BLM, Racism, riots, entitlement's etc

[Alvafe]

Morality supersedes any written law. Unjust laws are not laws. As you guys love to bring up MLK... how many times was he arrested?

define morality, morality is relative the same way your religion, is based on where and when you are birthed

morality is a old discussion on phylosofical ground, you should read it, what is moral to one person is not for another, same for civilization and groups, its a moral thing to stone to dead someone for adultery and cut they hand if they steal? some people belive it is.

laws define how police will work, laws are made be politicians who want to keep they power and you working, goverments love to be inn control, hence everytime we made something new, eventually goverment want to put they little paw on it to control it, and more importantly tax it, laws don't care about morality, they care about you following then, and police enforce then.

how you know? lot of people in jail for false crimes, or because you pissed the wrong cop or person

 

[EyeBRollin]

I agree with have been. But what about today?

Lol. Bro we’re in the middle of a pandemic with origins in China. Is this even a question?

I thought there was more sexual racism against Asian men because of the amount WMAF couples the sexual stereotypes of Asian men. Do you think sexual discrimination, including discrimination from escort services from Black men should be part of the BLM conversation, or would that belong on another discussion elsewhere?

Different topic. We’re more concerned with institutional racism than who (still illegal) sex workers choose to service.

Are you talking about a different type of discrimination today? Reparations were paid to Japanese prisoners of war but never to slavery, so do really think they have it as bad as the rest of us?

It doesn’t matter who has it the worst. Asian Americans say they experience discrimination. Their experience doesn’t have to be compared to other minority groups to be credible.

What about how Blacks are treated in China?

Racism is all over the globe. However, my experience is in the US, so I only speak to what I know.

Did you ever get laid or in a relationship with an Asian women yourself before or do you feel discriminated against them?

Racism in dating is rampant but it is irrelevant to this conversation. I don’t care if a woman refuses to fvck black men. That is her prerogative.

This fight is against institutional racism; the state violating the human rights of black people.

 

[corrector]

This fight is against institutional racism; the state violating the human rights of black people.

Exactly. There is no police brutality/murder videos with Asian people, or employment discrimination. You just have some racist incidents about the virus. But there is no "Asian Lives Matter" issue.

In fact, racist whites can always say that why can't blacks and browns be like the model minority? If you want to include Asians in terms of the past, then while valid, you might also include Irish and Italians and Jews. They are also white but they are not considered fully white in the past or even half-blacks.

Also saying you don't have experience in China doesn't mean you haven't read or looked at videos of what is going on in China. For someone that seems as passionate and versed as you, I'd expect you to be up to date with this information. It's a cop-out to turn a blind eye to this.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Exactly. There is no police brutality/murder videos with Asian people, or employment discrimination. You just have some racist incidents about the virus. But there is no "Asian Lives Matter" issue.

That is not exactly true. And it’s veering off topic to be honest. Asian Americans by in large are sympathetic to BLM. And as I said pages back, while BLMs mission focuses on black people it includes all peoples including even white victims of police brutality.

In fact, racist whites can always say that why can't blacks and browns be like the model minority? If you want to include Asians in terms of the past, then while valid, you might also include Irish and Italians and Jews. They are also white but they are not considered fully white in the past or even half-blacks.

Racists whites are the least credible on topics of race. The “model minority” myth is interesting, as the true model minority in the US is West African immigrants (who are black people).

Also saying you don't have experience in China doesn't mean you haven't read or looked at videos of what is going on in China. For someone that seems as passionate and versed as you, I'd expect you to be up to date with this information. It's a cop-out to turn a blind eye to this.

Anti-black racism exists all over the world. As @Spaz has shown is, Asians can be hateful towards black people. But again, I think you’re veering off topic here.

BLMs mission includes all people but focuses on black people in the US, UK, and Canada - predominantly Western white countries with significant black communities and populations. It’s no “cop-out” to focus on the topic of discussion.

 

[corrector]

The “model minority” myth is interesting, as the true model minority in the US is West African immigrants (who are black people).

Like you said, veering off topic, but you called it a myth though, and that's quite loaded word for this type of topic. Do you care to elaborate on why you feel it is a myth? What is your opinion of Black militant movements or the new Black panther movements?

In case you want to avoid the question by claiming ignorance to the question, here is a video of a Black militia from a Black news channel:

 

[Spaz]

That is not exactly true. And it’s veering off topic to be honest. Asian Americans by in large are sympathetic to BLM. And as I said pages back, while BLMs mission focuses on black people it includes all peoples including even white victims of police brutality.



Racists whites are the least credible on topics of race. The “model minority” myth is interesting, as the true model minority in the US is West African immigrants (who are black people).



Anti-black racism exists all over the world. As @Spaz has shown is, Asians can be hateful towards black people. But again, I think you’re veering off topic here.

BLMs mission includes all people but focuses on black people in the US, UK, and Canada - predominantly Western white countries with significant black communities and populations. It’s no “cop-out” to focus on the topic of discussion.

Only 4 obvious racist in this entire thread, 3 blacks and 1 white, who keeps on harping abt their level of melanin.

Sorry buddy, as for Asians, specifically in SEA, there's millions of blacks here, we're been together with them for thousands of years.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

White men are not subject to racial discrimination in the United States. Therefore, they do not get declare if the United States is racist or not. The truth is in the lived experience of the US minority populations; black people, Native Americans, Asians, and non-white latinos.



Martin Luther King had a 75% disapproval rating on the day of his assassination. The attempt to whitewash his legacy is amusing. MLK would be considered a communist, BLM, Antifa radical in today’s society.

They put a video up on the site from 1961. I understand the position of the nation. But it did seem they would posture any minority activism for change of the system would be equated to communism. They wanted people to shut up and act like it's a perfect system.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I would prefer the men here to choose merit over the difference of skin color.

It's nice to know that many people don't know they're enjoying talking abt their melanin count.

Eventually the nation will get to this point maybe a 100 years or more, multiple generations having played on sports teams and cooperated together, eventually things would slowly change to a different view.

 

[zekko]

If you intend to vouch for @Kotaix intent then I can unignore him. But first please read what I'm about to say, and re-confirm if you feel that I've mis-interpreted @Koitaix's post.

My intent wasn't to discuss Kotaix, it was to talk about victim mentality.
Anyway, just so I'm clear, yes racism exists, and yes racism exists in the US.
I do not think the country overall is racist, however. This is reflected in the laws, discrimination based on the color of someone's skin is illegal. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, of course, and I certainly don't mean to imply that black people do not face their own unique challenges. But I resist some of the more extreme efforts (especially) to paint the country as irredeemably evil and racist. Trying to turn this into a country where all the citizens loathe it does not strike me as a productive thing. Look at it as a matter of frame.

Racism can only be dealt with on an individual basis. It only exists on a practical level when two individuals (or more) meet. That's where it is encountered, and that's where it needs to be worked out. Your experiences with employment, were these experiences in Canada or the US, just out of curiosity? In any case, finding a job isn't easy. I've applied for countless jobs without getting them, but your only choice is to apply for the next one (or start your own business, which is popular on this forum), or to give up and curl up in a ball.

 

[mickdollaz]

Racism in normal, natural and healthy. A simple glance tells us who is closely related to us genetically and therefore gives us some preliminary indication of who is trustworthy or not.

This of course is in lieu of actual communities based upon family and extended kinship ties. Every race and every nation engages in discriminatory, racially preferential behavior, favoring their own people over others.

How else would any nation survive? The US, attempting the exact opposite, is entering the depths of hell and despair.

 

[corrector]

This is reflected in the laws, discrimination based on the color of someone's skin is illegal.

It depends on how the laws are applied. If it's applied in a heavy-handed by the letter / book way to black people but then in an easy way with kid-gloves with many, many chances treatment with whites, then that's discrimination. The police and the DAs office have allot of discretion on what charges they put on people and how they prosecute or if they prosecute at all. If this is done in a biased way then it undermines the legitimacy of the system as a whole and the laws because people can see that it's not being applied in a fair way.

Your experiences with employment, were these experiences in Canada or the US, just out of curiosity?

Canada.

 

[mickdollaz]

Negroes are the biggest racists of all. They hate EVERYONE including themselves. This is why they are obsessed with the lightest skinned "black women" as exemplars of supposed "black beauty." Thandie Newton, Halle Berry, Rashida Jones, and so on. Basically, negroes admit that in order to beautiful, you have to have as little black blood as possible.

New Orleans' French Quarter was notorious for it's racism, with octaroons and quadroons favored over dark skinned negroes. Negro athletes either marry the lightest skinned black women or marry white women.

And yet negroes will burn down their own neighborhoods and everyone else's if whites despise negroes for completely legitimate reasons.

You just can't make this sh-t up.

That is not exactly true. And it’s veering off topic to be honest. Asian Americans by in large are sympathetic to BLM. And as I said pages back, while BLMs mission focuses on black people it includes all peoples including even white victims of police brutality.



Racists whites are the least credible on topics of race. The “model minority” myth is interesting, as the true model minority in the US is West African immigrants (who are black people).



Anti-black racism exists all over the world. As @Spaz has shown is, Asians can be hateful towards black people. But again, I think you’re veering off topic here.

BLMs mission includes all people but focuses on black people in the US, UK, and Canada - predominantly Western white countries with significant black communities and populations. It’s no “cop-out” to focus on the topic of discussion.

 

[corrector]

Tyler Perry, famous Black director, shares his thoughts on CNN. Interesting points.
He does not want the police defunded but reformed.
He doesn't care about taking down statues.
He is troubled by the above issues, and the fact that the BLM protests is getting hijacked by other groups and is giving the right-wing ammunition against the movement.

Thought about @zekko's arguements with his points raised.

 

[corrector]

Woman found hanging in her White Roommate's garage in McKinney Texas - UpnUpNews

Woman found hanging in her White Roommate's garage in McKinney Texas

upnupnews.com

Young Black lady lynched in her White roommate's garage. They call lynching "suicide" to cover their tracks. She was hanging there for three days while renovations were being made inside the home. She was from a South African immigrant.

 

[corrector]

Suicide or Lynching? Five People of Color Found Hanged in Less Than a Month - Left Voice

In the past month, the bodies of five people of color have been discovered hanging from trees. The police are labeling these deaths suicides, yet the families and community members disagree. Are these hangings the product of a new wave of lynchings by white vigilantes and the police? Content...

www.leftvoice.org

Further articles which support the idea that Black lynchings are deliberately covered-up as suicides as police are not interested in investigating these types of deaths as a hate crime. This is an overlooked issue of BLM and it's an issue dealing with how police are pursuing crimes when the murder victim is Black. Very sloppy police work to label homicides as suicides and just close the file with no investigations.

 

[zekko]

Martin Luther King had a 75% disapproval rating on the day of his assassination. The attempt to whitewash his legacy is amusing. MLK would be considered a communist, BLM, Antifa radical in today’s society.

Don't be badmouthing MLK. I am not saying he was popular with the status quo back then, those were different times. But he was a great man, he was dedicated to nonviolent protest (which ultimately made it more effective IMO), and I can read his speeches and agree with them today. Unlike the BLM "What we believe" page. BLM has more in common with the Black Panthers of the 60s than MLK.

Those who advocate for peace are often murdered, unfortunately.

 

[corrector]

List of African American inventors:

List of African-American inventors and scientists - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[corrector]

Don't be badmouthing MLK. I am not saying he was popular with the status quo back then, those were different times. But he was a great man, he was dedicated to nonviolent protest (which ultimately made it more effective IMO), and I can read his speeches and agree with them today. Unlike the BLM "What we believe" page. BLM has more in common with the Black Panthers of the 60s than MLK.

Those who advocate for peace are often murdered, unfortunately.

That is not really fair. MLK seemed more focused on unjust Jim Crow segregationist laws, voter repression while Black Panthers was more focused against police violence, especially in areas that were not under Southern Jim Crow laws but had Northern discrimination in housing, employment, and how police treated blacks. You also have to take into account that while the system has changed to a more colour blind system, the strategies to keep Black people down without being having overtly unjust laws have also changed which would make that type of resistance obsolete.

In fact, a Black Panther would have prevented a George Floyd police murder from occurring in the first place, while the BLM is a non-violent movement that would video the cop and let the word get out.

 

[zekko]

MLK seemed more focused on unjust Jim Crow segregationist laws, voter repression while Black Panthers was more focused against police violence

Right.

You also have to take into account that while the system has changed to a more colour blind system, the strategies to keep Black people down without being having overtly unjust laws have also changed which would make that type of resistance obsolete.

Strategies to keep Black people down? I guess you're talking about the Democrats.

In fact, a Black Panther would have prevented a George Floyd police murder from occurring in the first place, while the BLM is a non-violent movement that would video the cop and let the word get out.

BLM is a "reportedly" non-violent movement, obviously there are people within who plan and engage in violence, or people who get caught up in the moment and engage in violence. And they are allied with other groups who plan and engage in violence, or at the very least have other violent groups allied with them, and provide cover for them, either intentionally or inadvertently.

 

[corrector]

Strategies to keep Black people down? I guess you're talking about the Democrats.

No, I was talking more about the Southern Strategy adopted by the Republicans to win over white voters the Democrats lost during the civil rights movement, and in particular president Nixon and the War on Drugs strategy and the ushering of a new age of mass incarceration.

BLM is a "reportedly" non-violent movement, obviously there are people within who plan and engage in violence, or people who get caught up in the moment and engage in violence. And they are allied with other groups who plan and engage in violence, or at the very least have other violent groups allied with them, and provide cover for them, either intentionally or inadvertently.

Agreed. But that is not unlike other types of movements. Are you going to blame MLK for all the riots that followed in various cities after he was killed? Of course not. Just because violence follows after a non-violent movement (I'm not sure of the particulars of violence you are talking about) doesn't mean it's endorsed or promoted by the movement itself. You are phrasing it as though it is.

For the record, most violence I've heard about hitting the headlines are from the police antagonizing the protesters, federal troops coming in and throwing tear-gas at peaceful protesters in Washington so the president could do a photo-op and in Portland, or right-wing fanatics driving their cars through people. Whenever I hear of violence from protesters, it's usually really property being burned up or looted and I don't consider vandalism, looting, or burning up things to be violence.

Lets take the protests for Elijah Mccain. I'd say the police are like dogs against peaceful protesters and you had a car driving through them. Why are people so viciously triggered for to support police who bragged about murdering a nerd coming home from a convenience store?