Just a quick reminder for all you Christians out here...

[PeasantPlayer]

 

[corrector]

OK lucifer is not that devil. The word lucifer was a mistranslation in the Bible from st Jerome in the Latin vulgate. Lucifer means light bringer, it's the morning star what the Romans and others called the planet venus the planet of love, beauty and arts. It was mistranslated from the Greek Septuiginat.
And it's not about the "devil" it's about a fallen king from Babylon

If you read Daniel 10, the prince of Persia that blocked Daniel's prayer was referring to a demonic power of Persia not the human king of Persia. The prophet ISAIAH was talking both to the human king and the demonic power behind the king which was the devil. There are allot of black and white references to this in the NT, however if you are refusing to accept the NT there is not much I can do. I will point to your fallacy that the OT does not refer to the devil as I have done here abd explain how even the OT attributes devils behind earthly rulers.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

there is no Satan it's a made up concept. It doesn't exist in the Hebrew Bible its a Christian invention. Christianity has caused more suffering than almost any other religion. The Spanish inquisition comes to mind

Satan is real and everyone in historical times knew it. There are things you don’t know about dude. I’ll give you a tip. They speak Syriac/Aramaic and Latin.

Also, keep in mind that the Hebrew Bible has been changed over time as well. It’s pretty much a joke at this point jsut how much certain parts differ from one another lol

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Im sorry dude but you’re also the type of person to believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. The fact of the matter is, there is a group of elites conspiring about how to rule the world, and yes, they do engage in pedophilia and devil-worship. A year ago, people would have said I’m crazy, but now we all know that it’s actually true lol

So far, EVERYTHING you have ever said regarding this stuff is apophenia; her just drawing false correlations with religious texts and are saying that’s causal. You’re just wrong bro lmao

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Satan is real and everyone in historical times knew it. There are things you don’t know about dude. I’ll give you a tip. They speak Syriac/Aramaic and Latin.

Also, keep in mind that the Hebrew Bible has been changed over time as well. It’s pretty much a joke at this point jsut how much certain parts differ from one another lol

Im sorry dude but you’re also the type of person to believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. The fact of the matter is, there is a group of elites conspiring about how to rule the world, and yes, they do engage in pedophilia and devil-worship. A year ago, people would have said I’m crazy, but now we all know that it’s actually true lol

So far, EVERYTHING you have ever said regarding this stuff is apophenia; her just drawing false correlations with religious texts and are saying that’s causal. You’re just wrong bro lmao

I'm not wrong epstein has nothing to do with the bible. Neither does cultures who came before Christianity had a concept of Satan or an eternal place of fire. You're reading to much 3rd rate conspiracy theory websites by known hucksteers like David icke. The reptilian luciferian freemason illuminati lol. People have been doing evil before a concept of the Bible was even thought of for hundreds and thousands of years. If you have imaginary enemies seek help

 

[PeasantPlayer]

This guy posted random mistranslated quotes from a Bible that left dozens of books out and has been edited for hundreds of years as evidence for a devil. There is no linear coherence in the Bible. It's written by humans hence the chapters "Roman's" "Greeks" etc. It's a Mish mash hodge podge of nothing concrete. Posting random quotes form different chapters 100 of pages apart to make the devil real lol. There is none, take some responsibility for your actions and grow up and enjoy the mystery of life. Christians have killed raped molested and stole land foe hundreds of years as well as Islam

 

[PeasantPlayer]

My sources are astute biblical scholars who study this texts for a living learned different languages, and were formerly religious. They have read texts not available to the broad public, been on digs in Israel and work with historians museums around the world and other scholars, but no some pseudo player on sosuave with reads 3rd rate conspiracy theories to get web clicks and sell books like Dan brown is right

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

My sources are astute biblical scholars who study this texts for a living learned different languages, and were formerly religious. They have read texts not available to the broad public, been on digs in Israel and work with historians museums around the world and other scholars, but no some pseudo player on sosuave with reads 3rd rate conspiracy theories to get web clicks and sell books like Dan brown is right

Cool. And my source is the devil himself.

Mental gymnastics galore, that’s all I see lol

 

[Lynx nkaf]

Guys think that being the boss is a title, too often. A title doesn't make you the boss...just as you don't NEED a title to be the boss. Stop leading, and you're no longer the boss.

should be happening from first contact, first conversation, first time spent. Doesn't need to be boyfriend or fiance or husband title yet.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The "Adversary" is a continuing theme throughout the books of the Bible, not simply a misinterpretation of one verse of one book. Have you even read the Bible? You are certainly welcome and encouraged to debate the authenticity of such a character, but your argument loses credibility when you make such easily refuted errors. Don't take this personally, but too many atheists only read what other atheists have written about the Bible, and never bother to actually read it themselves; that's fine, until you debate someone who has. Just saying... As far as the name "Lucifer" goes, for the Adversary, yes, that was a mistake in the translation of the KJV, which relied too heavily on the Latin Vulgate, out of laziness...but there are numerous references to the Adversary, which is where the concept of the devil(more properly referred to as "Satan" ) is drawn from, not just that one verse.

The adversary is about warring kings and kingdoms hence it pooping up in the Bible. It's not even mentioned that much in the Bible. Ask yourself this who killed more people in the Bible God or Satan? Especially in the OT. This people have dedicated their life's to decoding the Bible, are you saying all these scholars are wrong and your write, even though you don't have any context nor any study in etymology or Latin, Hebrew Greek language?

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I literally posted a video on that Satan meant opponent it was used in many different contexts, to explain opponents of warring tribes, which the bible speaks of. Kings were called God's and opposing kings were called hasatan which were their opponents. Not a metaphysical entity

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The word satan is also used to describe human enemies such as Hadad the Edomite.
The use of the word “satan” gets a bit more complicated in the New Testament due to how many different languages the ancient texts were written in. Sometimes “satan” is used as a proper name, but other times the tradition of the Old Testament continues, and the word is used more as a descriptor than a name

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Giving the devil his due

In a new book, biblical scholar Henry Kelly says the devil is not who you think he is.

www.universityofcalifornia.edu

But that characterization doesn’t hold up under critical scrutiny of the Bible, says Henry Ansgar Kelly, UCLA distinguished research professor of English and one of the world’s leading experts on Satan. His 2006 book “Satan: A Biography” was a top seller for Cambridge University Press.

His latest book, “Satan in the Bible, God’s Minister of Justice,” combs through all the relevant passages of the Old and New testaments, tracking evidence of stories of the devil we think we know. The early appearances of the word “satan,” when literally translated from Hebrew, simply means “adversary.” None of the passages that use the word refer to an inherently evil spirit, Kelly said.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Read the book of Job. It's a quick read, and an early book. The serpent of Genesis is certainly an archetype of the adversary; the contrary isn't even arguable. The NT makes multiple references to Satan, and those authors weren't reading a misinterpretation of the KJV. Just let it go. Everyone makes mistakes...even atheists.

I did it's explained in articles I posted. Job is a story a metaphor

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Tragedy Led the Religion Scholar Elaine Pagels to Ask: What Is Satan?

How the author of “The Gnostic Gospels” came to contemplate the problem of evil.

www.google.com

All versions of the bible are mistranslated, edited, words and definitions changing etc the gospels were written 2 generations after christ appeared lol. Every version is tainted its documented and factual

 

[corrector]

Tragedy Led the Religion Scholar Elaine Pagels to Ask: What Is Satan?

How the author of “The Gnostic Gospels” came to contemplate the problem of evil.

www.google.com

All versions of the bible are mistranslated, edited, words and definitions changing etc the gospels were written 2 generations after christ appeared lol. Every version is tainted its documented and factual

While I entertain all versions, the Textus Receptus, which is the basis for the King James version Bible, is the most authoritative one. It is not one the corrupted Orgin manuscripts from Alexandria which as you've claimed produced corrupted versions of the Bible that was used in the pseudo-Christian Roman Catholic church. You have no context or background with the devil infiltrating Christianity with a false religion that combined the Pagan customs and created a State religion and how it relates to one of the Seven Churches that Jesus referred to as Thyatira, (Rev 2:18-29). This is the only church Jesus referred to as having Jezebel and people corrupted by her to commit fornication with her. Interestingly enough, another passage talks about the Mystery Babylon the Great ***** (Revelation 17), which is likely talking about the same religious institution as Thyatira with Jezebel (a term for a whorish woman). This ***** is drunk with the blood of the saints of God from the Spanish Inquisitions, and the many atrocities that you keep bringing up...BECAUSE IT'S MYSTERY BABYLON.

The reason I'm hitting you hard on this is that you are totally ignorant of the monstrosity of Roman Catholicism and what the Bible even talks about it in two passages in the book of Revelation. There are protestant sects, like Seventh Day Adventists, that believe the pope is the antichrist. Let this sink in. You like to paint Christianity with one brush and claim its Roman Catholicism and all Bible translations are false, however, this is your narrative.

For the record, the Protestant churches that broke away from the Roman Catholic church does not use Roman Catholic Bibles, so if you think all their Bibles are corrupt, then you can't say all Protestant groupings also use corrupt Bibles as you seem focused on just that church AND it's Bibles. Maybe you should do some more research with an open mind. I also know about Wesney and Hort and other later fake translations where they undermine Jesus as being the Son of God. This is stuff I learned in High School, two decades ago, and this is the first time in a while I'm rehashing information from that long ago.

 

[zekko]

I did it's explained in articles I posted. Job is a story a metaphor

That's the first thing you've said that I agree with. Job could be a true story, or it could be fiction. It makes no difference, it makes its point either way.

 

[corrector]

That's the first thing you've said that I agree with. Job could be a true story, or it could be fiction. It makes no difference, it makes its point either way.

There are scientific statements in the book of Job, ahead of its time, that indicates its factual.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

That's the first thing you've said that I agree with. Job could be a true story, or it could be fiction. It makes no difference, it makes its point either way.

I did it's explained in articles I posted. Job is a story a metaphor

Job was a real dude lol

The thing that doesn’t make any sense to me is firstly, how tf can you come up with all these supposedly fake stories? Who cares that much to just write all that stuff and then 1) not take credit for it, and 2) write those things in the first place? Like, I understand how parts of the Bible have changed over time (and some parts were quite literally plagiarized from the same unknown sources lol), but the fact is, those texts exist for a reason. You don’t get a huge, major world religion just popping up out of nowhere for no fkn reason lmao and you don’t get overwhelming scholarly consensus about certain aspects of said religion for no reason either. What you’re doing is, you will see what the majority of scholars say and will read what the most well-renowned scholars of religious texts say, and then hear one opinion of a heretical ‘scholar’ who in actuality is a nobody, and then declare the opinion of the heretical ‘scholar’ as correct and everyone else incorrect. Like....


?????

 

[zekko]

Job was a real dude lol

I have no idea if he was real or not, and I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other. It's a story, it makes its point, the end. I don't care if he existed or not. And I don't think it matters. Jesus taught in parables. Was there a real prodigal son? It doesn't matter if there was or not, the prodigal son was a metaphor, it's the point that matters.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I have no idea if he was real or not, and I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other. It's a story, it makes its point, the end. I don't care if he existed or not. And I don't think it matters. Jesus taught in parables. Was there a real prodigal son? It doesn't matter if there was or not, the prodigal son was a metaphor, it's the point that matters.

Well I mean Jesus was a real dude though, you can’t just say he didn’t exist. The “son of God” thing is up for debate though, as some take it literally, and others take it metaphorically (I’m of the opinion that it’s metaphorical but that’s just me).