BLM, Racism, riots, entitlement's etc

[Means1988]

You do what is right in the sight of God / doing the right thing. The Golden rule, "love thy neighbour as thyself".



No, it's not that simple because lots of whites will join side with the black cause because of the direct or indirect effects on their own society. The past Civil War was mainly white vs white, it was not a Haitian revolution. What is grossly immoral against blacks starts seeping and effecting "white society", just like it did before the first Civil War. Portland is mainly white people taking up the BLM cause.



There are other races beside white and black. America has become more globalized. You also have to include Asians and Hapas since allot of whites are settling for asian gf/wives and creating a new hapa demographic.

I have nothing against blacks, I came in IS at 9 years old in 98. I didn’t own a single slave or my family.

I should kneel for black people? Do whatever?
How can I say a black male is stronger or better looking or smarter or whatever than me?

Is that racist?

I love my skin, my hair, my heritage, should I ever kneel for another race?
Nah.

 

[corrector]

I have nothing against blacks, I came in IS at 9 years old in 98. I didn’t own a single slave or my family.

I should kneel for black people? Do whatever?
How can I say a black male is stronger or better looking or smarter or whatever than me?

Is that racist?

I love my skin, my hair, my heritage, should I ever kneel for another race?
Nah.

You should kneel to God who created all races. Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion at hand? Do you understand why people are taking a knee and what that symbolizes? Do you know what this thread is talking about? This is not a discussion of what race is better than another race but about human rights. Do you have a problem grasping that concept?

Nobody says you have to kneel or do anything. I dont kneel except when I am praying. You should make some sense if you want to say something so I have something to work with.

 

[zekko]

Do you understand why people are taking a knee and what that symbolizes?.

Yes, it means that they think the flag and the country is not worth standing for. It's basically another form of burning the American flag.

 

[corrector]

Yes, it means that they think the flag and the country is not worth standing for. It's basically another form of burning the American flag.

No they are intending to burn systemic racism and police brutality aspect of the country, not really anything else. The kind of stuff you are also opposed to (you believe in a fair and just society where people are judged on character rather than skin colour?)

You expected them to do that to a confederate battle flag instead? Would that make the message any more or less clear?

 

[corrector]

 

[zekko]

You expected them to do that to a confederate battle flag instead? Would that make the message any more or less clear?

There is no reason to involve a flag at all. Is there anyone on the entire planet who doesn't know that black people are objecting to police brutality? The NBA used to (and still do) come out to warm up in Black Lives Matter t-shirts, I think that's the first time I heard of it.

The kneeling comes from Colin Kaepernick, who according to him, one day he decided he wasn't going to stand for the flag, because the country was oppressing his people (never mind that this oppressive country was allowing him to earn millions of dollars playing quarterback). So he sat it out. Someone then told him maybe he should kneel because that was less disrespectful, so he did that, and others followed suit. The kneeling is because they don't think the country is worth standing for, because it's a racist oppressive country. At least be honest and own what you are doing.

This is the same Colin Kaepernick who said the 4th of July is a celebration of white supremacy. Kneeling for the anthem is the equivalent of burning the flag, and by the way I've seen plenty of protesters burning the flag during all this.

 

[corrector]

There is no reason to involve a flag at all. Is there anyone on the entire planet who doesn't know that black people are objecting to police brutality? The NBA used to (and still do) come out to warm up in Black Lives Matter t-shirts, I think that's the first time I heard of it.

Do you know how BLM start? People are aware that black people (and others) are objecting to police but the problem is there is no political will TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT and people, who are not affected by this, are too comfortable in their bubble to care enough to do something about it. Even white people in relationships, friendships or good co-workers, or white parents who adopt black children in Africa or elsewhere, etc... are in for a difficult road because they don't even get their privileged position until they see first hand the anti-black racism is hurting their loved ones.

The kneeling comes from Colin Kaepernick, who according to him, one day he decided he wasn't going to stand for the flag, because the country was oppressing his people (never mind that this oppressive country was allowing him to earn millions of dollars playing quarterback).

Let me ask you a question. What is the benefit for Colin, if he is earning millions of dollars, if a police can stop his car on the road, draw his gun and just point it at him and potentially shoot him if he goes for his identification in this glove compartment? What rights does he really have? What is Colin's insurance that a racist cop won't take off his body-cam and make up excuses? So first of all, I don't believe Colin has any special privilege just because he is making allot of money because money doesn't buy privilege with black people. The police don't go, "Oh, let me see how much money is on his bank account before I shoot him", they just see "black".

I can think of two examples where football players were subjected to police violence. In a city near Toronto, Canada, a black man was beaten up by a couple cops and he had to quit football and end his career because of how badly he got beaten up.

Football player who was beaten by cops pens letter of forgiveness

Orlando Bowen says he was brutally beaten by two police officers in 2004. Ten years later, he wants them to know he forgives them.

www.thestar.com

Here is another article of a Football player who was profiled by Las Vagas police:

Las Vegas police union disputes Michael Bennett's claim of profiling

A Las Vegas police association in a letter to the NFL commissioner disputed claims by Seahawk's Michael Bennett that he was racially profiled last month.

www.nbcnews.com

What was the benefit of being a football player, and earning millions of dollars, in these above cases?

This is the same Colin Kaepernick who said the 4th of July is a celebration of white supremacy. Kneeling for the anthem is the equivalent of burning the flag, and by the way I've seen plenty of protesters burning the flag during all this.

You are interpreting in kneeling for the anthem as burning a flag. I don't view kneeling as burning a flag so we have a difference of opinion. Kneeling is non-violent protest that sends a message. It says you are not proud of your country BECAUSE of this, not you hate your country.

Do you know how I view burning the flag? When people are killed by the police without having their day in court, or extra-judicial murders in a country that's supposed to be a beacon of democracy around the world? When other countries can mock the USA on how they treat black people, because of George Floyd and others, then that publicity didn't come from someone kneeling, it came from videos of police murders.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Don't be badmouthing MLK. I am not saying he was popular with the status quo back then, those were different times. But he was a great man, he was dedicated to nonviolent protest (which ultimately made it more effective IMO), and I can read his speeches and agree with them today. Unlike the BLM "What we believe" page. BLM has more in common with the Black Panthers of the 60s than MLK.

Those who advocate for peace are often murdered, unfortunately.

This is 100% objectively wrong. MLK was very much involved with organized labor and the dismantling of both white supremacy and capitalism. You are choosing to whitewash his history to fit your narrative.

John Lewis was the last remnant of his allies, and was very much supporter of BLM. MLK would be as well.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Tyler Perry, famous Black director, shares his thoughts on CNN. Interesting points.
He does not want the police defunded but reformed.
He doesn't care about taking down statues.
He is troubled by the above issues, and the fact that the BLM protests is getting hijacked by other groups and is giving the right-wing ammunition against the movement.

Thought about @zekko's arguements with his points raised.

Defunding the police is exactly the same as reforming the police. Only difference is defund has become a right wing attack slogan, causing many pro-reformers to disassociate themselves from it.

 

[corrector]

To be the devil's advocate. The country looks like its really going far into the left and its scaring younger people. This is coming from Russia Today news. Or is this fake news from a Russian owned news organization designed to sow further seeds of division on American society? Is Russia framing a narrative that is discrediting modern social movements?

 

[EyeBRollin]

To be the devil's advocate. The country looks like its really going far into the left and its scaring younger people. This is coming from Russia Today news. Or is this fake news from a Russian owned news organization designed to sow further seeds of division on American society? Is Russia framing a narrative that is discrediting modern social movements?

RT is a far-right propaganda outlet. No American should get their news from the Kremlin.

 

[corrector]

RT is a far-right propaganda outlet. No American should get their news from the Kremlin.

Maybe recently, but when I was watching them, say in 2011-2012 extensively they were quite leftist. I don't know what year they shifted.
I also used to listen to Info Wars extensively around the same time-period. I wouldn't have categorized them as right-wing either, but at some point later Info Wars with Alex Jones, became too toxic for me to even keep tuning in. He kept promoting these health products too. I guess everything went downhill after Trump came on the scene with both of these news channels. I still officially subscribe to RT because I feel its a mixed bag. They still interview Jesse Ventura and he's cool.

 

[zekko]

This is 100% objectively wrong. MLK was very much involved with organized labor and the dismantling of both white supremacy and capitalism. You are choosing to whitewash his history to fit your narrative.

John Lewis was the last remnant of his allies, and was very much supporter of BLM. MLK would be as well.

I'm not whitewashing anyone, all I said was that he was a great man, referring specifically to his dedication to nonviolent protest. I also liked his major theme that people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. I never said I agreed with everything he ever said.

I wouldn't presume to put words in his mouth, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if MLK would be supporting BLM if he was alive today. But John Lewis condemned the violence that the current protesters have engaged in, and I would expect MLK to have done the same.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I'm not whitewashing anyone, all I said was that he was a great man, referring specifically to his dedication to nonviolent protest. I also liked his major theme that people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. I never said I agreed with everything he ever said.

I wouldn't presume to put words in his mouth, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if MLK would be supporting BLM if he was alive today. But John Lewis condemned the violence that the current protesters have engaged in, and I would expect MLK to have done the same.

Yes. I also condemn the violence. The point is; you’re making a strawman argument. BLM =/= the outside agitators. The “violent protester” rhetoric is just anti-black red meat.

 

[zekko]

Yes. I also condemn the violence. The point is; you’re making a strawman argument. BLM =/= the outside agitators. The “violent protester” rhetoric is just anti-black red meat.

There are most certainly violent protesters, and many of their activities are planned, as you can see when they are handing out bricks and frozen water bottles to the crowd to throw at police. Where you see the violence, you see BLM spray painted all over the buildings or monuments. Whether or not they are part of BLM, they are at the very least using the BLM protests as cover to carry out their tactics. Antifa considers themselves allied with BLM, whether or not BLM considers themselves allied with Antifa. MLK had his protests in the daytime, because he knew violence is more likely to break out late at night.

My guess is many BLM protesters would like to keep it peaceful, but there are others who think violence is useful or necessary to bring about the change that they want.

Defunding the police is exactly the same as reforming the police.

I disagree with this statement. For instance, a nearby city has recently banned chokeholds and instituted more de-escalation training. Those are positive reform steps that have nothing to do with defunding. If anything, the extra training might cost more money, not less.

 

[FairShake]

I think it's very clear from the sustained protests that young White men and women are the primary instigators of our current uprising. They are inspired undoubtedly by police violence against Black people but I also think it shows the fractures in the White community, be it political, familial, or pharmacological. There is a lot more going on in their heads and families and community than just BLM.

What are they fighting against? Whatta ya got?

 

[stovepipe]

What are they fighting against? Whatta ya got?

They are in a sense paid actors who end up falling for the deception they are acting for.

 

[Who Dares Win]

RT is a far-right propaganda outlet. No American should get their news from the Kremlin.

Lol, truth and reality are true and real no matter who reports them and its evidence that proves it.

The fact that Clinton News Network decides to omit certain facts doesnt mean that such facts do not exists.

You should see western european news, they keep saying from decades that illegal immigrants are a precious resource cause they will pay our salary in few years....too bad that data say otherwise.

 

[corrector]

Lol, truth and reality are true and real no matter who reports them and its evidence that proves it.

The fact that Clinton News Network decides to omit certain facts doesnt mean that such facts do not exists.

You should see western european news, they keep saying from decades that illegal immigrants are a precious resource cause they will pay our salary in few years....too bad that data say otherwise.

What is wrong with Western Europe? Western Europe is way better off than the USA. They don't have Covid resurgence problems or mass riots because they have crazy police that love posing on HD torture porn videos. Their dollar is not at risk of collapsing either and they don't have enemy nations on the same scale as the USA. They are in a better place.

 

[Who Dares Win]

What is wrong with Western Europe? Western Europe is way better off than the USA. They don't have Covid resurgence problems or mass riots because they have crazy police that love posing on HD torture porn videos. Their dollar is not at risk of collapsing either and they don't have enemy nations on the same scale as the USA. They are in a better place.

Let me guess, you've never been to europe anywhere and get your infos from CNN?

Anyway that was not the point of my post, my post was about the press being completely unreliable and fake just like when they happen to willingly omit sharing details about the attackers.

We knew who the attackers were from russian today...even before than the local press, is it a coincidence?