Does a Low SMV Affect who I should approach?

[nicksaiz65]

I finally stepped up and got my looks rated. I knew I had some work to do, but I am HURTING lol. I'm a 4.5/10, and based on my experiences in the field that's about right. No wonder I have issues with flaking. Every time I've been able to pull a hotter chick, it's been because I'm using my local status.

Of course I'm working on the issue. I've been hitting the gym HARD in the past 2 months. I think that by the end of my Winter Break, I should be able to raise myself up to a 5/10.

That's still not a great appearance rating though, unfortunately. And if you can't pass her looks test, your Game is null and void. We all know how superficial girls are.

I'm concurrently working on my Game so that by the time my looks are dialed, I don't ruin it with the hot girls through sh*tty Game. Namely, I need to get more sexual experience. So I'm going to do 120 DayGame Cold Approaches over my Winter Break.

But I'm wondering... Is it worthless for me to approach 7-8/10 chicks with this low appearance rating, even with the Numbers Game? Should I only focus on chicks 5/10 or below while I build up my appearance? That would be average looking chicks or chubby chicks(unfortunately. Gotta get my looks up.) I'm just wondering if that's a good strategy while I approach so I can have success until I build up my looks to 6.5-7/10, plus not get rejected 100 times in a row.

Roosh V says that your looks score tells you what kind/rating of girl you should focus on if you don't want to experience sustained rejection and failure.

Or is that a dumb strategy? Maybe I should play Numbers hard even with the attractive girls, and maybe I get lucky even with my low appearance rating.

Let me know which route you all think I should go.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Get, i can make you confident by paul mckenna.

The frame of the question is self esteem obstacle.

So, you're not chad or Tyrone. Whatever. Play your hand.

In a semester, you're a comp sci major. By 30, you can be making a quarter mill. The girls carry a trillion in student debt.

The biggest asset you have is youth. You can do a todd v bc, you can travel, bank money, buy property by mid 20s.


Hit the gym, lift, looks max, get paper right, always step game up.


Get experience but avoid a on campus rep. I don't care what people think but a kangaroo court room for false accusations will ruin you. My mate had it happen. No charges. Police report or jail time cause it didn't happen. Psychologically, he's ****ed many years later.

Stick to the script. You're doing good. Enjoy your journey man. You are only young once playboy.

Keep me posted.

 

[Hal9000]

I would approach women you find attractive. Don't limit yourself only to the low-hanging fruit or you will never be satisfied with your situation. You need to be somewhat realistic and not approach 10s exclusively but don't sell yourself short and only shoot for 5 or less. Most guys end up with women who are more attractive than they are.

 

[corrector]

Numbers game full throttle.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I would approach women you find attractive. Don't limit yourself only to the low-hanging fruit or you will never be satisfied with your situation. You need to be somewhat realistic and not approach 10s exclusively but don't sell yourself short and only shoot for 5 or less. Most guys end up with women who are more attractive than they are.

+1

The older I get, the more I enjoy having a flirt, and picking up young girls. Even a 18+ 6/10 cute but plain Jane > hotter epiphany phase, post CC lookin to get right with JeBus lol. I have picked up girls who are not conventional my type or hot but super feminine, bubbly enthusiastic, and All-In Desire. The baeee who just follows your lead. There is no ambiguity with desire.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

I finally stepped up and got my looks rated. I knew I had some work to do, but I am HURTING lol. I'm a 4.5/10, and based on my experiences in the field that's about right. No wonder I have issues with flaking. Every time I've been able to pull a hotter chick, it's been because I'm using my local status.

Of course I'm working on the issue. I've been hitting the gym HARD in the past 2 months. I think that by the end of my Winter Break, I should be able to raise myself up to a 5/10.

That's still not a great appearance rating though, unfortunately. And if you can't pass her looks test, your Game is null and void. We all know how superficial girls are.

I'm concurrently working on my Game so that by the time my looks are dialed, I don't ruin it with the hot girls through sh*tty Game. Namely, I need to get more sexual experience. So I'm going to do 120 DayGame Cold Approaches over my Winter Break.

But I'm wondering... Is it worthless for me to approach 7-8/10 chicks with this low appearance rating, even with the Numbers Game? Should I only focus on chicks 5/10 or below while I build up my appearance? That would be average looking chicks or chubby chicks(unfortunately. Gotta get my looks up.) I'm just wondering if that's a good strategy while I approach so I can have success until I build up my looks to 6.5-7/10, plus not get rejected 100 times in a row.

Roosh V says that your looks score tells you what kind/rating of girl you should focus on if you don't want to experience sustained rejection and failure.

Or is that a dumb strategy? Maybe I should play Numbers hard even with the attractive girls, and maybe I get lucky even with my low appearance rating.

Let me know which route you all think I should go.

Your inner game needs to step up. Looks are an extremely easy thing to manipulate. You can most likely take better care of your skin and hair, have more strict hygiene, and get 10s. I've had countless girls tell me they chose to talk and hang out with me because my breath is fresh or because my deodorant smells nice. So many dudes are gross and unkept af, it's easy to get picked over them. With a little work any guy can look, smell, feel, and sound pretty hot(assuming he has no obvious deformity). My point is inner game is much harder to change, but at the same time way more powerful. It's the core at changing everything for the right reason. Because you want to look better for you, not for them.

Feel free to PM if you want constructive criticism.

 

[biggoal]

Funny about the HB number because each person rates a girl different.

I just posted pics of Miss America and one poster only rated her a 7 lol then someone can post a pic of a semi chubby chick and they rank her a 7 I've seen before.

 

[thinker]

@nicksaiz65 some of the hottest women I have had I got because I thought I had no shot. Since I thought I had no shot I didn't have any performance pressure or expectations. This made me relax and the naturally confident me came out. Go for any girl you want regardless of how hot she is, be a man and take your shot and see what happens, you may surprise yourself. I see plenty of guys with way better looking women and those relationships started with these guys just saying fvckit I'm making my move. A man never truly stops improving himself , it is a life long process. Don't be like too many guys who are waiting until they get better or the time is right, there will never be a better time then now and you are already the real catch.

 

[Clamslammer]

I finally stepped up and got my looks rated. I knew I had some work to do, but I am HURTING lol. I'm a 4.5/10, and based on my experiences in the field that's about right. No wonder I have issues with flaking. Every time I've been able to pull a hotter chick, it's been because I'm using my local status.

Of course I'm working on the issue. I've been hitting the gym HARD in the past 2 months. I think that by the end of my Winter Break, I should be able to raise myself up to a 5/10.

That's still not a great appearance rating though, unfortunately. And if you can't pass her looks test, your Game is null and void. We all know how superficial girls are.

I'm concurrently working on my Game so that by the time my looks are dialed, I don't ruin it with the hot girls through sh*tty Game. Namely, I need to get more sexual experience. So I'm going to do 120 DayGame Cold Approaches over my Winter Break.

But I'm wondering... Is it worthless for me to approach 7-8/10 chicks with this low appearance rating, even with the Numbers Game? Should I only focus on chicks 5/10 or below while I build up my appearance? That would be average looking chicks or chubby chicks(unfortunately. Gotta get my looks up.) I'm just wondering if that's a good strategy while I approach so I can have success until I build up my looks to 6.5-7/10, plus not get rejected 100 times in a row.

Roosh V says that your looks score tells you what kind/rating of girl you should focus on if you don't want to experience sustained rejection and failure.

Or is that a dumb strategy? Maybe I should play Numbers hard even with the attractive girls, and maybe I get lucky even with my low appearance rating.

Let me know which route you all think I should go.

Never doubt yourseld and always think of yourself as a 10. The fact you are calling yourself a 5 shows that you have low self esteem, if I can pick up that in a forum how do you think girls think of you in real life. Get on your purpose in life, hit the gym, and start grooming yourself and walk around like you are the man. Girls will notice this and they will flock towards you.

 

[MatureDJ]

I finally stepped up and got my looks rated. I knew I had some work to do, but I am HURTING lol. I'm a 4.5/10, and based on my experiences in the field that's about right. No wonder I have issues with flaking. Every time I've been able to pull a hotter chick, it's been because I'm using my local status.

Of course I'm working on the issue. I've been hitting the gym HARD in the past 2 months. I think that by the end of my Winter Break, I should be able to raise myself up to a 5/10.

So you are becoming a gymcel. It's still over.

Gymcel

A gymcel is an incel who works out, believing that a muscular body will compensate for an unattractive face. Gymcels will often spend countless hours in the gym...

incels.wiki

 

[nicksaiz65]

So you are becoming a gymcel. It's still over.

Gymcel

A gymcel is an incel who works out, believing that a muscular body will compensate for an unattractive face. Gymcels will often spend countless hours in the gym...

incels.wiki

Hahaha. Luckily for me I'm not an incel anymore though. Lost that tag a while back

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You can only control so much and raise it so much. It's why I would never bother trying to "rate" my looks. Now you are worried about something that doesn't matter. Women will all view you differently. One woman might view you as an 8 but because you are a 4.5 in your mind you will act like a 4.5 and she will lose interest because of your lack of confidence.

 

[candyman105]

Every market: marriage, dating, housing, jobs, finance, etc. works according to the law of supply and demand.

There will always be much greater demand for the highest quality goods, services, resources and yes, people.

The more physically attractive you are, the more in demand you will be and the greater your opportunities in dating. For men of average and below appearance and income, demand is unusually low, as the vast majority of women seek out the highest quality men at this point. Second, women don't need men in order to survive financially as they benefit from preferential hiring practices in the labor market.

For men in nick's situation, there are several options, all of them either more time and resource intensive than strategies for more attractive men, or involving dating markets with lower quality/status options:

1. spam approaching. A huge time sink with minimal, shot term payoff. A quick path to burnout, aside from those who are exceptionally stubborn and/or stupid.

2. an inordinate financial investment in one woman. A tricky strategy since there are so many other men who can outspend you.

3. playing in a market with lower status males. Such markets obviously tend to attract lower status women as well, but they may be more loyal.

4. finding a dating market which de-emphasizes looks, wealth and status in favor of fidelity, honesty, and personality.

Yes, there are a few here and there who can "strike it rich" or get rich quick but most players wind up with a partner who are approximately equal in market value.

Nick has chosen strategy 1, the "pua" option. This is leading to huge numbers of rejections and flakes. He is experiencing massive cognitive dissonance since all of his guru's are telling him that hard work leads to success but his real world results tell him otherwise. He's trying to tell the forum that pua doesn't work, but he's getting push back saying pua does work, he just lacks confidence.

It's a hilarious sh*t show: his house is burning down and he refuses to leave and everyone around him is telling him to just tough it out.

 

[zekko]

So you are becoming a gymcel. It's still over.

Gymcel

A gymcel is an incel who works out, believing that a muscular body will compensate for an unattractive face. Gymcels will often spend countless hours in the gym...

incels.wiki

Lol at the cartoon in the article:

 

[nicksaiz65]

Every market: marriage, dating, housing, jobs, finance, etc. works according to the law of supply and demand.

There will always be much greater demand for the highest quality goods, services, resources and yes, people.

The more physically attractive you are, the more in demand you will be and the greater your opportunities in dating. For men of average and below appearance and income, demand is unusually low, as the vast majority of women seek out the highest quality men at this point. Second, women don't need men in order to survive financially as they benefit from preferential hiring practices in the labor market.

For men in nick's situation, there are several options, all of them either more time and resource intensive than strategies for more attractive men, or involving dating markets with lower quality/status options:

1. spam approaching. A huge time sink with minimal, shot term payoff. A quick path to burnout, aside from those who are exceptionally stubborn and/or stupid.

2. an inordinate financial investment in one woman. A tricky strategy since there are so many other men who can outspend you.

3. playing in a market with lower status males. Such markets obviously tend to attract lower status women as well, but they may be more loyal.

4. finding a dating market which de-emphasizes looks, wealth and status in favor of fidelity, honesty, and personality.

Yes, there are a few here and there who can "strike it rich" or get rich quick but most players wind up with a partner who are approximately equal in market value.

Nick has chosen strategy 1, the "pua" option. This is leading to huge numbers of rejections and flakes. He is experiencing massive cognitive dissonance since all of his guru's are telling him that hard work leads to success but his real world results tell him otherwise. He's trying to tell the forum that pua doesn't work, but he's getting push back saying pua does work, he just lacks confidence.

It's a hilarious sh*t show: his house is burning down and he refuses to leave and everyone around him is telling him to just tough it out.

Well, thanks for the write up bro. I wouldn't say I have any cognitive dissonance though lol. Dating is obviously a numbers game. PUA works but you're gonna get rejected. And if you don't pass their looks test, your Game won't help. I don't give a fvck about a rejection or flake tbh. I just want to use the most efficient method to get results.

Everything that's dragging my looks down is under my control.

Give me one year and I'll raise myself to a 6.5. That's above average, which is all you need to nail a good handful of chicks. Give me five years after that, and I'll be an 8.5.

But for RIGHT NOW, as I work towards the looks... I'm asking what is the best strategy.

What do YOU think? On the level of girls to approach and my general strategy.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Never doubt yourseld and always think of yourself as a 10. The fact you are calling yourself a 5 shows that you have low self esteem, if I can pick up that in a forum how do you think girls think of you in real life. Get on your purpose in life, hit the gym, and start grooming yourself and walk around like you are the man. Girls will notice this and they will flock towards you.

Yeah. So while I'm in the gym and on my purpose, as it comes together, should I fake it till I make it?

 

[nicksaiz65]

Get, i can make you confident by paul mckenna.

The frame of the question is self esteem obstacle.

So, you're not chad or Tyrone. Whatever. Play your hand.

In a semester, you're a comp sci major. By 30, you can be making a quarter mill. The girls carry a trillion in student debt.

The biggest asset you have is youth. You can do a todd v bc, you can travel, bank money, buy property by mid 20s.


Hit the gym, lift, looks max, get paper right, always step game up.


Get experience but avoid a on campus rep. I don't care what people think but a kangaroo court room for false accusations will ruin you. My mate had it happen. No charges. Police report or jail time cause it didn't happen. Psychologically, he's ****ed many years later.

Stick to the script. You're doing good. Enjoy your journey man. You are only young once playboy.

Keep me posted.

The audiobook? I'll check that out when I get my Audible subscription back.

I'd love to go on bootcamp lol. That'll have to be after I make that Comp Sci money like you said though lol

 

[nicksaiz65]

Your inner game needs to step up. Looks are an extremely easy thing to manipulate. You can most likely take better care of your skin and hair, have more strict hygiene, and get 10s. I've had countless girls tell me they chose to talk and hang out with me because my breath is fresh or because my deodorant smells nice. So many dudes are gross and unkept af, it's easy to get picked over them. With a little work any guy can look, smell, feel, and sound pretty hot(assuming he has no obvious deformity). My point is inner game is much harder to change, but at the same time way more powerful. It's the core at changing everything for the right reason. Because you want to look better for you, not for them.

Feel free to PM if you want constructive criticism.

Thanks bro. I'll definitely PM you. Inner Game is huge.

 

[nicksaiz65]

You can only control so much and raise it so much. It's why I would never bother trying to "rate" my looks. Now you are worried about something that doesn't matter. Women will all view you differently. One woman might view you as an 8 but because you are a 4.5 in your mind you will act like a 4.5 and she will lose interest because of your lack of confidence.

Yeah cause it's all subjective right? So I should still go for who I find attractive even as I stay on my purpose and hit the gym.

 

[biggoal]

Yeah. So while I'm in the gym and on my purpose, as it comes together, should I fake it till I make it?

I would. Women are fake. mostly these days. They fake nearly everything so why not do it too?

And working out does help. It seems women like guys with meat on their bones. I don't mean fat, but someone who has muscle, or even lean muscle. Of course many women will also date fat, bald and unattractive older guys as well I see a lot!

But yea, getting slim and having some muscle will help and widen the dating pool and won't hurt! It also seems the younger women like 35 and under go for more muscle and physical appearance versus older ones who look for more life and financial stability.

I have the problem I have skinny arms and small bone frame so I'm skinny. I've had women on OLD, and IRL saying I need more meat on me.

The problem is I eat more and it all goes into my belly. Not into the places I want it to go!