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This is where you are wrong. Even if you want to set aside the notion that they are the de facto digital space for free speech, they themselves claim that they are merely a platform in court, a humble purveyor of digital content, agnostic of a judgement on that content. They have used that defense in a number of court cases and have been successful in using that defense.
I am sorry... you are wrong. They claim they are a platform... they have never claimed that they are 'agnostic of judgement'. In fact they reserve the right to regulate content IAW their terms of use. It does not have to be either or...

You can say that you are not responsible for what people post, and at the same time say what people can or can not post.... it's not either or. They are not responsible for anything posted on their website that does not violate their terms of use.

You as a property owner can say it's okay for people to put up campaign signs in your yard, but you as a property owner can decide for yourself what you will allow to stay, as long as you make it clear up front what you WILL NOT allow.... and if you tell people UP FRONT, that you reserve the right to take down whatever you want for any reason... it is YOUR RIGHT to do this.
 

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I am sorry... you are wrong. They claim they are a platform... they have never claimed that they are 'agnostic of judgement'. In fact they reserve the right to regulate content IAW their terms of use. It does not have to be either or...

You can say that you are not responsible for what people post, and at the same time say what people can or can not post.... it's not either or. They are not responsible for anything posted on their website that does not violate their terms of use.

You as a property owner can say it's okay for people to put up campaign signs in your yard, but you as a property owner can decide for yourself what you will allow to stay, as long as you make it clear up front what you WILL NOT allow.... and if you tell people UP FRONT, that you reserve the right to take down whatever you want for any reason... it is YOUR RIGHT to do this.
Sorry, wrong but don't take it from me:

“It just strikes me as fundamentally problematic,” said Jane Kirtley, a professor of media ethics and law at the University of Minnesota. “On one hand, you’re trying to argue you’re this publisher making editorial judgments. But then they turn around and claim they are protected under [Section 230] because they are not publishers.”

Eric Goldman, a Santa Clara University law professor, said it was frustrating to see Facebook publicly deny that it was a publisher in some contexts but then claim it as a defense in court.

Today, the Supreme Court unanimously decided that Packingham was right. “Foreclosing access to social media altogether thus prevents users from engaging in the legitimate exercise of First Amendment rights,” reads Justice Anthony Kennedy’s opinion. “Even convicted criminals—and in some instances especially convicted criminals—might receive legitimate benefits from these means for access to the world of ideas, particularly if they seek to reform and to pursue lawful and rewarding lives.”

The decision, Justice Kennedy acknowledges, is “one of the first cases the Court has taken to address the relationship between the First Amendment and the modern internet.” It's a relationship that is being consistently tested, as people not only increasingly rely on social media as a core communication channel but also as courts begin using the things they say and do online against them. Packingham v. North Carolina, at least, establishes that the government can't just uniformly bar people from using expansive chunks of the internet.

"The Supreme Court appropriately understood the importance of the internet to the way politics and free expression occur right now," says Neil Richards, a professor at Washington University Law School, who specializes in First Amendment law. "We cannot have a functioning First Amendment that doesn't take First Amendment activity in a digital context into account."

Social media and the platform that can be used to reach massive amounts of people, is not the same as a political sign in your yard, you're deflecting and using straw man arguments. But again, don't take it from me, take it from noted attorneys and the supreme court.
 

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When a corporation chooses to provide a service to only specific parties then they are in effect making donations to those campaigns (which is illegal) No different than if it was a monetary donation.
I am not following you at all... I do not see how consideration for goods or services received in a private commercial exchange could ever legally be argued as a contribution. But hey... if someone brings a lawsuit then the courts can decide, maybe you could sue and see where it goes.

I'm really not sure why you are upset about this... every-time a company engaging in SJW bvllsh!t it ends up biting them in the @ss. I remember the first time something like this happened, it was back in the 90s, when some vendor in NYC decided he didn't want to sell Snapple because they advertised on Rush Limbaugh. A month later, people stopped buying from him and he stopped doing that. Most recently there was a coffee shop that decided they were going to start charging a 'man tax' for coffee because of the mythical 'pay gap'... now they are out of business https://pluralist.com/handsome-her-cafe-man-tax-closes/ Notice that the owners STILL do not blame themselves for this silliness, it is the fault of toxic masculinity... but what else would you expect from women?

Let stupid people be stupid and suffer the consequences of their actions. If WordPress or anyone else wants to kiss the @sses of SJWs fine... let them... they will find themselves with competition and they will only host content that no one whats to see with anyone with an open mind will gravitate towards platforms that do not do this.

I am only telling you like it is... I am not trying to justify the actions of individual companies. IMO I actually believe that it does not make good business sense to intentionally limit your client base.

We are talking about LAW, and the LAW says that it is not illegal to deny service for political opinion. You may not like it but that is a fact. The Civil Rights law only protects from discrimination based on race, color, religion, national origin, sex, and in some cases disability. Political affiliation is not a protected class. If you decide as a business owner that you do not want to make a wedding cake for a gay marriage, you do not have to. If you are a Jewish baker, you can not be forced to make a Nazi cake with a picture of Hitler on it. But you can not refuse to make a cake for a mixed marriage because you think mixing of the the races is bad... THAT is illegal.
 

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Today, the Supreme Court unanimously decided that Packingham was right. “Foreclosing access to social media altogether thus prevents users from engaging in the legitimate exercise of First Amendment rights,” reads Justice Anthony Kennedy’s opinion. “Even convicted criminals—and in some instances especially convicted criminals—might receive legitimate benefits from these means for access to the world of ideas, particularly if they seek to reform and to pursue lawful and rewarding lives.”
The Packingham case has nothing to do with this content. It is that the law limited access this is a violation of the 14th Amendment. Anyone should be free to do anything they want on social media provided they do not violate the terms of service. This was not a lawsuit against Facebook, it was a lawsuit against the State of North Carolina.... As I stated before, free speech rights can not be limited by government, the State violated the 1st Amendment and 14th Amendment rights of the plaintiff.
 

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The Packingham case has nothing to do with this content. It is that the law limited access this is a violation of the 14th Amendment. Anyone should be free to do anything they want on social media provided they do not violate the terms of service. This was not a lawsuit against Facebook, it was a lawsuit against the State of North Carolina.... As I stated before, free speech rights can not be limited by government, the State violated the 1st Amendment and 14th Amendment rights of the plaintiff.
Doesn't hold weight, they reference the First Amendment in their decision and being able to use social media. And again, you neglected to mention that they claim in public to be a platform in public and in court they hide behind publishing laws. You can't have it both ways. I included references to other cases as well, not just that particular case.

Arguing a point on semantics is not arguing a point. They have a defacto stranglehold on the digital public platform, whether you choose to admit it or not. If you're going to argue they are a private company and can do what they want, then other private companies can discriminate as they see fit. Either there is freedom of association or there isn't, you can't pick and choose. If you're going to argue they are a platform and not subject to publishing responsibilities or vice versa, then they can't use those arguments in court that go to the opposite of what they claim in public.

If all voices cannot be heard when a corporation of global status has a stranglehold on a market where public opinions are shared and conversations are encouraged, they have a monopoly and should be broken up.
 
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Donating money is a contribution.

Donating services is also a contribution.

Twitter, facebook, and other free social media are in effect donating services.
Ah... okay now I see where you are going with this. Thank you.

Allowing someone to express an opinion on a media platform is a defacto contribution. I agree.... but that does not mean you have the right to dictate to the platform, which is a company, which the USSC says are entitled to constitutional rights, what they have to allow. You can not do this anymore than you can insist that the Koch Brothers have to 'contribute' just as much money to Democrats as Republicans, because it is 'fair'. On the other extreme, you can not dictate that George Soros contribute equally to Republicans or Democrats.

Now if you want to make the case that large media platforms have a defacto monopoly on the internet... well okay... start a campaign... raise money and file a lawsuit. But I do not believe that large social media platforms should be forced to compel speech they believe runs counter to what they consider a good business practice. They should be broken up. The problem isn't 'free speech' the problem is we have allowed monopolies to form.
 

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Doesn't hold weight, they reference the First Amendment in their decision and being able to use social media.
The question to the court was that law is permissible under the First Amendment’s Free Speech Clause, applicable to the States under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It is a question of ACCESS not content. The 1st Amendment guarantees the right to SPEECH, and ACCESS to free speech. The court was very clear that they were NOT making a judgment on content, only if an individual has the right to access, and if the State has the right to limit access based on a past conviction, of if this was a violation of the equal protection clause. States do have the right to limit constitutional rights of convicted felons... many State do not allow convicted felons to vote, or own handguns. These apparent violations of constitutional rights PASS judicial review because the courts, in the past, did not see these limits as violations of the 14th amendment.

And again, you neglected to mention that they claim in public to be a platform in public and in court they hide behind publishing laws. You can't have it both ways. I included references to other cases as well, not just that particular case.
I did not mention it because it is not relevant. No one is denying that people should have ACCESS to information available on a public social media platform. The plaintiff in this case was not suing to be allowed to post whatever he wanted, he sued because he was denied access. This is a 1st amendment question but not on speech, but on access.

Arguing a point on semantics is not arguing a point. They have a defacto stranglehold on the digital public platform, whether you choose to admit it or not.
I do not think I am arguing semantics and I intentionally have not challenged the notion of that social media companies do not have a 'stranglehold', I prefer the legal term 'monopoly' (but I suppose that is semantics as well, sorry). Maybe they do? But so far the courts have not ruled in that way, and if it is determined they do indeed have a monopoly to solution is to break them up to open competition for other platforms.

If you're going to argue they are a private company and can do what they want, then other private companies can discriminate as they see fit.
Well in truth I am not arguing that point I take it as a fact in evidence. They are a private company and they can do what ever they want provided they are not violating laws. They can not LEGALLY discriminate against classes of people identified in Civil Rights Law... political opinion is not a protected class. If you want to make the argument they should be... well then take it to court... let the judges decide.

Either there is freedom of association or there isn't, you can't pick and choose.
Your freedom of association is not dictated by a social media platform. You are free to believe and say whatever you like in a PUBLIC forum. You are arguing that social media is a defacto public forum.... again.... take it to court and let the courts decide. So far they have been reluctant to rule on this, or better yet let congress start the process of amending the Constitution to clearly define the cyberspace as a public forum. Then it will not be up to the courts. I really don't think Facebook or any other social media platform would seriously object to this, because then they would be relieved of any responsibility. If some SJW group starts hamming them with boycott threats, they can just turn to the and say "Sorry, it's the law... call you congressional representative."

If you're going to argue they are a platform and not subject to publishing responsibilities or vice versa, then they can't use those arguments in court that go to the opposite of what they claim in public.
Well... I have never argued that they are 'publishers' in fact neither have they. They claim they are 'newspaper boys' delivering a 'paper' or a 'print shop' printing what is delivered to them. They don't publish anything, they allow a platform that is it.

If all voices cannot be heard when a corporation of global status has a stranglehold on a market where public opinions are shared and conversations are encouraged, they have a monopoly and should be broken up.
Well now on this we agree.
 

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The question to the court was that law is permissible under the First Amendment’s Free Speech Clause, applicable to the States under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It is a question of ACCESS not content. The 1st Amendment guarantees the right to SPEECH, and ACCESS to free speech. The court was very clear that they were NOT making a judgment on content, only if an individual has the right to access, and if the State has the right to limit access based on a past conviction, of if this was a violation of the equal protection clause. States do have the right to limit constitutional rights of convicted felons... many State do not allow convicted felons to vote, or own handguns. These apparent violations of constitutional rights PASS judicial review because the courts, in the past, did not see these limits as violations of the 14th amendment.

I did not mention it because it is not relevant. No one is denying that people should have ACCESS to information available on a public social media platform. The plaintiff in this case was not suing to be allowed to post whatever he wanted, he sued because he was denied access. This is a 1st amendment question but not on speech, but on access.

I do not think I am arguing semantics and I intentionally have not challenged the notion of that social media companies do not have a 'stranglehold', I prefer the legal term 'monopoly' (but I suppose that is semantics as well, sorry). Maybe they do? But so far the courts have not ruled in that way, and if it is determined they do indeed have a monopoly to solution is to break them up to open competition for other platforms.

Well in truth I am not arguing that point I take it as a fact in evidence. They are a private company and they can do what ever they want provided they are not violating laws. They can not LEGALLY discriminate against classes of people identified in Civil Rights Law... political opinion is not a protected class. If you want to make the argument they should be... well then take it to court... let the judges decide.

Your freedom of association is not dictated by a social media platform. You are free to believe and say whatever you like in a PUBLIC forum. You are arguing that social media is a defacto public forum.... again.... take it to court and let the courts decide. So far they have been reluctant to rule on this, or better yet let congress start the process of amending the Constitution to clearly define the cyberspace as a public forum. Then it will not be up to the courts. I really don't think Facebook or any other social media platform would seriously object to this, because then they would be relieved of any responsibility. If some SJW group starts hamming them with boycott threats, they can just turn to the and say "Sorry, it's the law... call you congressional representative."

Well... I have never argued that they are 'publishers' in fact neither have they. They claim they are 'newspaper boys' delivering a 'paper' or a 'print shop' printing what is delivered to them. They don't publish anything, they allow a platform that is it.

Well now on this we agree.
Most of your post is simply splitting hairs. Thank you, it's on first amendment, whether it is speech or access matters not, it is still a first amendment issue.

The heart of the matter is allowing people to be heard. If you agree it's a monopoly and should be broken up, then you have to follow that out to it's logical conclusion, which is they are not allowed to block people based on their political ideologies. While political affiliation is not a protected class as stipulated by other groups, this is yet another strawman argument. Either you support groups, whatever their grouping or labeling is, not being discriminated against or you don't.

That's the spirit of these laws, to ensure that someone who identifies as liberal, conservative, black, white, latino, lgbtxyz or whatever, can't be discriminated against. So with your logic, I simply relabel a group as something else and I can discriminate against them, since it isn't specifically referred to by law. Again, you have to be even in the application of your logic. If you allow discrimination against one group, even if not technically identified by law at the moment, you logically, ethically and morally have to allow discrimination against any group. You can't pick and play favorites.

Facebook has argued that they are merely a platform in public and use publisher's laws to protect them in court. So they are playing both sides of the fence. In public, they are agnostic (or so they claim) and in court they use publisher laws that support them to win their case. In truth, they are run by a particular political persuasion masquerading as a "social" media platform, when they only allow voices that are inside their echo chamber. However, they built their business and fortune by allowing all to have a say, now they want to change all the rules after they have all the control.

What's really happening, quite honestly, is that this is a battle for the soul of this country. Are we going to allow liberals, communists, fascists, SJWs to dictate common sense, logic, fairness and equality or are we going to let western men decide what the future will look like. Will western men take the mantle and the inheritance that has been bequeathed to them by their forefathers or will they shrink from the battle, too afraid to be branded a bigot, homophobe, misogynist or other SJW label used to shut people and conversations down?

These communists have been busy at all levels, social, educational and government. They have destroyed generations of western men and turned them into soy boys, too afraid to be labeled toxic or some other bullsh*t feminist label. Make no mistake though, if western men lose this battle, the west will fall and devolve back into the dark ages, deluged by all the nonsense.
 

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This is my point though.....

They are a company, acting as a Super PAC in that they are essentially donating infinite amounts to parties and actually even campaigns.

This matters because super PACS do not have the same rights as individuals.
And the USSC has already ruled that corporations and PACS are entitled to constitutional rights. Now I personally disagree with this decision but it is what it is. Like it or not, this is what the courts have given us. Now if we Americans do not like this, then the solution is to amend the Constitution.

If it were up to me the the 28th Amendment would read:
1. The rights of citizens of the United States, guaranteed in the original Bill of Rights are INDIVIDUAL rights and can not be inferred or interpreted as collective rights.

2: The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


This actually fixes a lot of judicial stupidity namely that corporations are people, and the right to bear arms is an INDIVIDUAL right, not a right guaranteed under the condition of membership in a militia.
 

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The SCOTUS did not rule that Super PACS have the same rights as individuals.

They ruled that corporations and unions do. Although I disagree with that ruling.
I did not say Super PACs... I said PACs... and yes they did rule that PACs were entitled to free speech protection, but are limited on what they can collect from individual donors. As far as I know the USSC has not ruled on Super PACS since technically they did not exist until after Citizens United.

A Super PAC is a committee not really an organization and they can advertise on 'issues' they can even pay for ads for an issue they support, however they are NOT allowed to endorse or support in any way any particular candidate. They can raise unlimited amounts of money from any individual. "Swift Boat Vets for Truth" was a PAC that operated like a Super PAC before they really existed, and they accepted contributions over legal limits. They technically did not support GHW Bush, all they did was attack then Senator Kerry's record in Vietnam, and his protest actions after he returned from Vietnam. It was defacto support for Bush and it was VERY effective and mostly legal, but they did have to pay a fine, which was WAY less than what they collected.

A PAC can not coordinate with a campaign, but they are allowed to donate money to individual campaigns and parties, but these have contribution limits. I actually worked on McCain's 2008 campaign and again on Romney's campaign in 2012. I can tell you that campaigns are VERY careful with what they can and can not do with PACs... they can't have anything at all to do with S-PACs... the fastest way to get removed from a political campaign is to even suggest you MIGHT have contact with a S-PAC. Super PACS didn't even really exist during the 2008 election, but you can argue that Citizens United created them. and they were around in 2012 during the Romney campaign.

One of the criticisms I heard during the Romney campaign was that Mitt was overly concerned with Super PACs, that he was overly cautious, and to be honest... I think he was. They would frequently go out of their way to make sure that there was no perception of working with them AT ALL, even going so far as to pull ad campaigns out of markets we had planned to run when a Super PAC started running ads in that same market with even a similar message. We basically hamstrung ourselves in a lot of markets, and while I am not sure if it would have had an effect on the results... it certainly didn't help.

During the last election, IMO since I did not work for either campaign, Super PACs had little impact on the results. Super PACS supporting Clinton actually raised more money than Trump.... by almost 3:1. Overall, Clinton raised a half a billion more in 2016, than Trump and she spent almost every dollar, while Trump who raised just under a billion after the election he still had about $7 million left over. Trump actually ran a very efficient campaign. You can argue that the Super PACS supporting Trump were more effective... but I'm really not sure that it was that they did a good job of shaping the narrative as S-PACs support Hillary were just bloody awful. Trumps S-Pacs mercilessly attacked Hillary on everything... Clinton's S-PACs ran ads about how great it would be to have a chick in the White House, or attack ads on Trump critical of things he did with women which were arguably no worst than Bill Clinton... it was really stupid because all it did was ask the question who is worst... the guy who had a misogynistic attitude about women, or the women that tolerated the same behavior from her husband... and at least Trump paid off his chicks... while Bill and Hillary just tossed them under the bus. Hillary's S-PACS just wasted money in markets they already owned.
 

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I am glad that Heartiste was banned from WordPress. He promoted a hateful ideology that basically encouraged racist white males that in order to become more attractive to women, they should become more toxically masculine. On top of that, he promoted dread game which is basically a passive aggressive form of rape. Just because a girl puts you in the friend zone, it doesn’t make it ok for you to ignore her or start dating other women. The ethical thing to do is to be there for her and respect her wishes. It might take months or years but eventually she will learn what a nice guy you are and she will want to be with you.

And Heartiste was a borderline nazi Republican. Thankfully, as more and more immigrants stream into America, red states like Texas and Florida will flip to blue and the Democrats will become the permanent Natural Governing Party while the voting power of racist white males becomes diminished.

Hate speech is not free speech and I am glad that Heartiste and his followers have been effectively banished. Their hateful ideology has no place on the internet.
 

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I am glad that Heartiste was banned from WordPress. He promoted a hateful ideology that basically encouraged racist white males that in order to become more attractive to women, they should become more toxically masculine. On top of that, he promoted dread game which is basically a passive aggressive form of rape. Just because a girl puts you in the friend zone, it doesn’t make it ok for you to ignore her or start dating other women. The ethical thing to do is to be there for her and respect her wishes. It might take months or years but eventually she will learn what a nice guy you are and she will want to be with you.

And Heartiste was a borderline nazi Republican. Thankfully, as more and more immigrants stream into America, red states like Texas and Florida will flip to blue and the Democrats will become the permanent Natural Governing Party while the voting power of racist white males becomes diminished.

Hate speech is not free speech and I am glad that Heartiste and his followers have been effectively banished. Their hateful ideology has no place on the internet.
Next time if you wish to bait, at least do it properly.

It's so obvious that only a fanatical idiot is going to jump at this and start debating ur points.
 

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Next time if you wish to bait, at least do it properly.

It's so obvious that only a fanatical idiot is going to jump at this and start debating ur points.
I used to debate Heartiste on his hate site. Now he and his brown shirts are banished for good. And good riddance.

I look forward to the 2020 election when Kamala Harris defeats Drumpf in a 500 electoral vote landslide.
 

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Doesn't hold weight, they reference the First Amendment in their decision and being able to use social media. And again, you neglected to mention that they claim in public to be a platform in public and in court they hide behind publishing laws. You can't have it both ways. I included references to other cases as well, not just that particular case.

Arguing a point on semantics is not arguing a point. They have a defacto stranglehold on the digital public platform, whether you choose to admit it or not. If you're going to argue they are a private company and can do what they want, then other private companies can discriminate as they see fit. Either there is freedom of association or there isn't, you can't pick and choose. If you're going to argue they are a platform and not subject to publishing responsibilities or vice versa, then they can't use those arguments in court that go to the opposite of what they claim in public.

If all voices cannot be heard when a corporation of global status has a stranglehold on a market where public opinions are shared and conversations are encouraged, they have a monopoly and should be broken up.
Hate speech is not free speech and Wordpress was right in banning CH. Just as all of social media was right in banning Alex Jones. And the domain registrars were right in seizing Andrew Anglin’s DailyStormer domain name and banishing him to the dark web where he will whither and rot.

America is a land of immigrants and diversity is our strength.
 

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Well they are illegally operating as a Super PAC, but are a corporation, which is my original point.
Swift Boat Vets for Truth was a PAC. And as such was required to comply with campaign finance laws... they didn't.... they were fined. The GOP learned that the problem with SBVFT was that it was organized as a PAC, so they formed Citizens United which never claimed to be a PAC, it certainly was a 'defacto' PAC, but technically was not subject to campaign finance laws. The final piece was when Alito replaced O'Conner on the USSC which meant that the court make-up would favorably rule.

There was no such thing as an 'entity' called a Super PAC until after the Citizens United ruling. A "Super PAC" is a committee that forms to promote a idea though the exercise of free speech, if that free speech happens to help a political campaign or party that is considered serendipity. As long the "Super PAC" does not directly support a candidate or party, then they are not subject to campaign finance laws.

The Citizens Unity ruling solved two issues: (1) The FEC has the right to regulate campaign financing for CONTRIBUTIONS to a campaign or party (2) The FEC has no jurisdiction on any entity that is not an official PAC and/or does not DIRECTLY contribute to a candidate or political party.

The Citizens Unity ruling also extended free speech rights for organizations as a collective right, meaning they could not be regulated as an organization or company. Government can not regulate the free speech of individuals, they can and do regulate what companies claim or say.
 

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Hate speech is not free speech and Wordpress was right in banning CH. Just as all of social media was right in banning Alex Jones. And the domain registrars were right in seizing Andrew Anglin’s DailyStormer domain name and banishing him to the dark web where he will whither and rot.

America is a land of immigrants and diversity is our strength.
There is no such thing as "hate" speech, there is only speech you don't want to hear. Unless you are calling people to violence or yelling fire in a crowded theater, you can say pretty much whatever you want. Alex Jones actually got things right from time to time, perhaps even more so than CNN in many cases, so please, stop with the terrible examples. People like you are the problem, oh, take away this, take away that, ban people from this or that, you don't realize how dangerous thoughts like yours are. From this we can ban religion, literally any group of people that run afoul of your "hate" detectors.

America is a land of European immigrants. America only become this "melting" pot after the immigration reform act of 1965, which started to encourage and choose 3rd world immigration over European immigration. Diversity is not our strength, that is a straw man argument that everyone throws out to give people the warm and fuzzies. Diversity is like a centipede with a bunch of busted legs, unless all of them are going in the same direction, that centipede is going nowhere fast.
 

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Swift Boat Vets for Truth was a PAC. And as such was required to comply with campaign finance laws... they didn't.... they were fined. The GOP learned that the problem with SBVFT was that it was organized as a PAC, so they formed Citizens United which never claimed to be a PAC, it certainly was a 'defacto' PAC, but technically was not subject to campaign finance laws. The final piece was when Alito replaced O'Conner on the USSC which meant that the court make-up would favorably rule.

There was no such thing as an 'entity' called a Super PAC until after the Citizens United ruling. A "Super PAC" is a committee that forms to promote a idea though the exercise of free speech, if that free speech happens to help a political campaign or party that is considered serendipity. As long the "Super PAC" does not directly support a candidate or party, then they are not subject to campaign finance laws.

The Citizens Unity ruling solved two issues: (1) The FEC has the right to regulate campaign financing for CONTRIBUTIONS to a campaign or party (2) The FEC has no jurisdiction on any entity that is not an official PAC and/or does not DIRECTLY contribute to a candidate or political party.

The Citizens Unity ruling also extended free speech rights for organizations as a collective right, meaning they could not be regulated as an organization or company. Government can not regulate the free speech of individuals, they can and do regulate what companies claim or say.
Again, you're splitting hairs. Why is it so tough for you to admit that these technocrats lean way to the left and support fully, what the left wants? Them having this monopoly on communication gives them the ability to donate services to the left in support of their causes and candidates. The government will most likely never break them up, because the government leans more and more left all the time, so they'd most likely never have the votes to do so, unless there was a drastic change in government.

We are on a train to fascism and communism, no doubt about it.
 

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At the end of the day, when a corporation denies services to political entities but donates those services to other political entities, they are making donations in large enough amounts that is only legal for Super PACs.
Sorry not correct.... IAW current US Laws.

Corporations are not PACs... they are not Super PACs, they are private corporations guided by the articles of incorporation or partnership agreements in whatever State they are formed, or by whatever treaty obligation we follow with a particular country by the US State Department, if they do not have a wholly owned subsidiary formed in some State or territory of in the United States.

The USSC has ruled that private corporations have the individual right to free speech, that means they can say or choice not to say whatever the fvck they want. AGAIN Citizens United drew a clear line that said, political speech does not fall under the purview of election campaign laws UNLESS there is a direct contribution to a campaign or party. That's it.... that is reality. What you have posted above is not true. Incidental or serendipitous support of a particular cause can not be regulated by the FEC. The government has no jurisdiction over free speech... only campaign contributions.

You want the government to force Facebook to host content they do not agree with, fine.... try and get the law changed. But if by some miracle this gets the to USSC and they set aside Citizens United then I would consider that a good thing. Corporations should not have individual rights.
 

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Again, you're splitting hairs. Why is it so tough for you to admit that these technocrats lean way to the left and support fully, what the left wants? Them having this monopoly on communication gives them the ability to donate services to the left in support of their causes and candidates. The government will most likely never break them up, because the government leans more and more left all the time, so they'd most likely never have the votes to do so, unless there was a drastic change in government.

We are on a train to fascism and communism, no doubt about it.
I am not splitting hairs... I am telling you what is and is not allowed by current laws. We can no more force the Koch brothers to contribute to liberal causes than we can force the Facebook owners to support conservative ones. I never said that what you call "technocrats' do not lean to the left, what I said is since Citizens United allows companies to take on the political flavor of the owners of the company, and since now companies have individual rights to free speech they can allow or not allow, anything they want as a right to free speech. Citizens United was a two edged sword... while it allowed unlimited money to flow into Conservative campaigns, it also allowed liberals to do the same fvcking thing.

Don't blame me for pointing out reality... blame the judges on the USSC that were appointed by Republicans, they are the ones that gave us this steaming pile of sh!t. Judicial activism, be it leftist or right wing, is ALWAYS wrong, and ALWAYS leans to unintended consequences.

I do agree that the US is drifting to the left... and the reason this is happening is because conservatives have abandoned freedom as a guiding principle and will not allow free market capitalism work properly. Conservatives should have allowed the big banks to fail rather then bailing them out... this is why we got Obama. Instead of hauling off the bankers in orange suits, who perpetrated a fraud on investors causing the 2008 fiscal meltdown, we handed them golden parachutes with taxpayer money. If you embrace FREEDOM, then you have ignore all the bullsh!t from traditional conservatives. If a guy want's to cut off his pecker, say he's a lady and use the women's restroom... SO THE FVCK WHAT. If two dudes want to get married and fvck each other in the @ss, SO THE FVCK WHAT.
 

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Providing services to a particular political party or campaign is NOT free speech.
I agree.... but that is not what is happening. Supporting a ideology that a particular party or campaign also happens to support is free speech. Now if ever Facebook or any other social media platform decides they are banning Republicans and Republican candidates from their platforms because of party affiliation, while also allowing Democrats and Democratic candidates access, then that would clearly be a violation. But just because Republicans happen to support a ban on gay marriage, if the owners of a company decide they will not allow content attacking gay marriage, they can legally do this.

AGAIN Citizens United drew a distinction between what is political campaign and party support and what is ideology.... If you are saying that ideology defines party affiliation then I am inclined to agree, but it is not always the case. For example, the Log Cabin Republicans are a primarily a collection of gay men and women that happen to support gay marriage and gay rights, even though they are Republicans and the Republican party, as a platform opposes gay marriage. So ideology can vary with party affiliation.
 

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