Just Witnessed a girl laugh at some Dude who tried to approach her

[Bigpapa]

the problem with direct game is that she needs to take a decision early on about you , so from the get go you will end up with girls that are into you from the get go

this Means that you will loose a lot of girls that are “maybe “ as a first impression about you

 

[Atom Smasher]

Regardless of approach, failure is inevitable.

Guys who feign disinterest aren't fooling anybody.

The Death of Indirect Game

To be sure, the title is a bit of hyperbole...of course, indirect game will continue to work for many, and the principles espoused in models like M3 are generally correct (besides the one about 7 hours of comfort). But, there are a lot of pitfalls that stem from introducing superfluous...

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You’re right. Men who feign disinterest aren’t fooling anybody.

Men who are in fact non-invested and detached yet friendly enjoy a high rate of success. Projection (how you handle your energy) is everything.

 

[Rocnavy]

the problem with direct game is that she needs to take a decision early on about you , so from the get go you will end up with girls that are into you from the get go

this Means that you will loose a lot of girls that are “maybe “ as a first impression about you

That's cool cause you will waste time with a maybe chick.

 

[Bigpapa]

That's cool cause you will waste time with a maybe chick.

the problem with “maybe” girls is that maybe she is having a bad day and this can f8ck her mood , even though she likes you and you might be a perfect match

women are quite emotional creatures , that is why I do not immediately cross off the yellow or the orange ones

 

[Rocnavy]

the problem with “maybe” girls is that maybe she is having a bad day and this can f8ck her mood , even though she likes you and you might be a perfect match

women are quite emotional creatures

I dont doubt that but you gotta asked yourself are you willing to keep trying with a maybe chick?

 

[Rocnavy]

EVERY woman is a "maybe" at some point or another. Guys who are, or who want to be involved, in LTRs will especially tend to think about this (and they shouldn't, in my opinion).

At some point, with every woman, you have to be willing to walk away from them in order to keep them.

I prefer rejection over regret every time. Because there are always more girls.

Yep treat women like they walking on egg shells with you cause the minute you allow them to walk over you they will keep on walking over you until eventually she loses respect for you all together.

 

[Georgepithyou]

In fact, talking to strange girls raises your status on its own. The guy in the OP held status over the girl until he allowed her to DHV him. His frame slipped, that's all. The more gregarious you are, the more people will know you.

Too many guys go out just to approach women, instead of wasting your time doing that men should go out and do what they want to do.

For example your going out to meet your friends for a movie, you see a beautiful woman along the way and she is giving you signals. You approach her, youe success rate would be much higher.

I don'tsee why so many men spend all their free time cold approaching, it's not a productive use of your time.

 

[Rocnavy]

Two different arguments here.

First...to me it's irrelevant whether the man went out with the intention of doing approaches, or was out doing his thing and saw a girl to approach. I agree with you that it's better to be doing your thing, but to each his own. Who cares? It has nothing to do with what the guy did to himself in the original post.

Second...If you see a girl you want to meet, go up and talk to her. Forget "signals." They help but aren't the be-all end-all and you leave plenty of good women on the table if you only look for them. I don't care about success rate because it's all success. Some guys think "she rejected me, so the conversation was a waste of time." First, I disagree - it's time well spent. Second, it's very little investment. Three to four minutes should give a clue about if she's interested or not. Really, who cares. What matters is are you having fun. You are not going to fukk every girl you meet, so you might as well have fun talking to them. If she's a bytch, that's her problem. (And yes, Virginia, I've gotten laid from girls who didn't even look my way once.)

The problem with strictly waiting for signals and IOIs is it goes against frame. Frame > anything she does or doesn't do. Don't wait for permission. Be a social retard and go talk to her.

That don't even make sense they just don't wanna admit that they scared of rejection so they rather play it safe by waiting on the woman to make the first move. I'm sorry but men are hunters and go for what they want. Now if the woman you want happens to send you choosing signals cool but don't just sit around waiting or you gonna miss out.

 

[Rocnavy]

In my experience it's incredibly productive. DJs are built through failure.

Failure leads to experience...which leads to knowledge...which leads to confidence.

Yep the only way to get better is thru trial n error.

 

[Bigpapa]

Yep the only way to get better is thru trial n error.

it is the same thing With job interviews , and other stuff like that

 

[Atom Smasher]

By the way, for those of us who are speaking about signals, I know it sounds like we are timidly waiting for an obvious hammer over the head before we will approach. This couldn’t be farther from the truth.

It’s a matter of learning instinctively who will be receptive, and who will not. It seems like an inner “knowing”, but I believe it’s actually being so finely-tuned into the unspoken language of women that there's really no need to cold approach blindly.

 

[Georgepithyou]

Now if the woman you want happens to send you choosing signals cool but don't just sit around waiting or you gonna miss out.

Do you think we are going out to sit and wait for women to give signals? We are saying go out live your life, and if a woman u pass by happens to give you signals you go and approach.

Going out for the sole purpose of approaching has got to be the stupidest thing a man can do.

 

[Rocnavy]

Do you think we are going out to sit and wait for women to give signals? We are saying go out live your life, and if a woman u pass by happens to give you signals you go and approach.

Going out for the sole purpose of approaching has got to be the stupidest thing a man can do.

Stop making excuses on why you don't wanna cold approach women you don't know and just admit you scared of rejection.

 

[corrector]

True, like everything in life. But when it works and you get laid with a 9 or a 10, it's worth the failed approaches in my opinion. You got the girl you wanted, that's a nice feeling.

Yeah but you feel bad when she is gone because now you have to start from scratch again and go through all of that again.

 

[King Lion]

By the way, for those of us who are speaking about signals, I know it sounds like we are timidly waiting for an obvious hammer over the head before we will approach. This couldn’t be farther from the truth.

It’s a matter of learning instinctively who will be receptive, and who will not. It seems like an inner “knowing”, but I believe it’s actually being so finely-tuned into the unspoken language of women that there's really no need to cold approach blindly.

"WHY MUST YOU FIT IN, WHEN YOU WERE BORN TO STAND OUT?" - DR. SEUSS

Only those who respect themselves have the courage to be humble.

I'm content with being a contrarian on the "cold approach" subject, Atom Smasher.

If a bunch of cynical muppets that "need balls of steel" to 'cold approach' random females, but don't know they must have sh*t-for-brains for believing anyone opposed to it is 'timid' or "needs to man up" or whatever nonsense; wanna follow their diks and be pvssy-whipped - rather than respect themselves - Let 'em, that's their folly!

If they need "balls of steel" to approach - They are the truly timid!

Those poor deluded azzholes are the very guys we'll later hear b*tching about the way females are!

They're also the same naive men(?) who turned themselves into human toilet paper for women to wipe their asses with!

I'm disgusted with the lack of dignity and self respect that some men display!

"In times of stress, the weak get together." - Conor McGregor

Hmmm

 

[Bigpapa]

"WHY MUST YOU FIT IN, WHEN YOU WERE BORN TO STAND OUT?" - DR. SEUSS

Only those who respect themselves have the courage to be humble.

I'm content with being a contrarian on the "cold approach" subject, Atom Smasher.

If a bunch of cynical muppets that "need balls of steel" to 'cold approach' random females, but don't know they must have sh*t-for-brains for believing anyone opposed to it is 'timid' or "needs to man up" or whatever nonsense; wanna follow their diks and be pvssy-whipped - rather than respect themselves - Let 'em, that's their folly!

If they need "balls of steel" to approach - They are the truly timid!

Those poor deluded azzholes are the very guys we'll later hear b*tching about the way females are!

They're also the same naive men(?) who turned themselves into human toilet paper for women to wipe their asses with!

I'm disgusted with the lack of dignity and self respect that some men display!

"In times of stress, the weak get together." - Conor McGregor

Hmmm

I do not understand the analogy between cold approaching and not having self respect

to be frank , I never heard anyone that is worthwhile in anything ( business , dating , etc ) that is good in what he is doing but also an extremist in the way he is thinking , because the more experience you get in whatsoever the more you realize that things are not black or while , but more grey

the only thing I understand from what you are saying is that only because you have a lower chance of being successful when you do not wait for her to give you approach invitations you are not self respecting yourself , because you are going against the odds

the only thing that I can tell you is that the biggest rewards come from the biggest risks , and that from your retheroic you are not fearless and are actually afraid that a silly thing like a woman rejecting you is affecting your manhood

I would lie if I would say that sometimes I take rejections more serious than I should , but in the same time when I have next to me a girl that is hot I just say to myself that all of this is worth it , because you feel more manly when a hot women is naked next to you , than when an average girl is giving you an approach invitation and you feel validated

 

[Atom Smasher]

There exists a hidden world that some men and some women live in and understand. It’s a world that can’t be described, but only hinted at.

It’s very similar to trying to explain and picture a fourth dimension. In our three dimensional space/time continuum we can conceptualize a fourth dimension and visualize a shadow of how a 4 dimensional object may look, we cannot fully grasp it and perceive it and interact with it because we are not equipped to perceive it fully since we are three-dimensional beings.

When a man discovers a “crack” in the dimensional perimeter (usually only attainable with drugs), he is able to visit the fourth dimension, but when he comes down from the experience he is back within his original confines of perception.

Either Atom Smasher has finally flipped his lid, or he is talking about something that is real but completely hidden to most.

The hidden world requires no idea of “cold approach”. It’s just a natural state of being wherein the inhabitants have an instantaneous mutual understanding of attraction. We all know instantaneously who is a cohabitant and who is not. This could also be thought of as a secret “society”. I would say that within this world, most men know how they got there but cannot articulate in words how they did, while zero percent of women know how they got there, nor do they even know that they are a habitant. They just exist without question in a very childlike way.

Within that hidden world, men don’t give any thought at all about how to attract women. They just walk around throughout their day, improving their lives, and they simply enjoy an abundance of women who are attracted to them, the women who are members. The “signals” or “invitations” are for those who are just discovering this hidden society. Full-fledged members just instinctively know.

I went from being utterly hopeless with women to a member of this hidden world of abundance, and I know how I got there but I’m incapable of articulating it in words. All my life the only thing I “knew“ about women was that there was a cosmic law in play that all women despised me. In my perception, this was as real as the law of gravity.

The only way I can articulate how to open up a crack of entry into this hidden world is twofold. First is to train oneself to recognize the subtle, almost imperceptible signs that women give out, and second, to cultivate a presumption that flies in the face of objective “reality” that women can and do find you attractive. It is a state of being like driving a car. Once at your destination you gave no thought whatsoever as to how you got there. You drive completely on instinct with zero conscious calculations as to how you drove.

Of course, the more I try to explain it, the more confusing and convoluted it becomes because ultimately it is inexpressible. You have to develop an inner knowing, and the only way to do it is to shift out of conscious thought about how to do it (the mechanics of cold approach) and just flow with the abundance that’s there for the taking.

So in the crude language that we are confined to, it seems to me that the tangible jumping off point into this hidden world that I and others live in is to learn to perceive these ultra-subtle signs of attraction that interested women broadcast, and to shift oneself into a state of being and doing, forgetting about cold approaching but rather creating easy, relaxed fun and amusement for yourself in your interactions with others.

The closest guy here who was able to partially articulate this would be da dynamically. He has a deep understanding of this hidden world, but he can never stick around here long enough to continue his writings because he cares to much what his detractors think. I’ve told him that is his Achilles heel.

I on the other hand couldn’t care less what my detractors think. A handful of you know that I’m onto something real here. Those are the ones who are well on the way toward enlightenment and abundance. Some will say it sounds like Uncle Atom has been hitting the mushrooms again, and that’s fine. I sound crazy to those who either aren’t ready yet or who never will be.

Are these the ramblings of an out-of-touch madman, or are they the writings of a man who has worked his way into a higher state of abundance but lacks the ability to articulate how to get there? You decide. All I know is that my little world is a great place to live. My current mission is to move other aspects of my life into this world of abundance until I’ve attained a reasonable state of balance across the board.

Take the hammer and chisel to yourself.
Present yourself to the world as a man who has self-respect.
Assume a virtue if you have it not.
Move through life with an easy air of self-generated amusement and fun, but require respect.
Learn to recognize women’s signals.
Develop faith in yourself, an inner knowing that you can succeed, even if your situation seems dire. This is called Creating Your Reality.
Learn to live with cognitive dissonance until your seemingly “unreasonable” faith in yourself becomes your reality.
Learn about mechanical discipline and the power of habit.
Learn the power of baby steps.
Pay attention to your relationship with our Creator.

All of these things will elevate you to a higher plane in many aspects of life. And to the issue at-hand, attraction and whether or not to cold approach, you will find that cold approaching is entirely unnecessary because responsive women will become visible to you, and you to them, and you will know their receptivity before a single word is uttered.

 

[christie]

There exists a hidden world that some men and some women live in and understand. It’s a world that can’t be described, but only hinted at.

It’s very similar to trying to explain and picture a fourth dimension. In our three dimensional space/time continuum we can conceptualize a fourth dimension and visualize a shadow of how a 4 dimensional object may look, we cannot fully grasp it and perceive it and interact with it because we are not equipped to perceive it fully since we are three-dimensional beings.

When a man discovers a “crack” in the dimensional perimeter (usually only attainable with drugs), he is able to visit the fourth dimension, but when he comes down from the experience he is back within his original confines of perception.

Either Atom Smasher has finally flipped his lid, or he is talking about something that is real but completely hidden to most.

The hidden world requires no idea of “cold approach”. It’s just a natural state of being wherein the inhabitants have an instantaneous mutual understanding of attraction. We all know instantaneously who is a cohabitant and who is not. This could also be thought of as a secret “society”. I would say that within this world, most men know how they got there but cannot articulate in words how they did, while zero percent of women know how they got there, nor do they even know that they are a habitant. They just exist without question in a very childlike way.

Within that hidden world, men don’t give any thought at all about how to attract women. They just walk around throughout their day, improving their lives, and they simply enjoy an abundance of women who are attracted to them, the women who are members. The “signals” or “invitations” are for those who are just discovering this hidden society. Full-fledged members just instinctively know.

I went from being utterly hopeless with women to a member of this hidden world of abundance, and I know how I got there but I’m incapable of articulating it in words. All my life the only thing I “knew“ about women was that there was a cosmic law in play that all women despised me. In my perception, this was as real as the law of gravity.

The only way I can articulate how to open up a crack of entry into this hidden world is twofold. First is to train oneself to recognize the subtle, almost imperceptible signs that women give out, and second, to cultivate a presumption that flies in the face of objective “reality” that women can and do find you attractive. It is a state of being like driving a car. Once at your destination you gave no thought whatsoever as to how you got there. You drive completely on instinct with zero conscious calculations as to how you drove.

Of course, the more I try to explain it, the more confusing and convoluted it becomes because ultimately it is inexpressible. You have to develop an inner knowing, and the only way to do it is to shift out of conscious thought about how to do it (the mechanics of cold approach) and just flow with the abundance that’s there for the taking.

So in the crude language that we are confined to, it seems to me that the tangible jumping off point into this hidden world that I and others live in is to learn to perceive these ultra-subtle signs of attraction that interested women broadcast, and to shift oneself into a state of being and doing, forgetting about cold approaching but rather creating easy, relaxed fun and amusement for yourself in your interactions with others.

The closest guy here who was able to partially articulate this would be da dynamically. He has a deep understanding of this hidden world, but he can never stick around here long enough to continue his writings because he cares to much what his detractors think. I’ve told him that is his Achilles heel.

I on the other hand couldn’t care less what my detractors think. A handful of you know that I’m onto something real here. Those are the ones who are well on the way toward enlightenment and abundance. Some will say it sounds like Uncle Atom has been hitting the mushrooms again, and that’s fine. I sound crazy to those who either aren’t ready yet or who never will be.

Are these the ramblings of an out-of-touch madman, or are they the writings of a man who has worked his way into a higher state of abundance but lacks the ability to articulate how to get there? You decide. All I know is that my little world is a great place to live. My current mission is to move other aspects of my life into this world of abundance until I’ve attained a reasonable state of balance across the board.

Take the hammer and chisel to yourself.
Present yourself to the world as a man who has self-respect.
Assume a virtue if you have it not.
Move through life with an easy air of self-generated amusement and fun, but require respect.
Learn to recognize women’s signals.
Develop faith in yourself, an inner knowing that you can succeed, even if your situation seems dire. This is called Creating Your Reality.
Learn to live with cognitive dissonance until your seemingly “unreasonable” faith in yourself becomes your reality.
Learn about mechanical discipline and the power of habit.
Learn the power of baby steps.
Pay attention to your relationship with our Creator.

All of these things will elevate you to a higher plane in many aspects of life. And to the issue at-hand, attraction and whether or not to cold approach, you will find that cold approaching is entirely unnecessary because responsive women will become visible to you, and you to them, and you will know their receptivity before a single word is uttered.

Wellwritten.

That pualingo site explains a bit of secret society too.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Wellwritten.

That pualingo site explains a bit of secret society too.

Interesting. I’ve never seen that site before, though I’ve heard of it. I always assumed it was just a dictionary for PUA terms so I had no interest.

 

[christie]

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Edit to remove link.

I look up one thing and it leads to another and another cache. I wasn't looking up 'secret society' when I found this, lol.

I'll remove the link now after rereading it, lol.