Cleared it with the mods! A thread I’ve wanted to do for years. Post your real life picture let the community help fix your looks!(completely optiona)

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Thought I would join the bandwagon, 32 years old, 180 pounds
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180lbs? How tall are you? That seems a lot for your bone structure. Btw you should get a newer phone liek note 10 Plus, the new S20 Ultra or iPhone 11 Pro Max. The Moto phone you're using does not take crystal clear pics.

You got muscle but don't look like you weigh 180 though unless you're tall and that is the way the pic makes you look. You look like 160 to 165.
 

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180lbs? How tall are you? That seems a lot for your bone structure. Btw you should get a newer phone liek note 10 Plus, the new S20 Ultra or iPhone 11 Pro Max. The Moto phone you're using does not take crystal clear pics.

You got muscle but don't look like you weigh 180 though unless you're tall and that is the way the pic makes you look. You look like 160 to 165.
Not everyone is 122lbs at 5'9 like you, bro (not even girls). 5'8-5'11 at 180 is pretty normal depending on density, muscle mass, etc.
 

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180lbs? How tall are you? That seems a lot for your bone structure. Btw you should get a newer phone liek note 10 Plus, the new S20 Ultra or iPhone 11 Pro Max. The Moto phone you're using does not take crystal clear pics.

You got muscle but don't look like you weigh 180 though unless you're tall and that is the way the pic makes you look. You look like 160 to 165.
This was taking a few months back, im 5"11
 

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Not everyone is 122lbs at 5'9 like you, bro (not even girls). 5'8-5'11 at 180 is pretty normal depending on density, muscle mass, etc.
I wasn't bashing him. He's in shape and weight isn't an issues but was just interested how he's 180 because as a person he doesn't look huge.

I have a cousin who's about 6-4. He's heavy again but 12 years ago when he was working out hardcore and eating better he was down to 160lbs, looked too thin.
 

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This was taking a few months back, im 5"11
You're on the taller side so 180 isn't bad. All about the muscle. When I was 153lbs when I was younger I looked chunky because nearly all my weight goes into my chest, thighs and face and I had fairly skinny arms and legs even then.
 

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You're on the taller side so 180 isn't bad. All about the muscle. When I was 153lbs when I was younger I looked chunky because nearly all my weight goes into my chest, thighs and face and I had fairly skinny arms and legs even then.
I started training a few years before I joined the fire service, 4 times per week and eating 4000 calories a day I was thin back then 3 years later here I am it's all about gradual build up takes time.
 

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I started training a few years before I joined the fire service, 4 times per week and eating 4000 calories a day I was thin back then 3 years later here I am it's all about gradual build up takes time.
Are firefighters all in shape in your area like you're? IT's funny around here most of the firefighters are older guys, and they have big guts on them and don't look fit like you do. I wonder how do they pass the physical test? Do you have to do cardio? These guys around here would fall over. We have a few women firefighters and they're in better shape than these men are.
 

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Are firefighters all in shape in your area like you're? IT's funny around here most of the firefighters are older guys, and they have big guts on them and don't look fit like you do. I wonder how do they pass the physical test? Do you have to do cardio? These guys around here would fall over. We have a few women firefighters and they're in better shape than these men are.
No you find once guys have been in the service for a while let themselves go, the initial physical test when u apply for the service is quite difficult a bleep test then carry equipment test, ladder test etc all in the same day
 

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I'll take a guess and say I'm a bit older than you. I'm not trying to insult you, but I see women, dating, and relationships much differently than most men under the age of 35-40. I'm not saying my way is always 100% right, because it's all subjective.

If a man asks a woman out--he should pay for the date--period.

My mindset: I am the leader, the decision maker, I plan the date, I drive the date and conversation. I make sure things are flowing, lively, and she's having fun. I take care of the check too, because I can and want to. Any man in this day and age that asks a woman to split a bill—or expects it—after asking her out is 100% of the feminine mindset. I don't need "help" with by bills and finances and don't expect it or want it. Once again, I did the asking so I do the buying. This is Rule #1 in business and I carry it over to personal relationships too. Women today are DYING for a man who acts like a MAN. Just ask them. I lead in all interactions. If the woman is insistent on paying or splitting a check at a bar, fine, I won't arm wrestle her. It's a nice gesture. Otherwise, I take care of it and really DGAF.

Men and women have just been way too brainwashed the past couple decades to see each other as 100% equals. In some respects they are and can be, but in other cases, wait for it...there are differences between boys and girls. People need to get that through their head.

So, I DO NOT subscribe to the Millennial or Gen Z mindset of always being equal and/or expecting women to pay early on in a dating relationship. I've heard this before and think it's a stupid page out of some Alpha Male Want-To-Be Handbook. It would actually be emasculating for me to expect it.

Good luck to you.
Bro I get this but for the standard American hoe, it’s just not worth it, particularly if things didn’t go so well. If she seems really into you, then fine it’s whatever. But a lot of the times it’s hit or miss, especially with our generation. It’s not about ‘ekwaaalityyy’, it’s about ‘gurl powr!’ lol. Most men are such cucks that they’ll actually pay for a date when they knowdeep down inside they got no chance. Plus, let’s be honest here, the more a chick does for you, the more she will love you. Why? Because it means she’s more invested. If paying for your meetups is Rule #1 in business, then havibg her actually be somewhat invested in you is the class you take before you learn about the ‘rules’. It’s the same reason why so many crappy marriages last for years, couples don’t want to just ‘throw it all away’.

And like I said, entitlement. Most girls think they’re OWED a free meal. They’ll spout out their bull**** about how a woman doesn’t owe a man sex just because he takes her out—yeah okay, but a man doesn’t owe you a free meal just for talking to him nor does he owe you any help paying off your student loan debt just because y’all got married.

Truth be told, I’d rather be the guy bored cougars chase after than the guy who pays for their drinks jsut to get sloppy seconds. And I’d also rather be the who’s hated on for being a ‘mysoginist’ (lol) for not wanting to pay for a chick because she‘s used to leeching off of daddy’s money, even though they’re still attracted to me anyway haha

But I mean to each their own. If I find a girl I really like (....), I have no qualms taking care of her. But she has to do her part and take care of me. And not just sex, cuz otherwise I’d be paying for something that another guy got for free, and I think we can both agree—**** that.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Bro I get this but for the standard American hoe, it’s just not worth it, particularly if things didn’t go so well. If she seems really into you, then fine it’s whatever. But a lot of the times it’s hit or miss, especially with our generation. It’s not about ‘ekwaaalityyy’, it’s about ‘gurl powr!’ lol. Most men are such cucks that they’ll actually pay for a date when they knowdeep down inside they got no chance. Plus, let’s be honest here, the more a chick does for you, the more she will love you. Why? Because it means she’s more invested. If paying for your meetups is Rule #1 in business, then havibg her actually be somewhat invested in you is the class you take before you learn about the ‘rules’. It’s the same reason why so many crappy marriages last for years, couples don’t want to just ‘throw it all away’.

And like I said, entitlement. Most girls think they’re OWED a free meal. They’ll spout out their bull**** about how a woman doesn’t owe a man sex just because he takes her out—yeah okay, but a man doesn’t owe you a free meal just for talking to him nor does he owe you any help paying off your student loan debt just because y’all got married.

Truth be told, I’d rather be the guy bored cougars chase after than the guy who pays for their drinks jsut to get sloppy seconds. And I’d also rather be the who’s hated on for being a ‘mysoginist’ (lol) for not wanting to pay for a chick because she‘s used to leeching off of daddy’s money, even though they’re still attracted to me anyway haha

But I mean to each their own. If I find a girl I really like (....), I have no qualms taking care of her. But she has to do her part and take care of me. And not just sex, cuz otherwise I’d be paying for something that another guy got for free, and I think we can both agree—**** that.
So you mean I should continue to go on dates with cougars?
 

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Bro I get this but for the standard American hoe, it’s just not worth it, particularly if things didn’t go so well. If she seems really into you, then fine it’s whatever. But a lot of the times it’s hit or miss, especially with our generation. It’s not about ‘ekwaaalityyy’, it’s about ‘gurl powr!’ lol. Most men are such cucks that they’ll actually pay for a date when they knowdeep down inside they got no chance. Plus, let’s be honest here, the more a chick does for you, the more she will love you. Why? Because it means she’s more invested. If paying for your meetups is Rule #1 in business, then havibg her actually be somewhat invested in you is the class you take before you learn about the ‘rules’. It’s the same reason why so many crappy marriages last for years, couples don’t want to just ‘throw it all away’.

And like I said, entitlement. Most girls think they’re OWED a free meal. They’ll spout out their bull**** about how a woman doesn’t owe a man sex just because he takes her out—yeah okay, but a man doesn’t owe you a free meal just for talking to him nor does he owe you any help paying off your student loan debt just because y’all got married.

Truth be told, I’d rather be the guy bored cougars chase after than the guy who pays for their drinks jsut to get sloppy seconds. And I’d also rather be the who’s hated on for being a ‘mysoginist’ (lol) for not wanting to pay for a chick because she‘s used to leeching off of daddy’s money, even though they’re still attracted to me anyway haha
But I mean to each their own. If I find a girl I really like (....), I have no qualms taking care of her. But she has to do her part and take care of me. And not just sex, cuz otherwise I’d be paying for something that another guy got for free, and I think we can both agree—**** that.
YESSIR!
 

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If they’re actually hot. If they’re not, lol wyd
People say it's impossible for a 50 year old to be hot. Remember that one I like? But she only likes older guys though and didn't mind being friends. Remember she invited me to go to Tampa with her and her friend and I only briefly met her once.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Bro I get this but for the standard American hoe, it’s just not worth it, particularly if things didn’t go so well. If she seems really into you, then fine it’s whatever. But a lot of the times it’s hit or miss, especially with our generation. It’s not about ‘ekwaaalityyy’, it’s about ‘gurl powr!’ lol. Most men are such cucks that they’ll actually pay for a date when they knowdeep down inside they got no chance. Plus, let’s be honest here, the more a chick does for you, the more she will love you. Why? Because it means she’s more invested. If paying for your meetups is Rule #1 in business, then havibg her actually be somewhat invested in you is the class you take before you learn about the ‘rules’. It’s the same reason why so many crappy marriages last for years, couples don’t want to just ‘throw it all away’.

And like I said, entitlement. Most girls think they’re OWED a free meal. They’ll spout out their bull**** about how a woman doesn’t owe a man sex just because he takes her out—yeah okay, but a man doesn’t owe you a free meal just for talking to him nor does he owe you any help paying off your student loan debt just because y’all got married.

Truth be told, I’d rather be the guy bored cougars chase after than the guy who pays for their drinks jsut to get sloppy seconds. And I’d also rather be the who’s hated on for being a ‘mysoginist’ (lol) for not wanting to pay for a chick because she‘s used to leeching off of daddy’s money, even though they’re still attracted to me anyway haha

But I mean to each their own. If I find a girl I really like (....), I have no qualms taking care of her. But she has to do her part and take care of me. And not just sex, cuz otherwise I’d be paying for something that another guy got for free, and I think we can both agree—**** that.
I totally get what you're saying and agree with a lot of it. A lot of women are not worth the $. I do screen out the feminists, princesses, sluts, and women who feel they're owed a dinner. Nothing is 100% but I'm pretty good at focusing on women that have potential. Not all get second dates because I'm big on chemistry and my standards are very high. I'm selective on who I date, so the women I take out appreciate it. Most guys can't or won't screen and are so over-eager, yes, they drop big $ on sluts and losers. Not me. I only date high-interest, quality women.
 

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I'm selective on who I date, so the women I take out appreciate it.
I think a lot depends on the circumstances. A lot of guys here are just picking up girls for sex only, so yeah they might not want to take them to dinner or to pay the bill. Those are the guys who are saying don't waste your money on these hos and whatnot.

But if it's a girl you really like, I see nothing wrong with paying. If a girl asked me to her house and she cooked me a dinner, I wouldn't expect her to hand me a bill for half the groceries at the end of the night. I think some people are just drawing too many conclusions over this, when my feeling is really, who gives a sh!t? Pay if you want or don't, who cares?
 

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Yeah it's different reasons for different guys. Some guys like Atom pay because they need to to feel assured of their masculinity. Other guys like you pay just out of cultural habit. Other guys it's out of fear (although no one would ever admit it). And yet other guys it's because they basically regard her as a prostitute anyway so they don't care, and they think paying raises the odds of sex.
I can assure you it's not to "feel assured of my masculinity". There is no reason under the sun why I would need that assurance.

Men and women are wired in certain ways. When a man gets out of his twenties and matures, he learns to work the wiring to his advantage (if he's smart). I am extremely pragmatic in everything I do.

By the way, I discourage men from spending a significant amount of money on early dates. Dinner is out of the question, though lunch on an action date is on the table as far as I'm concerned.

Every man has a choice, when he is able to perceive the choice: Find and date upper-tier women, or stick with the common dregs. The upper tier, contrary to popular belief, are far from gold-diggers or users. They see the initial gesture, and then automatically reciprocate in kind in order to contribute to the relationship.
 

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I can assure you it's not to "feel assured of my masculinity". There is no reason under the sun why I would need that assurance.
Of course, no one would ever admit they do anything to feel assured of their masculinity. But here is what you just said with my bolding for emphasis:

Once a man is in his very early twenties, he should display leadership by paying for the date ... Women are desperately looking for MEN. Part of being a man is displaying leadership and dominance right off the bat. Asking or demanding to split the bill is as weak as weak can possibly be.
What else is that but assuring your masculinity through paying for the woman? Just admit it, Uncle Atom. It's no problem.

By the way, I discourage men from spending a significant amount of money on early dates. Dinner is out of the question, though lunch on an action date is on the table as far as I'm concerned.

Every man has a choice, when he is able to perceive the choice: Find and date upper-tier women, or stick with the common dregs. The upper tier, contrary to popular belief, are far from gold-diggers or users. They see the initial gesture, and then automatically reciprocate in kind in order to contribute to the relationship.
So it's OK to "not display leadership" and "be as weak as weak can possibly be" by spending insignificant amounts of money on a woman when you are making a first impression on her, but not later on, when you must switch over to spending more on her? And how does that mesh with you saying you should "display leadership and dominance" - masculinity - "right off the bat" by "paying for her", in the quote above?

Would she stop desiring you if you didn't pay for her?
 
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