Will you take the covid vaccine?

Will you get the vaccine...

  • Yes, as soon as possible

    Votes: 9 21.4%
  • No way in hell

    Votes: 18 42.9%
  • I'm going to wait and see.

    Votes: 15 35.7%

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Lookatu

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I'll respectfully put out the notion that you may be applying mutual exclusivity where none exists. For example, someone can have an agenda but still be right (for some definitions of "right"). Otherwise known as: "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons".

I'll also ask that you reconsider that "everything is about agendas these days". Rather, I see it that agenda is being disproportionately attributed to the actions of individuals and organizations. In other words, it's not that suddenly everyone and everything has an agenda, but there is an effective contingent in the information ecosystem that is relentlessly casting actions and outcomes in that light.
There are some situtations that can occur like your describing but to me those are the exceptions. We can agree to disagree and leave it at that. I'm not trying to change your beliefs, yet I've understood them to the best of my ability. My brain isn't wired like yours and I have mine.

Beyond all this static, I believe most of humans are alike but we often concentrate on trying to dissect the differences instead. But in reality we have more similarities than differences. It's the internet that is especially good at promoting those differences into a toxic environment that exists today. No one wants to see people die and we all want everyone to be well. I think everyone can agree to that unified thought.
I'll be signing off on that note as far as this is concerned.
 

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I didn't ask for the truth. I asked for a definition or clarification of what you said. Your rationalization is retarded, by the way. I'm willing to hear your argument but you're not willing or able to provide it in full. If you're not interested in persuading me or informing me, okay then.
That's my point. You asked a question, I answered it in a way that would provoke thought in that if you actually gave a chit you'd take the 5 secs to right click, highlight and search.

I do this on purpose at times just show how conditioned society has made us in being lazy, how most don't give a rat's a$$ and how most wanna be spoon fed like a baby.

Curiosity killed the cat. I post in hopes that at least one person will get curious enough to dig for the truth which will ultimately kill the sheep within him/her self.


I respectfully disagree but this can go in several directions that I'm not willing to put the effort into. Everything is about agenda's these days.
You're wasting your time. Him and Eyebrollin are like twins.
 
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That's my point. You asked a question, I answered it in a way that would provoke thought in that if you actually cared you'd take the 5 secs to right click, highlight and search.
Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.

I do this on purpose at times just show how conditioned society has made us in being lazy, how most don't give a rat's a$$ and how most wanna be spoon fed like a baby.
Evasion.

You're wasting your time. Him and Eyebrollin are like twins.
Ad hominem.
 

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Who's telling people to be afraid? Is advocating for drunk-driving laws fearmongering? After all, drunk-driving laws are more about protecting the non-driver (especially people outside the vehicle), is that driven by fear? Or, just maybe, to protect the common good?

Do you look both ways before crossing the street? Yes? Well then, the fearmongering must have cowed you into being a wimp who's afraid of what a 'lil old automobile might do to you.
I don't only look to both sides I also listen to any sound who could indicate a engine on close to me, I also tend to notice people behind be by they walking sound or just they presence, but I don't we are talking about using our senses to notice things around you, we are talking about control, laws per see is a mass control using fear, not only driving all laws are, if you don't you are fined or going to jail, but of course that laws only hit the small midle people, politicians and really rich have another set of laws to follow, is some places they even bend the law to save they asses, we saw that in all around the world there is no ONE country who don't do that, all you have to do is search, midia also tend to not inform such things, it can make they pay disapear, best way to prevent the "free speach" on a news outlet is not forbid it, is to pay then to stay quiet, by using federal funds to propaganda to "inform" people of what the goverment is doing.

but let's talk about teh virus again who is what youa re so afraid of, I can understand you are afraid, i'm a fighter I know how to give fear to my oponents, and myself never seen afraid, what I can show you is history telling how previous pandemics killed, in times we didn't have half the world pop we have today, I can show you numbers of how much the flu killed last year and before, but we know you wouldn't want to belive then, you want to have your emotions validate, so I will give it to you, I know you are afraid, its ok to be afraid of the unknow, not everyone have the balls to search the dakness to find the light so you can stop be so afraid, and I understand you are afraid to die.

but its not ok to hide in fear waiting for someone to save you, no one will do that, and if you do the price to pay will be too big, also understand there is no saving you from this virus, vacines are telling us they will aave a effective of 3-4 months before you need to take another, consider also people who already caughtit, are getting it again, lockdowns don't work they only push the problem to a later date, hence the 2nd wave the media is loving to spill it now, also its not ok to try to push your fears to other people, not eveyone is a coward like you, and other have the knowledge to survive anything are throw at then.
 

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I don't only look to both sides I also listen to any sound who could indicate a engine on close to me, I also tend to notice people behind be by they walking sound or just they presence, but I don't we are talking about using our senses to notice things around you, we are talking about control, laws per see is a mass control using fear, not only driving all laws are, if you don't you are fined or going to jail, but of course that laws only hit the small midle people, politicians and really rich have another set of laws to follow, is some places they even bend the law to save they asses, we saw that in all around the world there is no ONE country who don't do that, all you have to do is search, midia also tend to not inform such things, it can make they pay disapear, best way to prevent the "free speach" on a news outlet is not forbid it, is to pay then to stay quiet, by using federal funds to propaganda to "inform" people of what the goverment is doing.
False Equivalency. Enforcing public health guidelines when citizens are not voluntarily choosing to do so is not mass control. No more than DWI, seat belt laws, reckless endangerment laws, disruption-of-the-peace regulations, etc. As they say, "your freedom to throw a punch ends at the tip of my nose".

but let's talk about teh virus again who is what youa re so afraid of, I can understand you are afraid, i'm a fighter I know how to give fear to my oponents, and myself never seen afraid, what I can show you is history telling how previous pandemics killed, in times we didn't have half the world pop we have today, I can show you numbers of how much the flu killed last year and before, but we know you wouldn't want to belive then, you want to have your emotions validate, so I will give it to you, I know you are afraid, its ok to be afraid of the unknow, not everyone have the balls to search the dakness to find the light so you can stop be so afraid, and I understand you are afraid to die.

but its not ok to hide in fear waiting for someone to save you, no one will do that, and if you do the price to pay will be too big, also understand there is no saving you from this virus, vacines are telling us they will aave a effective of 3-4 months before you need to take another, consider also people who already caughtit, are getting it again, lockdowns don't work they only push the problem to a later date, hence the 2nd wave the media is loving to spill it now, also its not ok to try to push your fears to other people, not eveyone is a coward like you, and other have the knowledge to survive anything are throw at then.
I do not fear sunburn. I do not fear mosquito or tick bites (those these days I probably should). I do not fear being hit by an automobile.

Rather, I strongly prefer to avoid those things, because I have better things to do with my time than deal with the consequences of those outcomes. So I put on sunscreen. I put on insect repellent. I drive defensively, and am aware of my surroundings when I am a pedestrian or bicyclist sharing the road with automobiles.

This is not fear, it is making common sense choices for my own well-being. Resorting to calling it fear shows that you have no better arguments in your favor.

My behavior towards Covid is rooted in the same motivation. Fear absolutely does not drive my behavior. Why wouldn't I want to avoid catching Covid? I've had the flu before, and it really, really sucks. I don't exactly have a burning desire to contract something that's worse.

Covid mitigation has the additional dimension of morals. I choose to exercise the things that are in my control in order to avoid, the best that I can, from infecting other people without their consent.
 

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It's political, gentlemen. China is over it. Switzerland never shut down ~ lowest cases/deaths.
 

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It's political, gentlemen. China is over it. Switzerland never shut down ~ lowest cases/deaths.
That information is false. Sweden is so far the only country that never shut down and that turned out to be a fvcking disaster, but that doesn't go along with the theme of this conspiration thread, so don't mind me over here providing some actual facts based in reality.
 

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What an unbiased, reputable source ya got there. Nice.

 

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Wikipedia is unbiased, reputable too. Only owned by the Tribe, once again...
Really? Is that the best you've got? Evidence?

You do realize that Wikipedia is funded largely by donation, right? You do realize that anyone can make edits to the information, even people under the influence of the Delusional Fog, right?
 

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Really? Is that the best you've got? Evidence?

You do realize that Wikipedia is funded largely by donation, right? You do realize that anyone can make edits to the information, even people under the influence of the Delusional Fog, right?
Believe me, they have Tons of money. Don't throw your money away. They're laughing when you do.

I know that "edits" go through a guild of sorts that you cannot change. Slander is prevalent on Wikipedia. History contrived.
 

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Believe me, they have Tons of money. Don't throw your money away. They're laughing when you do.

I know that "edits" go through a guild of sorts that you cannot change. Slander is prevalent on Wikipedia. History contrived.
A blatantly partisan "news" web site which has repeatedly come under scrutiny for deceptive reporting, but supports your worldview? A-Ok!

A bland, boring, largely neutral web site that primarily acts as an open repository for information but has some content that challenges your worldview? Must be trash!

Having made edits in the past to Wikipedia, I can personally attest that there was no "guild" overriding the changes to the content.
 

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Really? Is that the best you've got? Evidence?

You do realize that Wikipedia is funded largely by donation, right? You do realize that anyone can make edits to the information, even people under the influence of the Delusional Fog, right?
and you should know by now wikipedia is not really trustworthy, anyone can change the info, hell there was a lot of trolling of people changing things on it jus tto take a piss on people, but yes lets point one source is fake based in anotehr source who is fake
 

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and you should know by now wikipedia is not really trustworthy, anyone can change the info, hell there was a lot of trolling of people changing things on it jus tto take a piss on people, but yes lets point one source is fake based in anotehr source who is fake
There are plenty of other news sources that show Project Veritas to be a site that masquerades as journalism but has a long history of releasing deceptively-edited videos to support a partisan agenda. But had I quoted one of those, no doubt I'd be hit with "fake news" or "you can't trust the mainstream media!" So, as I've stated before, it really doesn't matter what source I cite. It's a given that it will be dismissed so long as its content doesn't line up with the conspiracy-driven worldview.

That said, Wikipedia is not even a news source. As you acknowledge, anyone can make edits. Which does makes some of its information problematic, I concur. But not in the way that you and others are implying (I.e., it's part of the "Tribe" that controls the information flow).

To make the false equivalency between an unapologetically right-wing news site with a history of publishing intentionally-deceptive material, and a crowd-sourced information repository is to be willfully obtuse.
 

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First responders, healthcare workers, and the elderly will start receiving the first doses by the end of this month. For the rest of us, it will probably be the spring.

There are two shots required. Both make you sick temporarily and the second shot is the worst. People should expect to have to take a sick day for the second shot.

It is a touchy subject to force people to get a vaccine. I know the local healthcare workers will probably be told the vaccine is optional, but if they get sick with covid, they have to take that time off from their own personal sick time instead of getting paid to stay home if they do take the shots. Professional licenses like nurses will be the first to make it mandatory, under threat of yanking the license.

Major league baseball will probably not start on time in the spring, at least with fans, and one of the ideas already being talked about is only letting in fans who show proof of vaccination.
I have nothing against vaccine as long as they are safe and do the job. On the flipside I don't want to be one of the first lab rabbits.

However; I know someone that own a larger biotech company (That research/develops and produces things like this) and with that in mind he says that you should at least wait until the 5th or 6th generation of a new vaccine before you can confirm that it is safe from negative side effects.

Also take note on that these new covid-19 vaccines has been rushed through trials and testing phases has been skipped to fast present a vaccine product ready for distribution. Normally it takes 2-3 years to develop a new vaccine product and get it approved by the government.

So I'd listen to his educated advice and will wait just like him and watch on the sideline as the fools pay the early bird price.
 

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However; I know someone that own a larger biotech company (That research/develops and produces things like this) and with that in mind he says that you should at least wait until the 5th or 6th generation of a new vaccine before you can confirm that it is safe from negative side effects.
Is this the reasoning most have for not wanting to take the vaccine, or is it because you think the government, big corporations, or elite want to deliberately poison us?
 

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Is this the reasoning most have for not wanting to take the vaccine, or is it because you think the government, big corporations, or elite want to deliberately poison us?
For me it is what I said. I'd like to take it when it is proven safe which it is historically speaking after it has further developed to later generation where they have found solutions / improved / removed the negative side effects.

I have nothing against vaccines. They are usually a good thing for us on individual level and for the humanity itself which is also historically proven.
 
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