so epstein hung himself are you surprised

[guru1000]

@Ranger <Cough> I mean Epic, now that you don't have Rollo backing up your points about the big bad feminine imperative, I think it's time that you surrender this handle too and delete all your posts out of embarrassment, as you did the last one, and get a new handle.

Go ahead, you have my permission to do that.

 

[sazc]

Nay my friend I wasn't trying to change the subject, it has always remain the same and it looks like my idea to engage in a different manner is stillborn.

But I'll be blunt now.

These Epstein story is making rounds in my real life social circle too, a hot topic more so after his death.

And the difference between our peoples is as night and day, in how it is perceived.

On one hand, I'd take the commentary here as being typically Western, whilst on the other hand my comments is reflective of typical Asians.

Everyone has read your stand (and others) and they too shall have mine.

Both the men and women here in my social circle are just repeating the same mantra I've heard a thousand times, "the western decadence", shaking their heads, I give them a sad smile of acknowledgement.

But what surprises me the most were the venomous sting from almost all the women in my circle, they questioned how is it that a young girl is even allowed out of her house to go unaccompanied by her own mother to another man's house? Doesn't her mother know what's her daughter doing?

Shaking their heads saying "don't they know that we females holds the honor of our fathers?!"

Some even shivered thinking how their own fathers would react if he even knew that they would venture into another man's house (at that age) without his permission, I asked and most replied they would get the beating of their lives.

Some even countered and said, that would be really good because they deeply believe that their own father would have probably disowned them for bringing shame to the family name.

And when one of the guys mentioned their young age?

The women all laughed, 1 even said, ask ur 7 year old neighbour to open her panties, offer her money and see what happens. That kept him quiet. That kept me and the other guys quiet too.

To the women here, in their minds, a typical 8-10 year old asian girl has already been imbued with all the values to protect her dignity and that of her family by her own mother, her mother's mother, her father's mother and her long line of female relatives so much so it becomes part and parcel of her psyche.

But I understand why, because I too would be enraged if my own hypothetical daughter does it, I'd probably kick her mother and my own daughter out of my house for breaking my pride, defying my leadership as head of the family.

I have too much pride as a man.

But these are the values of Asians.

We make sure our children are empowered with knowledge and we also make sure they take ownership of their responsibilities.

Yes, children has responsibilities too.

Again I ask, do you really think 14 year olds are that stupid?

Don't look down on them. Empower them with values so that they can better protect themselves. Make sure they take ownership of it. Do not sweep it under the carpet by simply pointing that this law and that law is broken, its too late by then. Don't be reactive, be proactive.

How many men here has daughters? I bet a few do.

And if you were to lead and train ur family-daughter into taking responsibility for their actions (as most Asian fathers do), you think its likely they would do as those girls did?

Probability would be extremely low. Even the son of God had Judas but that didn't stop him from teaching what's right and good.

Those of you who have Asian wife's or girlfriends, ask them to verify my story, they may come from different countries but the basics is the same.

There's no social security here, there's hardly any therapist for trouble minds, there's almost no old folks home and there's so many we don't have because we take care of each other, from cradle to grave.

Values.

Don't be a father that is leaderless because if u r then it's akin to her being fatherless.

Again I ask, do you really think 14 year olds are that stupid?

My original reply to @Epic Days post covered the lack of proper parenting. You (among others) @Spaz came out of the gate supporting Epstein as the victim and the 14 year old children as knowing exactly what they were doing...

I can’t speak for spaz obviously. If they are sex slaves against their will then obviously they didn’t make that decision. I’m against breaking the law. The whole thing is degenerate activity. But they made the call to do it for money. I didn’t read where they were made addicted to drugs. That would be forced as well.

But I don’t think the girls should get a pass. I guess mommy didn’t do so well after all.

so the fact that their parenting sucked and left them in a vulnerable position means that they get what they deserve in terms of an extremely mature man paying them for sexual Services when they are underage?

In fact, the 18-year cutoff is exactly intended to protect these type of people, the vulnerable ones, the ones who had sucky childhoods and don't know to steer clear of this

Seriously

 

[sazc]

Where the ƒuck are you getting this from?

Nowhere! My point to them (in case it was lost in translation) was that I'm certain that you would NOT want pedophilia supported in this site

 

[sazc]

I can't speak for her but I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm. You'd have to read more of the thread for context.

@Rollo Tomassi definitely sarcasm. This is a site for adult to adult relationships. Prostitution threads and other illegal topics have been shut down. I was certain that there's no way you wanted sex trafficking, pedophilia, etc, etc, being discussed and applauded the way a few members were doing. I was genuinely surprised they felt comfortable enough to commit those beliefs here

 

[sazc]

To anyone who doesn't understand
There are a LOT of factors as to why a child could be vulnerable, weak and/or sexualized at a young age. As a wide arc, these include male related issues, but can also be caused by other situatiins.

Rape, molestation, exposure to poronography, a child who is lacking male attention and learned they could get it by being sexual, the promise of income to a poor household, poor parenting strategies, the list is ENDLESS.

None of that justifies a mature adult swooping in and preying on a child weakness or vulnerabilities, even if the child is acting sexualized.

It means they are a mentally fvcked up individual.

 

[BURT MCQUEEN]

Where the ƒuck are you getting this from?

ROLLO TOMASSI IS BAAAAAAAACCKKKKKK.

Rollo don't take shiet from nobody, this place is crowded of plugged blue pilled AFC's.

Welcome back on SoSuave

 

[Epic Days]

@Ranger <Cough> I mean Epic, now that you don't have Rollo backing up your points about the big bad feminine imperative, I think it's time that you surrender this handle too and delete all your posts out of embarrassment, as you did the last one, and get a new handle.

Go ahead, you have my permission to do that.

I recant on nothing. Absolutely nothing. Besides, you are no longer authoritatively valid.
Yep, all those single mommy produced 14 & 15 year old street walkers. It’s sad.

 

[guru1000]

Yep, all those single mommy produced 14 & 15 year old street walkers. It’s sad.

So if the sex trafficked children don't become mommies or street walkers, then the sex trafficking of minors is a valid cause?

Just stop now. Before I get into this debate. And we all know how that will turn out for both you and Spaz.

 

[Epic Days]

So if the sex trafficked children don't become mommies or street walkers, then the sex trafficking of minors is a valid cause?

Just stop now. Before I get into this debate. And we all know how that will turn out for both you and Spaz.

You’re certifiable. Holy crap. There’s no debate. You’re insane.
I’m going to finish these flow calcs.
Epic days out.

 

[guru1000]

You’re certifiable. Holy crap. There’s no debate. You’re insane.

Epic days out.

Smart move.

 

[Spaz]

As for your repeated question, which I thought was rhetorical: I don't think they're stupid, but they're not savvy, experienced, or possessing common sense on balance. Every individual is different.

There's so much wrong that I can point out but it seems there's not many in Sosuave who is questioning it, everyone seems content with blaming the perp and then enjoying the shiet show.

Still, I lose nothing.

 

[Spaz]

Nothing wrong with questioning anything, I just disagree with you. You should question the narrative. But yes, I blame the guy who orchestrated and executed the teen-****ing.

Think of all the high school boys who are plied and fukked by their female teachers. Or altar boys molested by priests. I can make a reasonable assumption for where lies the blame. Something tells me they weren't being "hypergamous."

You assume that the victims feel no shame or dishonor for having placed themselves in the situation. You don't know that. I'd lay dollars to donuts they wish they'd walked away. But I can't say for sure. Maybe they really were sophisticated players who saw an opportunity for a quick $200, plus a chance at a class-action suit in 10 years. In that case all the talk here about women not being able to think for themselves should be tossed out the window.

Also, one detail, I do think it's pretty messed up that a dad would beat his daughter up and/or disown her for being molested. If that's how family values work in your Shangri-La, then whatever culture you're living in is the truly decadent one.

Since you feel so strongly abt it, then I'll concede.

And wish you best of luck in ur life narratives.

 

[AJ84]

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Nothing wrong with questioning anything, I just disagree with you. You should question the narrative. But yes, I blame the guy who orchestrated and executed the teen-****ing.

Think of all the high school boys who are plied and fukked by their female teachers. Or altar boys molested by priests. I can make a reasonable assumption for where lies the blame. Something tells me they weren't being "hypergamous."

You assume that the victims feel no shame or dishonor for having placed themselves in the situation. You don't know that. I'd lay dollars to donuts they wish they'd walked away. But I can't say for sure. Maybe they really were sophisticated players who saw an opportunity for a quick $200, plus a chance at a class-action suit in 10 years. In that case all the talk here about women not being able to think for themselves should be tossed out the window.

Also, one detail, I do think it's pretty messed up that a dad would beat his daughter up and/or disown her for being molested. If that's how family values work in your Shangri-La, then whatever culture you're living in is the truly decadent one.

In my hometown a priest was arrested for molesting adolescent boys. He would pick up boys from their homes for camping trips. This all came out years later after a man who was a former victim committed suicide and left a note. His actions lead to many men coming forward.

People asked why they went camping with him knowing what would happen. They said that they didn’t want to upset their parents by not going nor did they want to raise any alarms by not going. The priest was highly esteemed with a lot of connections, my community is very Catholic, and the victims didn’t think anyone would believe them and they would get labeled as liars or worse, gay.

That priest used the respect and connections he received to create an environment where he could abuse boys at will, for years.

Epstein created an environment where he could do the same.

According to articles Epstein and his female pimp targeted girls from foster care, broken homes etc who didn’t have anyone looking out for them. Girls with no means.

Epstein probably had access to the daughters of his rich buddies but he didn’t target them did he. He targeted poor girls no one gave a f**k about.

When someone doesn’t feel that they have anyone who cares about them or that they have no power, they are the easiest to repeatedly victimize.

It’s probably hard for anyone who hasn’t been repeatedly abused to get our heads around why they stayed or kept going back or whatever, but, like you are trying to explain, it doesn’t take away from the fact that they were victimized by someone in a position to maintain the abuse, someone in a position of power over them, and for whatever reason the victim didn’t feel that they could stop it.

It’s horrible.

 

[lamath]

Nowhere! My point to them (in case it was lost in translation) was that I'm certain that you would NOT want pedophilia supported in this site

Seriously idk why linking Rollo to this kind of crap/debate was needed.

Obv imo pedophilia is very wrong, but nothing is always as black and white as some ppl like to believe.

Imo there is never an absolute moral guide line.
Morals are very subjective, for example that kind of stuff is accepted in some country/culture.
Its all about local.social convention, if we where born else where our point of view might be very different.

 

[MatureDJ]

The tart at the center of this, Virginia Giuffre, has definitely hit the wall. Look at this cow!

How Prince Andrew 'could help convict paedophile tycoon'

Virginia Giuffre, 35, believes the Duke of York could give useful evidence in the case of Epstein. However her lawyer, David Boies, said the royal would almost certainly refuse to speak to US prosecutors.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Spaz]

The tart at the center of this, Virginia Giuffre, has definitely hit the wall. Look at this cow!

How Prince Andrew 'could help convict paedophile tycoon'

Virginia Giuffre, 35, believes the Duke of York could give useful evidence in the case of Epstein. However her lawyer, David Boies, said the royal would almost certainly refuse to speak to US prosecutors.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I bet she's now lining up to secure his millions after his death.

$300 then, $3,000,000 later.

She's indirectly teaching her own kids (and a few million other girls) how to be a "successful" female.

And the feminists with the White Knight's are cheering her on whilst singing amazing grace.

 

[Poonani Maker]

his millions after his death

His ill-gotten millions. He was an uncredited Math teacher, just doin billionaire hedge-fund investing on the side. Gee, wonder who let him manage their billions?

 

[Billtx49]

I bet she's now lining up to secure his millions after his death.

$300 then, $3,000,000 later.

She's indirectly teaching her own kids (and a few million other girls) how to be a "successful" female.

And the feminists with the White Knight's are cheering her on whilst singing amazing grace.

She’s a known liar. Claimed to have sex with Alan Dershowitz via Epstein back then when he can prove he was nowhere near her. Currently suing him for defamation when he denied in and basically called her out…

 

[Spaz]

His ill-gotten millions. He was an uncredited Math teacher, just doin billionaire hedge-fund investing on the side. Gee, wonder who let him manage their billions?

If I were to continue to be an unlicensed money lender, offering soft loans to petty traders or small time businesses that couldn't get small loans from banks, my earning prowess would be considered ill-gotten too.

To the big banks, I'm stealing their god given monopoly thus I'm the bad guy.

But to the many who took my money and grew their small businesses, I'm Saint Spaz.

So yeah, much of my money is ill-gotten by ur standards since I've used it as seed money to invest in other businesses.

 

[Spaz]

She’s a known liar. Claimed to have sex with Alan Dershowitz via Epstein back then when he can prove he was nowhere near her. Currently suing him for defamation when he denied in and basically called her out…

So there's something after all...

But of course, people will be calling that guy a pedo too without even digging into her victim-hood drama.