Why are there so many losers?

[SargeMaximus]

Was just thinking...
A beta isn't always a beta in every situation. He could be generally a beta but not using "beta game". It doesn't have to be "alpha game" either. It can be some middle-of-the-road hybrid game. If he is physically attractive enough it doesn't take a lot of game or any game at all. The waitress at Denney's situation makes me think this because he wouldn't have been running game (of any kind) on her right then, but he still had her full attention. Some guys just have the right "look" to them and women just come to them. They have no idea what beta or alpha is and have no real idea why they have the success that they manage to have. That is why they often suck at trying to teach other guys to be successful with women. I think you can see this example in the interview with Rollo Tomassi on the Charlie & Ben Podcast when they keep denying the things Rollos was saying because in their own personal experiences they didn't have the problems that Rollo described other men having. Their "looks" shielded them from the truth and they couldn't grasp it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIZ269WqQZo

The funny thing is he is probably only 120 lbs. auschwitz skinny. Worked at a movie theatre arcade before the covid. Not a typical alpha but the hotties come into him and rarely onto me except, back in my day before I learned game, I had women approaching me too. So there is something else going on I just don’t know what.

 

[Velasco]

back in my day before I learned game, I had women approaching me too. So there is something else going on I just don’t know what.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1220936298732539905

 

[Velasco]

is that true about lying tho? I thought women responded to men who were honest instead of telling people what they wanted to hear. It’s much harder to be brutally honest than changing your responses to fit the audience.

we all like to feel special.
Like people who are just like us.
Like people who think we're funny.

Psychopaths know this and exploit this to their own benefit. don't ask me how i know this...

 

[Visionist]

Is that true about lying tho? I thought women responded to men who were honest instead of telling people what they wanted to hear. It’s much harder to be brutally honest than changing your responses to fit the audience.

Women dislike honesty I've found, because they are often dishonest themselves, both to others and to themselves. Drop a truth bomb on a girl who's mastered self deception and she will resent you for it.

I've been dumped after dropping a truth bomb about my relationship with a girl in the past, more than once.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Well that’s a relief. I thought I had to be honest which has been definitely hurting my chances with some women who want a relationship.
However, it’s hard to go down the relationship route without becoming a beta following her lead ive found

 

[SargeMaximus]

Dude Noooo. Being honest with women is massively handicapping you.

Why is this? Because women are the top tier liars of humanity. If you're bringing honesty, while she is bringing her hamster and her lies, then it's like going to a gun fight armed with a knife.

Lying to women is simply using their own female weapons against them.

So that’s fascinating because I’ve noticed one of my strengths is being genuine. People can tell when you’re fake. In sales and with women my genuineness has served me well. And on the other side “faking it till I make it” has never worked.
If I hadn’t branched out and stopped trying to be what I wasn’t, I have no doubt I’d still be a virgin

to help me understand, can you illustrate how lying vs not lying would make a pua better than another?

 

[SargeMaximus]

It's a bit more subtle than that. For example, when a girl says she's looking for a serious relationship and wants to settle down then you wouldn't say "I'm just looking for casual sex". You'd play along with her, bang her, then discard her.

Women string guys along all the time, so I don't see any issue with this.

You don't want to fake your entire personality, you just want to sprinkle the lies in at the right time to achieve specific goals with women. Another example would be if a woman says something like "smoking is a deal breaker" and you're a smoker. You wouldn't tell her that you smoke, would you? There are various other examples along these lines.

Keep this is mind too. It's in a woman's interest for you to be completely honest with her about everything so then she can make an accurate assessment of you. Meanwhile, she'll lie through her teeth to you. I don't think that's a fair fight at all. If women are allowed to lie, then men are too. Getting caught up in morality bullsh!t means you're playing right into the Female Mating Startegy.

well, like I said, I value authenticity. Having said that, I have been trying to do the whole “yes I’m looking for a relationship too” but so far, any girl that made that a prerequisite in the interaction and I’ve played along, I was immediately in the back burner. It hasn’t gotten me laid yet.

I am doing that with the fit 7.5 girl I mentioned, but even then I had the frame of “we’re gonna **** when we meet” first and indeed, if it wasn’t for my ED, I would have.

She only brought the relationship thing up on our third “date” after we had tried to have sex a few times. (It still baffles me why she wanted a relationship with me after 2 failed attempts to have sex)

So, like I said, when I’ve followed a woman’s frame in that regard, it hasn’t translated into a lay.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Here's what you're doing wrong in that situation. You don't directly tell a woman that you're ready for an LTR with her. She needs to be pushing for that, not you. She needs to feel like she has "won you over".

What you need to do is dangle the possibility. "Yes, I'm open to an LTR if I meet the right woman. But I'm picky" - you want to get her qualifying to you, because you are the prize.

But the truth of the matter is that your intention may be to just pump and dump her. She doesn't need to know that.

I see, thanks. The thing is, in line with authenticity, when I’ve tried to do the “dangle” thing, I think the girl knew I was playing her.

like I said, I tried pua methods: push pull, rapport break, etc. They all fell flat because it wasn’t me.

I firmly believe my only hope is to realize what is essential to a seduction that I’m naturally predisposed to, and double down on that. Not do something I’d never do unless it’s with a hot girl.

 

[Velasco]

So, like I said, when I’ve followed a woman’s frame in that regard, it hasn’t translated into a lay.

sarge, you literally just said had you not had ED (on two separate occasions), you would've fcked her despite her "looking for a serious relationship" objection lol.

 

[SargeMaximus]

sarge, you literally just said had you not had had ed (on two separate occasions), you would've fcked her despite her "looking for a serious relationship" objection lol.

No you misunderstand. She didn’t object with the relationship, she pitched it to me AFTER our second night in bed. While we were laying there sweaty and my **** not working. We humped the **** out of each other both times but I never got fully erect.

then, and only then, did she bring up a relationship

 

[Velasco]

thing is, if you're naturally manipulative, you ARE just being yourself

 

[SargeMaximus]

I understand, man. Some guys just aren't cut out to play women like that.

Unfortunately, "just be yourself" is the absolute worst strategy when it comes to pick-up. It sounds good in theory, but it just doesn't work. You need to play with women on their level - women are manipulative, so if you go in non-manipulative and genuine then she'll just see you as a chump.

Except that since doing it, I lost my virginity, and have multiple fwbs. Pick up never worked for me so I went my own way.

 

[SargeMaximus]

D1ck not working means she decided you weren't alpha fux, so decided to make you beta bux instead.

I'd look into some viagra if I were you. Women are brutal when it comes to d1ck not working.

Lol this is all in my topic. I am looking into viagra. Thank you for stating the obvious

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Lol this is all in my topic. I am looking into viagra. Thank you for stating the obvious

Evaluate cialis, it lasts 36 hrs

 

[SargeMaximus]

Evaluate cialis, it lasts 36 hrs

Dude I don’t want something that lasts that long. I’ll destroy my ****

 

[SargeMaximus]

Lol this is all in my topic. I am looking into viagra. Thank you for stating the obvious

Also, the ONLY, reason I care my **** didn’t work is because I didn’t get to use it, I don’t care what she wanted in that regard.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Dude I don’t want something that lasts that long. I’ll destroy my ****

It nicer on your system too.

Also, the ONLY, reason I care my **** didn’t work is because I didn’t get to use it, I don’t care what she wanted in that regard.

You gotta stay with babes whose feeling you sexually, who turn you on. Otherwise erection issues will arise due to the attraction or lack of.

 

[SargeMaximus]

It nicer on your system too.
You gotta stay with babes whose feeling you sexually, who turn you on. Otherwise erection issues will arise due to the attraction or lack of.

I actually have an amazing vision for myself where I can **** any woman and it’s just sex to me. Much easier to stay detached too.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I actually have an amazing vision for myself where I can **** any woman and it’s just sex to me. Much easier to stay detached too.

But if they aren't feeling you they will **** up your erections and sex drive. We can't force a female to desire us. We gotta stay with the ones that do or we'll have issues.

 

[SargeMaximus]

But if they aren't feeling you they will **** up your erections and sex drive. We can't force a female to desire us. We gotta stay with the ones that do or we'll have issues.

Dude this girl DOES want me. She was grinding on me for hours trying to get me hard. Why are you misinterpreting everything I say?