Does a Low SMV Affect who I should approach?

[nicksaiz65]

Focusing on being attractive is feminine. You should focus on being great. At least you can control that. And it’s based on your integrity as a man. If you have the integrity to go to the gym and improve your health and fitness and focus on education and making money, then you have nothing to hang your head about. Because that’s what a man is supposed to do. Become great in his craft and in life. Let women worry about being attractive.

Besides, it’s not like worrying about your looks is going to make you any better looking. In fact I know a lot of masculine guys that are “ugly” but they do well with women because they don’t give a sh1t.

I don’t condone pua, but how can you claim to know anything about game if you don’t know the power of not giving a fvck? This power allows you to transcend all limits with women. This should have been your first lesson in your pickup journey.

We’ve all had that experience where we were in “state” and didn’t have a care in the world and every woman (and even cool guys) gravitated towards us.

This attitude is even more important in social environments because there’s nowhere to hide. Whatever state you are in is going to be stamped on your forehead. The last thing you want to do is walk around with a feminine and reactive state worrying about your looks like a woman.

What I am talking about is not even game but a masculine character trait. A dominant frame. In an effort to be seducers, a lot of guys forget how to be masculine and act like a man.

Sure, improve what you can, but don’t walk around all reactive and sh1t, lol. “Does this person like me? Is my hair cool?” Who gives a fvck. Forget about all of that as soon as you leave the house. The more you don’t give a sh1t, the more masculine your vibe and presence is.

There is no limit to the power of unreactiveness. You can rule the world with it.

Yeah that's goal frame right there.

I'm having this debate cause I'm like: does confidence come from within and I should be confident just naturally? Or does confidence come from competence like Alpha Male Strategies says? Like I get confidence only after I really get in the gym, stay on my purpose, etc. I see both sides but I wonder which is right.

In one year it won't matter either way cause my looksmax will be complete but it's something interesting to think on in the meantime.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah cause it's all subjective right? So I should still go for who I find attractive even as I stay on my purpose and hit the gym.

Yes. I am probably a 6 normally and a 6.5 when i am in really good shape. But i have had a few long term GF that I would say are solid 8's and maybe even an 8.5 on a good day that would constantly tell me how hot they thought I was. Every women has a different opinion of what is hot to them and many times what drives them crazy for a guy isn't about looks.

The first one I was on the first date with her and she was all over me and I am like "is this real life? There is no way this smoking hot chick is this into me." But she was and I never acted surprised by it on the outside so she saw me as a confident guy.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Yes. I am probably a 6 normally and a 6.5 when i am in really good shape. But i have had a few long term GF that I would say are solid 8's and maybe even an 8.5 on a good day that would constantly tell me how hot they thought I was. Every women has a different opinion of what is hot to them and many times what drives them crazy for a guy isn't about looks.

The first one I was on the first date with her and she was all over me and I am like "is this real life? There is no way this smoking hot chick is this into me." But she was and I never acted surprised by it on the outside so she saw me as a confident guy.

Yeah looks definitely aren't everything.

So how's this sound? I'm gonna go out and do my 120 Cold Approaches. I'll focus on just whatever chicks I find attractive, and log the results. We'll see if I can find one that likes me or not, based on playing the Numbers Game.

In the background, I'm working on my purpose, looks, staying in the gym at all times. Building myself up as a confident man.

What do you think about the "confidence comes from competence" theory? Should confidence come from within? Or should you build up your external accomplishments, and derive confidence from those?

I've seen gurus say both theories.

 

[biggoal]

Yeah looks definitely aren't everything.

So how's this sound? I'm gonna go out and do my 120 Cold Approaches. I'll focus on just whatever chicks I find attractive, and log the results. We'll see if I can find one that likes me or not, based on playing the Numbers Game.

In the background, I'm working on my purpose, looks, staying in the gym at all times. Building myself up as a confident man.

What do you think about the "confidence comes from competence" theory? Should confidence come from within? Or should you build up your external accomplishments, and derive confidence from those?

I've seen gurus say both theories.

Where do you go to do 120? In my county it would be hard to find 120 single women HB7 or above to do it to unless you covered every square inch everyday. Unless you want to hit on grannies or teens.

 

[Mike32ct]

Yeah looks definitely aren't everything.

So how's this sound? I'm gonna go out and do my 120 Cold Approaches. I'll focus on just whatever chicks I find attractive, and log the results. We'll see if I can find one that likes me or not, based on playing the Numbers Game.

In the background, I'm working on my purpose, looks, staying in the gym at all times. Building myself up as a confident man.

What do you think about the "confidence comes from competence" theory? Should confidence come from within? Or should you build up your external accomplishments, and derive confidence from those?

I've seen gurus say both theories.

I think Mystery said something to the effect of, “I don’t care about confidence. I care about competence.”

I love that quote.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Just stop worrying about this and go be you. I know as a younger guy its more difficult but as you get older you stop worrying about a lot of the BS which I guess portrays itself as confidence, which is why many younger women like older men.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

The audiobook? I'll check that out when I get my Audible subscription back.

I'd love to go on bootcamp lol. That'll have to be after I make that Comp Sci money like you said though lol

either. It comes with a CD. Its a hypnosis.

 

[Young OG]

I finally stepped up and got my looks rated. I knew I had some work to do, but I am HURTING lol. I'm a 4.5/10, and based on my experiences in the field that's about right.

Where did you get your looks rated? How many women voted? How was it determined? You know were friends on SC and I honestly think you're more then a 4.5 bro

 

[corrector]

Hahaha. Luckily for me I'm not an incel anymore though. Lost that tag a while back

You mean you are not a trucel anymore. You still sound like an incel if it was "a while back".

 

[corrector]

Yeah looks definitely aren't everything.

So how's this sound? I'm gonna go out and do my 120 Cold Approaches. I'll focus on just whatever chicks I find attractive, and log the results. We'll see if I can find one that likes me or not, based on playing the Numbers Game.

In the background, I'm working on my purpose, looks, staying in the gym at all times. Building myself up as a confident man.

Where are you going to find the time to do both? Cold Approaching is like a full-time job in and of itself, plus it's not even easy to find approach opportunities that count even factoring those without IOIs or AIs (i.e. women with boyfriends/other guys, smartphones, women in groups, negative social proof if you become known as a reject/flirt from other women,etc...).

The mental zone to work on yourself vs cold approaching are just opposite worlds apart and both require allot of commitment.

What do you think about the "confidence comes from competence" theory? Should confidence come from within? Or should you build up your external accomplishments, and derive confidence from those?

I've seen gurus say both theories.

I think he's talking about social calibration. You need to have good social skills, calibration, reading cues, knowing when to push, pull, etc...basically running game. If you get good at these type of skills (i.e. which doesn't work unless you pass a looks-threshold, as you say), then you become more socially competent.

There are lots of confident and competent men that can't attract the type of hot high-calibre women that they feel they deserve, come on here from time to time and start crying. BigDave comes to mind.

 

[RickTheToad]

I finally stepped up and got my looks rated. I knew I had some work to do, but I am HURTING lol. I'm a 4.5/10, and based on my experiences in the field that's about right. No wonder I have issues with flaking. Every time I've been able to pull a hotter chick, it's been because I'm using my local status.

Of course I'm working on the issue. I've been hitting the gym HARD in the past 2 months. I think that by the end of my Winter Break, I should be able to raise myself up to a 5/10.

That's still not a great appearance rating though, unfortunately. And if you can't pass her looks test, your Game is null and void. We all know how superficial girls are.

I'm concurrently working on my Game so that by the time my looks are dialed, I don't ruin it with the hot girls through sh*tty Game. Namely, I need to get more sexual experience. So I'm going to do 120 DayGame Cold Approaches over my Winter Break.

But I'm wondering... Is it worthless for me to approach 7-8/10 chicks with this low appearance rating, even with the Numbers Game? Should I only focus on chicks 5/10 or below while I build up my appearance? That would be average looking chicks or chubby chicks(unfortunately. Gotta get my looks up.) I'm just wondering if that's a good strategy while I approach so I can have success until I build up my looks to 6.5-7/10, plus not get rejected 100 times in a row.

Roosh V says that your looks score tells you what kind/rating of girl you should focus on if you don't want to experience sustained rejection and failure.

Or is that a dumb strategy? Maybe I should play Numbers hard even with the attractive girls, and maybe I get lucky even with my low appearance rating.

Let me know which route you all think I should go.

What site did you use? Photofeeler is very subjective. You should shoot for any and all ladies that you find attractive. A shot not taken is a guaranteed fail.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Just stop worrying about this and go be you. I know as a younger guy its more difficult but as you get older you stop worrying about a lot of the BS which I guess portrays itself as confidence, which is why many younger women like older men.

That does make sense. I'll do as many approaches and I can and then I'll report back.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Where did you get your looks rated? How many women voted? How was it determined? You know were friends on SC and I honestly think you're more then a 4.5 bro

Thanks bro. Photofeeler since I hear a lot of people use that around here. I think I got 40 votes or so? Maybe I'm worrying over nothing.

 

[nicksaiz65]

You mean you are not a trucel anymore. You still sound like an incel if it was "a while back".

No I'm definitely over the incel sh*t lol. I'm getting laid decently consistently. Now I just want to get laid with higher quality women more efficiently. Hence this thread. So I was wondering if it's a better use of my time to go for broke and just approach like wild? Or work my way up. Since I'm gonna be out approaching anyways.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Where are you going to find the time to do both? Cold Approaching is like a full-time job in and of itself, plus it's not even easy to find approach opportunities that count even factoring those without IOIs or AIs (i.e. women with boyfriends/other guys, smartphones, women in groups, negative social proof if you become known as a reject/flirt from other women,etc...).

The mental zone to work on yourself vs cold approaching are just opposite worlds apart and both require allot of commitment.



I think he's talking about social calibration. You need to have good social skills, calibration, reading cues, knowing when to push, pull, etc...basically running game. If you get good at these type of skills (i.e. which doesn't work unless you pass a looks-threshold, as you say), then you become more socially competent.

There are lots of confident and competent men that can't attract the type of hot high-calibre women that they feel they deserve, come on here from time to time and start crying. BigDave comes to mind.

I'm a student, and it's my Winter Break. So I'll have plenty of time. In fact, this is the absolute best time for me to get these approaches handled. My last Winter Break as a student.

I always took it as Dave didn't want to play the numbers and get rejected. He'd approach like 3 women and then assume no woman liked him lol.

 

[nicksaiz65]

You should dominate women regardless of your smv. Thinking about smv is chick thinking. In a zombie apocalypse, a real man just goes out and kills and take what he wants. And the most dominant men will be the survivors. And women will cling on to them for dear life. These guys are not thinking about their sm fvcking v.

You gotta have that "killer" mentality. When push comes to shove, I'm murdering everything moving, lol. I don't mean literally. I just mean that I'm not going to let stupid thoughts about smv get in the way of me dominating my environment. If someone stops me, then great. He was the better man. But I'm not going to stop myself by being insecure and thinking like a woman.

Remember, how a man acts REGARDLESS of his smv is he dominates women and have them submitting to his frame. That explains all the anomalies you see out in the field where you see guys with seemingly low smv pulling the hottest chicks.

Seems like a lot of you guys grew up without a father telling you this stuff. So you end up picking up the frame of your mothers - seeking validation through smv. Trying to manipulate your way to sex rather than simply dominating your way with your frame.

Your father (if he was dominant) would have taught you to just be a straight up killer.

What the hell do you guys think creates SMV in the first place? A dominant frame. First comes the frame, then comes the success. This guys is on the path to high smv anyway so there is no point even thinking about it.

Dominance creates everything.

So if I:

1.) Just forget about it
2.) Go hard in my Daygame and be confident af with it, 100 Approaches or more, with a solid ass frame
3.) Log the results, report back

I'll be making efficient progress over the break. That's honestly all that I need.

Just out of curiosity since this is somewhat on topic, I take it from your argument you'd say the idea of "I need {x} and {y} before I'm truly confident" is BS? X or Y could be abs, money, anything.

 

[nicksaiz65]

What I am saying is the sovereign thought of "I AM great" LEADS to greatness. It leads to you being in the gym, studying hardcore, and conquering life. How hard you go at life is how hard you fvck women. They can feel your vibe and tell if you have hard fvck energy about you.

Stop thinking about what you lack and start thinking about how hard you can conquer today. And do it every day. Every moment of every day. Over time your frame will get stronger and your smv will rise ANYWAY. There's no point thinking about it.

In order to even have high smv in the first place, you need to be GREAT IN THE MOMENT. In every moment. This is the masculine path.

I'm giving you the mindset that it takes to take you where you want to go.

It all starts with your mindset. With the right mindset, success is not only attainable, but unavoidable.

Makes a ton of sense.

I'll stay on it, envision greatness and report back.

 

[candyman105]

Well, thanks for the write up bro. I wouldn't say I have any cognitive dissonance though lol. Dating is obviously a numbers game. PUA works but you're gonna get rejected. And if you don't pass their looks test, your Game won't help. I don't give a fvck about a rejection or flake tbh. I just want to use the most efficient method to get results.

Everything that's dragging my looks down is under my control.

Give me one year and I'll raise myself to a 6.5. That's above average, which is all you need to nail a good handful of chicks. Give me five years after that, and I'll be an 8.5.

But for RIGHT NOW, as I work towards the looks... I'm asking what is the best strategy.

What do YOU think? On the level of girls to approach and my general strategy.

You should dominate women regardless of your smv. Thinking about smv is chick thinking. In a zombie apocalypse, a real man just goes out and kills and take what he wants. And the most dominant men will be the survivors. And women will cling on to them for dear life. These guys are not thinking about their sm fvcking v.

You gotta have that "killer" mentality. When push comes to shove, I'm murdering everything moving, lol. I don't mean literally. I just mean that I'm not going to let stupid thoughts about smv get in the way of me dominating my environment. If someone stops me, then great. He was the better man. But I'm not going to stop myself by being insecure and thinking like a woman.

Remember, how a man acts REGARDLESS of his smv is he dominates women and have them submitting to his frame. That explains all the anomalies you see out in the field where you see guys with seemingly low smv pulling the hottest chicks.

Seems like a lot of you guys grew up without a father telling you this stuff. So you end up picking up the frame of your mothers - seeking validation through smv. Trying to manipulate your way to sex rather than simply dominating your way with your frame.

Your father (if he was dominant) would have taught you to just be a straight up killer.

What the hell do you guys think creates SMV in the first place? A dominant frame. First comes the frame, then comes the success. This guy is on the path to high smv anyway so there is no point even thinking about it.

Dominance creates everything.

 

[Young OG]

Thanks bro. Photofeeler since I hear a lot of people use that around here. I think I got 40 votes or so? Maybe I'm worrying over nothing.

I wouldn't worry about that. The pics you posted on there probably suck. I posted a couple bad quality pics and got a low rating before. Then I posted a bunch of professional pics that were taken by a photographer and I got between a 9.0 - 9.8 on all of those. I also go for 100 votes on there and I set it on only female voters (hopefully you did that).

From your pics you post on SC, we both know your higher then a 4.5 so stop being hard on yourself.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I wouldn't worry about that. The pics you posted on there probably suck. I posted a couple bad quality pics and got a low rating before. Then I posted a bunch of professional pics that were taken by a photographer and I got between a 9.0 - 9.8 on all of those. I also go for 100 votes on there and I set it on only female voters (hopefully you did that).

From your pics you post on SC, we both know your higher then a 4.5 so stop being hard on yourself.

Thanks dude. That makes me feel much better.

I'll approach whoever I feel like. Like Stormrider said, there's not much of a point in worrying about it.

I'll let you know how these batches of day approaches go. I'm getting a little bit tired of NightGame so I'm gonna change it up.