girls like a guy beating his chest claiming he's the "alpha male."

They probably laugh at him internally while being scared his obvious insecurities will lead to violence.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Women decide who the alphas are, not men. A man can't self-assess. It comes down to his results with women.

I don't believe, personally, that average men are getting hot women in the UK and USA otherwise forums like this wouldn't exist. I think you guys are bullsh1tting.

It's widely understood and well-known that most men can't get laid in the West with anything remotely considered to be an attractive woman.

Females don't decide sh1t about what's alpha.

You think that's the barometer of life? If some girl whose only gift to the world is a hole (the only reason anyone talks to her) thinks a certain way about you?

The reason that some "beta" guys do well is because they are agreeable and truly appreciate the girl. That's the only healthy environment to raise children in.

 

[Velasco]

I don't believe, personally, that average men are getting hot women in the UK and USA otherwise forums like this wouldn't exist. I think you guys are bullsh1tting.

Forum exist cuz guys on here dont have what these betas have. Money, friends, social skills.