article (a generation ago): Short Guys Finish Last

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If you’re short, you have to be best in other areas. Your physique can’t ever be enough to get the immediately. I’m pretty short (5’7), and while I have less one night stands I do tend to bed them over time through displaying strong inner game.

Also, other aspects of your physique help a lot. One can be short but fit. Having a strong, muscular build and sense of style can at least blunt a height disadvantage.

Also, I’ve noticed that all my one night stands are with really short (5’2 or shorter) women. Perhaps when there’s any significant height difference they don’t notice a guys overall height as much..?
Right.

If there are short guys then there's definitely short girls too.

If a man is 5'7" then he should search around for women who are at least 4" shorter.

If u r 5'5" then find girls that's 5'1".

Whats the problem? There's millions upon millions of short girls everywhere.

Some guys here keep on giving ludicrous excuses of them being bottom feeders.
 

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Right.

If there are short guys then there's definitely short girls too.

If a man is 5'7" then he should search around for women who are at least 4" shorter.

If u r 5'5" then find girls that's 5'1".

Whats the problem? There's millions upon millions of short girls everywhere.

Some guys here keep on giving ludicrous excuses of them being bottom feeders.
4 inches is a little extreme. I see lots of girls with guys just slightly taller or about same height. My mother for example is only 5-2 so her eyes just barely reach the very bottom of my chin, just makes it odd when talking to someone close up when they're that much shorter than you.

5-5 is about the right height for a woman. Once in the 5-10 and above range they just look too manly unless they have an HB10 face.
 

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Personally for me, I was born handsome so I relate to someone more like spaz who claims he’s never had to do anything other than pursue his purpose.
Guys who don't have to do anything are called naturals. Game has always been for guys who didn't have the looks to attract a lot of women naturally. Some have called Game the male counterpart to feminism, which has been said to benefit unattractive women. If you aren't attractive, a woman isn't going to care about your internal dominance, she probably won't even notice you.

I've never had the looks to be able to attract women solely on that basis, no matter how in shape I was. Usually they have to get to know me a little first. I mean I have attracted women on looks alone before, but it isn't going to happen often enough to be satisfying. That's why they call it "getting lucky".

I'm not big on using game tactics though, I'm not looking to trick women or manipulate them into having sex with me. The most important thing for me is to keep a strong frame, and to be myself. This way I've been able to get women on my wavelength, without looking like a weirdo PUA. The main thing is that women want strength, so encourage strong traits within yourself, and discourage weakness (in all its forms). This isn't only to get women, it's to your benefit also, because men are naturally designed to be masculine. So pursue it, and own it.

If there are short guys then there's definitely short girls too.
From what I've seen, short women like tall guys just as much as taller women. Short women might feel more vulnerable and have trouble reaching things. A tall man gives them protection and some of the advantages they are missing out on because of their height. But they still have to look up to a man who isn't that tall, so I guess the odds would be better with a 5'2" woman than a 5'11" woman.
 

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4 inches is a little extreme. I see lots of girls with guys just slightly taller or about same height. My mother for example is only 5-2 so her eyes just barely reach the very bottom of my chin, just makes it odd when talking to someone close up when they're that much shorter than you.

5-5 is about the right height for a woman. Once in the 5-10 and above range they just look too manly unless they have an HB10 face.
No, men on average are 5-6” (10%) taller than women. Ideally myself being a 5’7 guy would have a girl 5’1-5’2. A woman closer to your own height most likely will breed a taller son.
 

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4 inches is a little extreme. I see lots of girls with guys just slightly taller or about same height. My mother for example is only 5-2 so her eyes just barely reach the very bottom of my chin, just makes it odd when talking to someone close up when they're that much shorter than you.

5-5 is about the right height for a woman. Once in the 5-10 and above range they just look too manly unless they have an HB10 face.
4" is just nice, a minimum standard that I hold myself to, however since I'm taller then 5'10, then most of the women I date is around 6" shorter.

The reason why 4" is the minimum, is to allow ur date not to look awkward when she is in high heels.

No matter how tall a man is or how short he is, his date should always be shorter then him.
 

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No, men on average are 5-6” (10%) taller than women. Ideally myself being a 5’7 guy would have a girl 5’1-5’2. A woman closer to your own height most likely will breed a taller son.
Funny, I got a vendor at work who's like 5-4, very stocky, his wife is maybe about 5-5, similar height, BUT his two sons are like 6-3, 6-4 and small bone and skinny, but in the face they look just like their parents, especially their father, nearly identical to dad except very tall and built better.

I'm trying to figure that one out still. If they put on some muscle they could be Chad lites or Chads possibly. Typical skinny 18 year olds.
 

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4" is just nice, a minimum standard that I hold myself to, however since I'm taller then 5'10, then most of the women I date is around 6" shorter.

The reason why 4" is the minimum, is to allow ur date not to look awkward when she is in high heels.

No matter how tall a man is or how short he is, his date should always be shorter then him.
Always thought heels are dumb. I just don't see how they're comfortable to wear at all for long periods and look dangerous too as they can get caught. Here in Floriduh I don't see heels a lot. This part of the state women wear sandal type shoes or more toned down shoes. In general here in FL people just don't get dressed up as much. I guess due to the warm weather and heat. Even at nice dinner places they don't dress that appropriate. Nothing like up north.

I don't care if a woman wears heels or not. The face, smile and torso are most important. I prefer slim women. Carrie Underwood for example isn't tall and I'd totally would smash her LOL.
 

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Guys who don't have to do anything are called naturals. Game has always been for guys who didn't have the looks to attract a lot of women naturally. Some have called Game the male counterpart to feminism, which has been said to benefit unattractive women. If you aren't attractive, a woman isn't going to care about your internal dominance, she probably won't even notice you.

I've never had the looks to be able to attract women solely on that basis, no matter how in shape I was. Usually they have to get to know me a little first. I mean I have attracted women on looks alone before, but it isn't going to happen often enough to be satisfying. That's why they call it "getting lucky".

I'm not big on using game tactics though, I'm not looking to trick women or manipulate them into having sex with me. The most important thing for me is to keep a strong frame, and to be myself. This way I've been able to get women on my wavelength, without looking like a weirdo PUA. The main thing is that women want strength, so encourage strong traits within yourself, and discourage weakness (in all its forms). This isn't only to get women, it's to your benefit also, because men are naturally designed to be masculine. So pursue it, and own it.


From what I've seen, short women like tall guys just as much as taller women. Short women might feel more vulnerable and have trouble reaching things. A tall man gives them protection and some of the advantages they are missing out on because of their height. But they still have to look up to a man who isn't that tall, so I guess the odds would be better with a 5'2" woman than a 5'11" woman.
Those so called naturals you see during high school usually ends up as losers even with their good looks etc when they're well into their adult life.

As for game, it's highly misleading and downright wrong to get young men to conform to it.

Many will end up delusional and bitter should they take up this path.

It is highly irresponsible for us to guide men down that road.

The reason is simple.

Game for all intents and purposes MUST = ur inherently born traits (passive/dominant) + ur childhood upbringing AND how you think AND how you do things in real life.

Each influences the other.

But that is also ur frame.

Since a man cannot change his inherent traits nor can he change his upbringing then the only thing he could do is change "how he thinks" to influence "how he does things".

If he were to absorb PUA teaching into "how he thinks", it will not necessarily be in sync with the other parts of his frame, hence failure.

That's why you keep on seeing brilliant young men here, who has read the DJ Bible from top to bottom countless of times still not making headway, because it doesn't suit to their particular inherent trait/upbringing.

The only viable solution that works for ALL type of men is by learning MASCULINITY.

Masculinity is just a code of conduct.

And masculinity has always been attractive to women no matter her age.

Even grannies love masculine men, even babies love em.

Does this finally makes sense to you Zekko?
 

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4" is just nice, a minimum standard that I hold myself to, however since I'm taller then 5'10, then most of the women I date is around 6" shorter.

The reason why 4" is the minimum, is to allow ur date not to look awkward when she is in high heels.

No matter how tall a man is or how short he is, his date should always be shorter then him.
I dated a 6’ tall former Miss California. She was that height without heels. Being a shorter guy it never bothered me. Though I do impose a height restriction in the other direction (none shorter than 5’1).
 

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I dated a 6’ tall former Miss California. She was that height without heels. Being a shorter guy it never bothered me. Though I do impose a height restriction in the other direction (none shorter than 5’1).
What year was she so I can look her up :) how did you pull that off without being a Super Chad? those women I'm sure have a HUGE ego.

Unless it was an HB10 face as I said that's just too manly for a woman.

At my part time job we did have a chick who was short, like 5-1, but minus that would be HB9. A slim figure, petite but slim, perfect face, body and everything. If she were 5-5 she would push HB10. Married though so no go there but was only like 24 or so.

If a woman is short like 5-1 but otherwise has a perfect everything else I see no reason why it shouldn't be a no go.

I feel so stupid though and wish I found this forum back then. When I first joined match I came across an HB8.5 to 9 30 year old brunette, Great shape everything but was listed 5-1. I wanted 5-2 min. Anyway she was 30 miles from me and we chatted back and forth and SHE asked me if we wanted to meet at so so and I said it was too far and cut it off. Because she was listed one inch too short. Otherwise was a very attractive lady and seemed really nice.

So fast forward to last month. I go on the facebook dating App and come across her! She has better profile pics on the facebook dating app that showed her body and face pretty clear and I saw she was solid HB 8.5 to pushing 9, not the high end 7 the match pics looked like. She was pretty hot, perfect teeth, face, everything and in good shape but just on the short side.

I messaged her and told her who I was and all and that and how we talked on match. Well, no reply back from her.

I just felt so mad because of a stupid judgement call on my part I missed out on a high end HB who actually asked ME to meet up all because she was listed an inch shorter. And add to the fact she was never married and pre wall as well and more age appropriate for me.
 

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The heightpill is real and it is merciless...... I'm 5'10.5" (maybe even 5'11" when I first wake up in the morn) and I've been called short....
Wow, you heightmog me by more distance than my manhood. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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