75% of my dates end with a lay. Here is how I do it.

[cola]

Yo cola how often do these chicks stick around for? Why not just keep them on your plate for a while i.e. “we should do this again sometime” and then just invite her over instead of an actual date?

Sup ITDG, I do exactly this. By the time we are having sex, dates aren’t usually required anymore (unless I want ltr)or she is just legit fun to hang with like one of the bro’s. But generally I can then just start calling them directly over to play on the fly. If she dug the s*x you should be able to get numerous lays out of her.

 

[cola]

I used to follow this pretty closely but im just a little too jaded now, as of the past couple of months. I just can't bring myself to invest in dating anymore even though I closed at a similar ratio as you. Ironically I've had 4 ONS in the same period but I can't stomach investing... not the money but the time. Just drinks now, no daytime dates, no formal dinner or events.

Yo bro, do you actually try to have fun on your dates anymore? Like I’m legit trying to have a blast, usually she picks up on the good energy and ends up having a great time too. That’s why I spend a little extra to take chicks places I’d enjoy too.
Amusement parks, sporting events.. bro if she is legit into fitness sometimes I’ll even do a gym first date! I know you like to lift too, don’t know if you still into it since you moved.

When we went to the gym you were keeping up with me and the bro which is surprising cause most dudes can’t.

 

[EyeBRollin]

This is shaping up to be a neat discussion thread. Some of the points in the OP are spot on, but I have a philosophical difference on the efficiency of such a practice. For newer posters, this thread is encouraging some bad habits.

For starters, this is a poor template for getting any chick past that first lay towards a sustainable LTR because it establishes some bad patterns. Patterns are hugely important, as patterns with women cannot easily be broken in the future.

1) pre-date convos encourage poor phone usage. You're giving her permission to contact you via phone for useless conversation for as long as you interact with the girl

2) The first date is too long. This has a high chance of burn out, or being stuck with a chick you don't actually vibe with. Many posters on here struggle with getting women past the first month. If you want to last, you have to spoonfeed yourself to her.

3) The first date is too expensive. If the lay only is your goal, a hooker is cheaper. This is a poor strategy for OLD, which most guys are using these days. If you drop $150 on the first date, you gotta pony up more than that on special occasions. All future dates will have a tendency to feel anti-climatic.

4) First date lay "percentages" are meaningless. The only one that cares is the ego. If you bang 10 hot chicks out of 20 dates do you really feel better if you went 7 for 10?

Now, for the good:

Step two: Get her in YOUR car

It’s so much harder to get her back to your place if you drove separate cars to the date. When you drive you control the logistics. One way I get her into my car is by suggesting she drive to my place and then I drive to the date. I will say there is no need in both of us wasting gas, or we may have to pay for parking and no need for us to both pay 15-20$. It makes sense and I have never had an objection to this. Also, women like to be chauffeured around so it appeals to her femininity. It’s also masculine for the man to drive.

This is a great suggestion, one I employ regularly usually by the 3rd date.

For newer posters, the reason it works is because it cements the logistics for sex to happen.

Step three: Do involve alcohol.

This is a slippery slope, we don’t want her to be “drunk” per say to the point she doesn’t know what’s going on. Because I truly believe that’s rape. Especially if it was premeditated, but a glass of wine or two can really get a girls juices flowing if you know what I mean. When she starts getting giggly cut the drinking.

Agreed. Unless you're a Muslim man seeking a Muslim woman, I don't personally see any reason to date a woman that won't drink. Drinking fosters that romantic chemistry. Bottoms up!

Step four: Gradually touch her.

You want to touch her, but where a lot of guys screwup is they think kino means molesting her, grabbing her private areas her boobs and her butt this is not how you do this. Don’t act like a horny 11th grader. That’s not sexy. The way it’s really done is touching her erogenous zones subtlety.

Moving through a crowded area? Gently direct her from behind by placing your hand on her hip right above her waste.
If she had a necklace on comment on how nice it is and move her hair out the way for a “better look” and subtlety brush the side of her neck.

Look for these opportunities.

Generally, yes. The green light is when she touches you first.

Amusement park, take her to six flags. Get on all the rides, eat cotton candy and skip around like two kids with no worries.

You on a budget? Bar with a pool table. “Teach her how to play pool” see above about the subtle kino. if she knows how already it’s fun for both of you.

Bowling & miniature golf works too.

The Close: The return home.
Park your car and invite her in for a few. Don’t come up with some corny canned reason for her to come in “come look at my rock collection” no just say come in, assume the answer is yes and walk her to your door. Ask her to sit on the couch, offer her a drink and put your arm around her. Turn the tv on and find some cool sh*t to watch.
Look for the subtle signs, like when she puts her head into your chest, BE COOL this is where the magic happens but it’s also a lot of room for error. Let her gradually heat up, don’t rush this process! If you stay cool and let it flow you’ll know when to make the moves. When the moments right go for the make out, when you gauge she is ready and things are getting hot tell her come upstairs.

From here you should be gold.
Usually if I get them into the house I know it’s going down. The 25% rejection rate will usually come when they say nah I’m gonna go home when you invite them in. I have unintentionally used this strategy and I bang most girls first date, 2nd for sure and I usually don’t give a third these days. In the rare event I give a third it’s established through text we are fu*king.

These can be combined, but yes. All of this is textbook. I advocate 3rd or 4th date for this, not first. (See beginning of this post)

 

[corrector]

Step one: Setting the tone

The first step is in the pre-date convo. It is imperative that you get sex to come up as a conversation through text or phone convo.
You aren’t trying to come off as a creep or be overly perverse. All we are doing here is planting seeds.

it doesn’t have to be direct or be a conversation about sex with you but you have to get her to associate sex and you in the same thought pattern.

If you can start getting her to send nudes or near nudes before the first date you know you are on the right track. If anyone needs directions on what directions to take the convo to get the desired results I can help.

Step two: Get her in YOUR car

It’s so much harder to get her back to your place if you drove separate cars to the date. When you drive you control the logistics. One way I get her into my car is by suggesting she drive to my place and then I drive to the date. I will say there is no need in both of us wasting gas, or we may have to pay for parking and no need for us to both pay 15-20$. It makes sense and I have never had an objection to this. Also, women like to be chauffeured around so it appeals to her femininity. It’s also masculine for the man to drive.



Step three: Do involve alcohol.

This is a slippery slope, we don’t want her to be “drunk” per say to the point she doesn’t know what’s going on. Because I truly believe that’s rape. Especially if it was premeditated, but a glass of wine or two can really get a girls juices flowing if you know what I mean. When she starts getting giggly cut the drinking.

Step four: Gradually touch her.

You want to touch her, but where a lot of guys screwup is they think kino means molesting her, grabbing her private areas her boobs and her butt this is not how you do this. Don’t act like a horny 11th grader. That’s not sexy. The way it’s really done is touching her erogenous zones subtlety.

Moving through a crowded area? Gently direct her from behind by placing your hand on her hip right above her waste.
If she had a necklace on comment on how nice it is and move her hair out the way for a “better look” and subtlety brush the side of her neck.

Look for these opportunities.

Step five: She has to have fun on the date.
I am the king of dates. My dates are fun because I make sure I have fun. Few examples:

The Baltimore Orioles suck, $100 gets two great seats. Every chick I’ve taken to a baseball game first date has loved it. Orioles game + two hot dogs and a few drinks at a bar after about $130 bucks. Do not miss the opportunity to joke about how much of the hot dog she puts in her mouth
See above about planting seeds.

Amusement park, take her to six flags. Get on all the rides, eat cotton candy and skip around like two kids with no worries.

You on a budget? Bar with a pool table. “Teach her how to play pool” see above about the subtle kino. if she knows how already it’s fun for both of you.

Bowling & miniature golf works too.

The Close: The return home.
Park your car and invite her in for a few. Don’t come up with some corny canned reason for her to come in “come look at my rock collection” no just say come in, assume the answer is yes and walk her to your door. Ask her to sit on the couch, offer her a drink and put your arm around her. Turn the tv on and find some cool sh*t to watch.
Look for the subtle signs, like when she puts her head into your chest, BE COOL this is where the magic happens but it’s also a lot of room for error. Let her gradually heat up, don’t rush this process! If you stay cool and let it flow you’ll know when to make the moves. When the moments right go for the make out, when you gauge she is ready and things are getting hot tell her come upstairs.

From here you should be gold.
Usually if I get them into the house I know it’s going down. The 25% rejection rate will usually come when they say nah I’m gonna go home when you invite them in. I have unintentionally used this strategy and I bang most girls first date, 2nd for sure and I usually don’t give a third these days. In the rare event I give a third it’s established through text we are fu*king.

The first step here is the most interesting because you are now assuming every girl out there has nude photos of herself circulating around. You could upload her photos and spread her around.

To me this would be a short circuit conquest. If you have photos of her nude or hardcore why not just make this into a new type of real porn collection and fap on all this? I mean it is more thrilling because its real women. A real conquest means risking STD and more risks.

Its hard to believe most women I am interacting with on a day to day basis has nudes or other photos of themselves. This really is the most red pill thing if that is the case.

So do you ask cashiers when you check out if they have nudes they can send to you? You ask anyone? They comply?

 

[cola]

This is shaping up to be a neat discussion thread. Some of the points in the OP are spot on, but I have a philosophical difference on the efficiency of such a practice. For newer posters, this thread is encouraging some bad habits.

For starters, this is a poor template for getting any chick past that first lay towards a sustainable LTR because it establishes some bad patterns. Patterns are hugely important, as patterns with women cannot easily be broken in the future.

1) pre-date convos encourage poor phone usage. You're giving her permission to contact you via phone for useless conversation for as long as you interact with the girl

2) The first date is too long. This has a high chance of burn out, or being stuck with a chick you don't actually vibe with. Many posters on here struggle with getting women past the first month. If you want to last, you have to spoonfeed yourself to her.

3) The first date is too expensive. If the lay only is your goal, a hooker is cheaper. This is a poor strategy for OLD, which most guys are using these days. If you drop $150 on the first date, you gotta pony up more than that on special occasions. All future dates will have a tendency to feel anti-climatic.

4) First date lay "percentages" are meaningless. The only one that cares is the ego. If you bang 10 hot chicks out of 20 dates do you really feel better if you went 7 for 10?

Now, for the good:



This is a great suggestion, one I employ regularly usually by the 3rd date.

For newer posters, the reason it works is because it cements the logistics for sex to happen.



Agreed. Unless you're a Muslim man seeking a Muslim woman, I don't personally see any reason to date a woman that won't drink. Drinking fosters that romantic chemistry. Bottoms up!



Generally, yes. The green light is when she touches you first.



These can be combined, but yes. All of this is textbook. I advocate 3rd or 4th date for this, not first. (See beginning of this post)

Thanks for taking the time to break it down. I didn’t know so many guys on this forum were even that interested in LTRs. So perhaps if you are some of this advice isn’t for you.

Me? Personally? I’m not looking for Mrs Right I’m looking for Mrs RightNow usually so I guess I play by different rules than some.

 

[cola]

The first step here is the most interesting because you are now assuming every girl out there has nude photos of herself circulating around. You could upload her photos and spread her around.

To me this would be a short circuit conquest. If you have photos of her nude or hardcore why not just make this into a new type of real porn collection and fap on all this? I mean it is more thrilling because its real women. A real conquest means risking STD and more risks.

Its hard to believe most women I am interacting with on a day to day basis has nudes or other photos of themselves. This really is the most red pill thing if that is the case.

So do you ask cashiers when you check out if they have nudes they can send to you? You ask anyone? They comply?

I legit feel like 90% of women under 30 have some sort of nudes on there phone.

 

[EyeBRollin]

This guarantees nothing. Ive been in countless kino sessions and nothing has happened.
Im saying push her hand away and dont let her touch you for the time being. If lay only is not your focus. Let her touch when you decide.
Believe this. If a girl touches you in a sexual way and you immediately dive all in you just lost the chase.

You're overthinking it a bit. Women touch you when they like you. When they like you a lot, they can't keep their hands off you!

 

[BJP1991]

Cola - how often do you text these girls after a first or second date? Does that change if you hooked up with them or not already?

It sounds like pretty regular texting? Or am I mistaken?

thanks!

 

[cola]

Cola - how often do you text these girls after a first or second date? Does that change if you hooked up with them or not already?

It sounds like pretty regular texting? Or am I mistaken?

thanks!

Ok, if I meet a chick at a bar. I’m texting her right away and the next day. Conventional wisdom says that’s wrong wait a few days but that just doesn’t work anymore. Their attention spans are too quick you have to strike while the irons hot now.

Till I get her on the date it’s just an ongoing conversation for a week. Sometimes I stop responding for hours, sometimes days but I keep the convo rolling.

The old timers on this forum don’t understand this. They stuck in their ways. They used to say only text to set up dates that just doesn’t work anymore.

After I bang the texting frequency drops dramatically. Usually now she is initiating, and I’m only texting to link up. She may get an occasional “Gm” or something but now I’m reverting back to old school ways and texting to hang out mostly.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Ok, if I meet a chick at a bar. I’m texting her right away and the next day. Conventional wisdom says that’s wrong wait a few days but that just doesn’t work anymore. Their attention spans are too quick you have to strike while the irons hot now.

Till I get her on the date it’s just an ongoing conversation for a week. Sometimes I stop responding for hours, sometimes days but I keep the convo rolling.

The old timers on this forum don’t understand this. They stuck in their ways. They used to say only text to set up dates that just doesn’t work anymore.

After I bang the texting frequency drops dramatically. Usually now she is initiating, and I’m only texting to link up. She may get an occasional “Gm” or something but now I’m reverting back to old school ways and texting to hang out mostly.

This is an interesting contradiction. You say it doesn’t work, then do exactly that after you get the bang.

Truth is anti-texting does work... guys are just obsessed with protecting their ego from flakes.

I banged 18 new women in 2019, and 5 repeat offenders (1 ex) from previous years that came sniffing for more. I don’t text at all outside of logistics.

In 2020, I’m already at 2 new lays.

 

[cola]

This is an interesting contradiction. You say it doesn’t work, then do exactly that after you get the bang.

Truth is anti-texting does work... guys are just obsessed with protecting their ego from flakes.

I banged 18 new women in 2019, and 5 repeat offenders (1 ex) from previous years that came sniffing for more. I don’t text at all outside of logistics.

In 2020, I’m already at 2 new lays.

Yes, after I lay I don’t really care anymore. Especially if she was subpar in bed. I know it sounds cold but at this stage of my game it’s the reality.

I’m of the school of thought when a girl has 5000 Instagram followers she is getting 50 DMs a day from guys shooting their shot, then if she’s on tinder that’s another 50 and cold approaches outside.

It’s hard to compete when you only text logistics. I feel like only texting logistics is an outdated concept that worked pre instagram and we need to evolve game. I guess I’m the leader of my own new school.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Yes, after I lay I don’t really care anymore. Especially if she was subpar in bed. I know it sounds cold but at this stage of my game it’s the reality.

I’m of the school of thought when a girl has 5000 Instagram followers she is getting 50 DMs a day from guys shooting their shot, then if she’s on tinder that’s another 50 and cold approaches outside.

It’s hard to compete when you only text logistics. I feel like only texting logistics is an outdated concept that worked pre instagram and we need to evolve game. I guess I’m the leader of my own new school.

Philosophical difference - I'm of the mindset there is no competition.

If Chad and I meet the same chick, shes ultimately going to end up with the one she likes more. No amount of either of us blowing up her phone will change that. However, the longer things progress the more likely I am to still have her hooked. Slow and steady wins with women.

 

[biggoal]

Then skip that step. Also the ages I date are generally 21-32 so I’m not even sure how this would work on an almost 50 year old chick. Why do you date women so old anyway? If you are 50 your target range should be 35-40. Does 50 year old p*ssy even get wet anymore?

Lord willing if I’m blessed to reach 50 and still be attractive I’m just whipping my d*ck out. By now she should have no games left in her to play and know the drill. Your probably the only guy who wants to date her 50 year olds don’t get approached. There is no reason not to be bold with her. It could literally be a year between this date and her next date.

For a 50 year old woman you truly are the prize, unless she is Halle Berry or Selma Hayek.

Because around here the 40 plus yr old ones are better looking on old than the rare under 35 whose usually a land whale.

Old is the only thing I use to get dates.

 

[cola]

Because around here the 40 plus yr old ones are better looking on old than the rare under 35 whose usually a land whale.

Old is the only thing I use to get dates.

Why is OLD the only thing you’re using to get dates? OLD is only one tool in the belt you limit yourself.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Because around here the 40 plus yr old ones are better looking on old than the rare under 35 whose usually a land whale.

Old is the only thing I use to get dates.

You need to move, man. Need more options.

 

[17 shots]

Another couple texts that can easily transition to sexual talk are, do you like to kiss? Are you affectionate?

I know it sounds simple, but you'd be surprised where this can go if she's physically attracted to you

 

[17 shots]

Your asking a girl if she likes to kiss??
Com on man LOL

...Yes

 

[17 shots]

Your asking a girl if she likes to kiss??
Com on man LOL

You're really starting to get on my nerves lmao...Don't come at me crazy after I helped you out with your weak ass thread. Do you think I gave af about ozzy? I did that for YOU

 

[EyeBRollin]

...Yes

Corny.

 

[17 shots]

Corny.

It's been tested several times, and I've got nudes several times from it. If u don't think it can work then ok. I won't argue with u