Rollo Tomassi vs FaceandLMS

[Mike32ct]

the irony is that its probably easier for less attractive people than more attractive people to find relationships and love because there is less pride/egoism/upward mobility getting in the way.

Yes, I will agree with that.

 

[AttackFormation]

One problem is 'cels don't really understand how "normie" couples get together. They see couples everywhere and even notice their own siblings dating. They see lots of people just fall into relationships organically with little to no effort. But they genuinely and HONESTLY can't grasp why it never happens to them.

Then normies tell them they are "too picky." The 'cel can't grasp this because he has not actually (formally) rejected any chicks. He wishes he had chicks to turn down lol. I could go on, but suffice to say it's quite the mind-F.

I thought you were gonna reveal the answer in the end of this post, but you just ended it as a cliff hanger.

 

[Mike32ct]

I thought you were gonna reveal the answer in the end of this post, but you just ended it as a cliff hanger.

Unfortunately, I don't know the solution. Just trying to help the reader better understand the problem.

 

[AttackFormation]

Unfortunately, I don't know the solution. Just trying to help the reader better understand the problem.

If no one knows of the solution or how incels could control it, then the fact that "solutions" seem to randomly occur around the incels isn't much of a counterargument to what they'd gripe about - which is that they can't solve it. It would just be a sampling bias or survivor bias.

And in fact guys in general have this same form of gripe but at a different level. How many guys haven't asked or wondered how they can find a good woman for them for an LTR? that's basically the same form of question the incels ask. You would have to say "it can happen but isn't really in your control as much as you'd like", not "I don't know what you're talking about, there are people all around who happen to have it".

 

[AttackFormation]

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Whatever man... I think the biggest cause of incels' depression or mental illness in the first place would be that they spend so much of their mental focus on women and the sexual marketplace. This pursuit does nothing to grow one's life or mind in any productive sense at all, just creates a self-defeating cycle of wasteful and meaningless expenditure of focus and (speaking out of experience) shame at how self-defeating it feels to spend your time like that.

 

[AttackFormation]

the incels that post the same word salad repetition/OCDposting online are like .0001% of the average guy that qualifies more often than not.

Not exactly sure what you meant here?

 

[AttackFormation]

qualfies as incel because he cant get laid

True. It's educational to a degree but really just a form of either distraction or entertainment beyond that, jerking off about how bad the SMP is. You can indulge in that a little, but without having a solid lifestyle to fall back on where you spend your focus on real interests and/or actually socialising... you're opening yourself up to developing a negative obsession.

 

[Mike32ct]

Whatever man... I think the biggest cause of incels' depression or mental illness in the first place would be that they spend so much of their mental focus on women and the sexual marketplace. This pursuit does nothing to grow one's life or mind in any productive sense at all, just creates a self-defeating cycle of wasteful and meaningless expenditure of focus and (speaking out of experience) shame at how self-defeating it feels to spend your time like that.

Very true. And they have a derogatory term for productive/constructive activities: "copes."

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

One problem is 'cels don't really understand how "normie" couples get together. They see couples everywhere and even notice their own siblings dating. They see lots of people just fall into relationships organically with little to no effort. But they genuinely and HONESTLY can't grasp why it never happens to them.

Then normies tell them they are "too picky." The 'cel can't grasp this because he has not actually (formally) rejected any chicks. He wishes he had chicks to turn down lol. I could go on, but suffice to say it's quite the mind-F.

Autism and Aspergers play a big role in it. Aspies have a hard time making connections with other people. I don't have a solution to the 'cel issue either, but I think it's only going to get worse. Within the next 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of men are nearcel/incel. Dating apps/social media now give women access to options they would have never had before. A 5/10 woman will shoot down her own looksmatch because she can go on Tinder and get better (temporarily).

I recommend men not watch black pill, mgtow, or pornography content. All 3 are toxic for the mind when consumed for too long. Overdosing on black pills is very real. I think everyone should have a basic understanding of lookism and know that 90% of the time when a guy gets rejected it's not really his fault. There are 1,001 shallow reasons why women will shoot you down. After that, move on from the black pill stuff. It's a defeatist mindset that offers no solutions to its sufferers problems.

My personal opinion is men should never give up trying to ascend though. At the very least all men should be running passive game at all times.

 

[Mike32ct]

At the very least all men should be running passive game at all times.

Agree with all above. What would you consider passive game?

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Very true. And they have a derogatory term for productive/constructive activities: "copes."

This is one of the things I hate most about these guys. They consider everything a cope if you're not getting women. Immersing yourself in the world of art: cinema, museums, galleries beats sitting at home studying black pill any day of the week.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Agree with all above. What would you consider passive game?

1. Throw up a profile on dating sites, but don't message anyone. Only pursue women that message you.
2. While in public close women that come into contact with you. For example, a cute girl asking you where the starbucks is. Giver her your number or vice versa.

 

[Mike32ct]

I recommend men not watch black pill, mgtow, or pornography content. All 3 are toxic for the mind when consumed for too long. Overdosing on black pills is very real. I think everyone should have a basic understanding of lookism and know that 90% of the time when a guy gets rejected it's not really his fault. There are 1,001 shallow reasons why women will shoot you down. After that, move on from the black pill stuff. It's a defeatist mindset that offers no solutions to its sufferers problems.

Precisely.

The PUAs brainwashed guys into thinking that the "approach" needs the precision of a space shuttle takeoff, and if you are off in the slightest, you will be rejected. The reality is that women that are attracted to you are often forgiving of minor flaws and mistakes when you go talk to them. Unless you are doing something truly offensive like insulting her or staring non-stop at her boobs, it's not your approach that is the problem; you just aren't her type.

 

[Mike32ct]

This is one of the things I hate most about these guys. They consider everything a cope if you're not getting women. Immersing yourself in the world of art: cinema, museums, galleries beats sitting at home studying black pill any day of the week.

It's my personal belief that nobody should ever be "bored." If you aren't working (at work/business/school), there are so many other enriching, productive things that you can do. It's limitless.

 

[bat soup]

A friend of mine gathered together all of these different color pills, mixed them up and took them together. I'll see if he's alive.... no, he's dead.

 

[AttackFormation]

It's my personal belief that nobody should ever be "bored." If you aren't working (at work/business/school), there are so many other enriching, productive things that you can do. It's limitless.

Careful with that or youll paralyze them with choice overload on one hand and shame for not doing something that's "so easy" on the other.

 

[Mike32ct]

Careful with that or youll paralyze them with choice overload on one hand and shame for not doing something that's "so easy" on the other.

Yeah all joking aside, that is a real problem.

You finally think of something constructive that you want to do, but then you don't do it because you are worried about the opportunity cost. "Did I chose the best alternative as a use of my time?" <Some time later> "Ok time is up. I would have been better off just picking one (randomly) with a dart board and getting started."

I'm guilty of that.

 

[Medina]

Within the next 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of men are nearcel/incel.

The official figure is 30% but keep in mind men are not likely to admit their shortcomings openly

So the true figure is probably over 40% and nearing half of all men already

Many guys ARE incel but in denial. The human brain is weirdly strong at that

But hey, if we are heading to 50% at least you're far from alone (ironically)

 

[bat soup]

The world needs more sluts, otherwise it's going to be IncelWorld.

 

[Kitttydiet88]

The official figure is 30% but keep in mind men are not likely to admit their shortcomings openly

So the true figure is probably over 40% and nearing half of all men already

Many guys ARE incel but in denial. The human brain is weirdly strong at that

But hey, if we are heading to 50% at least you're far from alone (ironically)

I can see this happening if the online/virtual culture continues to gain ground. The top 10-20% of dudes in there will get 80% of the bangable women based solely on looks. The rest will have to fight over land whale scraps. Many will become bitter and give up.

Some say the solution is to simply unplug and approach in real life where more information can be conveyed through body language. However, this is easier said than done. The newer generations are growing up in largely virtual environments with very little social development. If generations of men before us with much better social skills struggled with approach anxiety, imagine what it will be like for your socially inept teenager today?

Much like Amazon, I think OLD is here to stay. We will all bear witness to a massive social experiment. Hopefully we can start adding reviews to OLD profiles. “He’s not much to look at, but he can f**** like it’s his part time job”. That might give some a leg up.