Your opinions on MGTOW/Red Pill?

[Mike32ct]

All of these theories about women are enough to confuse anyone.

All I really know is that most women in America are pretty ruthless when it comes to doing what's best for them. Sometimes you are what's best for them. Sometimes divorcing you is what's best for them.

Women have their own charms/tactics/survival mechanisms. Sometimes it involves using men/many men to do their bidding.

Just because you won the hypergamy game doesn't mean it will be smooth sailing. Just look at celebrities. Being the highest available male doesn't mean women will submit to you. That's what they want you to THINK. In reality the women are using you for their OWN validation. There's no submission. Only the guy being seduced. Women know how to cater to your ego and work you like a yoyo. Having value means that it allows you to serve HER. Do HER bidding. Some guys are useful for sex. Some guys are useful for resources. And some guys are useful for attention.

This is red pill in a nutshell. The irony of romance is that it is essentially an unromantic exchange of value and goods. It's business for women. And when they dump you, it's nothing personal it's just business. And when they divorce you, it's also (especially) business. Being good in business is how you survive in the world.

Notice I never said anything negative or sounded butthurt. I just simply pointed to the way things are.

Now knowing all of this, it can prevent you from making foolish mistakes while at the same time being able to enjoy women for sex and companionship.

But at the end of the day, don't take it personally. It's all business. Unless she is your mom, she's not going to love you unconditionally.

Blackpill is similar. If she rejects you and leaves with some Chad, it’s not personal. It’s like getting pissed off at gravity because something fell off your desk. It’s ok, really.

 

[allancc3]

Both redpill and mgtow are irrelevant. They're even worse than pua. PUA at least advocates action. It's based on false assumptions, such as looks don't matter, just approach, confidence is everything, but at least it encourages guys to actually try something.

Redpill and mgtow advocate either abandoning the dating market or resorting to drastic changes such as plastic surgery, which it's advocates must know very few guys willl ever resort to (because of the risk and cost involved). In effect they tell guys dating is impossible and all efforts are pointless. It's an enormous step backwards and few men are foolish enough to subscribe to either.

The only reason either theory has gained any traction at all is because feminists and communists recognize that there is some nascent potential that these ideas could serve as a stepping stone to a broader understanding of how fvcked up everything is in general, and that everything (((they've))) ever advocated (racial equality, gender equality, sexual orientation equality) is all horsesh1t.

But redpill and mgtow guys (a tiny minority of guys) are generally liberal or bluepilled otherwise and don't have the courage to entertain the possibility that ALL of society is just as fvcked up as gender relationships in particular.

 

[spoodermann]

Which is why, GYOW is GOAT status. Not necessarily meaning become a phaggot or adopt some ideology. Go full boar on your sexual strategy and to the point of ruthlessness. For the record, I agree with you and would add the UK women as well.

The benchmark is top form SMV 18-23 or do not want.



There's still OGs of the game. Decaprio hasn't datee anybody over 25 in the past 3 decades. Keanu Reeves comes to mind as well. I do agree but, as Jlaix said, you can't be half a gangster.

Prerequisite is top form, fit, young, attractive, feminine, submissive and dtf. Anything bu5 is #nextSet



You? No. But there's red pill awareness man who married after being cucked. There's this delusional idea that they can hack marriage or the laws. They may know female nature but are purple pill more times than not.

Rollo married epiphany phase for example.



I can concur with everything you said or just about.

If we take a biz approach to dating, w3 should drag women through thrur best years and plate as they attempt to play house.

I don't believe in love. There's a ToddV explanation of love. Its all chemical feelers, oxytocin, and its horse **** to proliferate your biology.

Its why, a red pill unplugging from male idealism is so necessary or it won't end well. I see more of a black pill, existentialism, all meanings is man made.

Working backwards; there's doom and gloom. You live and you die. Only thing guaranteed is death and taxes. So, wtf does a man have to lose?

Hit on baeeeees. Go get girls. Chain gunning cold approach. Swipe right at life. Smash or next. Repeat.

Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

So, thing called "love" doesn't exist and if relationship goes well it only means something scientific?

 

[spoodermann]

And mgtow seems to use this as proof too. They know this is made as a joke right?

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

So, thing called "love" doesn't exist

When people ask Jordan Peterson about belief in God comes to mind. What you refer to as love along with society doesn't exist and is where blue pill idealism comes from. Its absolutely cuck central.

and if relationship goes well it only means something scientific?

www.medicaldaily.com/can-science-explain-love-brain-signals-and-hormones-signal-you-fall-someone-400986%3famp=1

Love, Actually: The science behind lust, attraction, and companionship - Science in the News

by Katherine Wu figures by Tito Adhikary In 1993, Haddaway asked the world, “What is Love?” I’m not sure if he ever got his answer – but today, you can have yours. Sort of. Scientists in fields ranging from anthropology to neuroscience have been asking this same question (albeit less eloquently)...

sitn.hms.harvard.edu

I question your common sense or lack thereof. Science attempts to explain everything.

The biggest aspect of DJ lifestyle and by being a man is in pursuit of self knowledge. The premise of your thread is questioning the path. Unplug. Think for yourself.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Both redpill and mgtow are irrelevant. They're even worse than pua. PUA at least advocates action. It's based on false assumptions, such as looks don't matter, just approach, confidence is everything, but at least it encourages guys to actually try something.

Both point to different perspectives. Mgtow debunks love and the cuck festival that is marriage in western society. Red pill gives you a framework pointing to a more Darwin-like view of gender dynamics in polar contrast to society. Pua beats to death approaching and giving a take action means to dating. The looks don't matter is a upsell and yet, similar to money, having game can trump other areas of deficiency. Looks max, game, resources/Lifestyle is OG. Resources not to buy women but by default, it screams victory. It puts you in a better place, lifestyle, and in areas you have better access to higher venues, women, and being well travelled.

With game, i respect manlets and fugly pulling baeeeees several deviations in SMV above their level. Few and far between. Its what I dislike about rollo preaching to date down. Women tend to date up and hypergamy never sleeps.

Redpill and mgtow advocate either abandoning the dating market or resorting to drastic changes such as plastic surgery, which it's advocates must know very few guys willl ever resort to (because of the risk and cost involved). In effect they tell guys dating is impossible and all efforts are pointless. It's an enormous step backwards and few men are foolish enough to subscribe to either.

Mgtow pushes not to marry or cohabitation which retards continue to do including red pill which are seemingly married dating coach and trad cucks 2.0.

The only reason either theory has gained any traction at all is because feminists and communists recognize that there is some nascent potential that these ideas could serve as a stepping stone to a broader understanding of how fvcked up everything is in general, and that everything (((they've))) ever advocated (racial equality, gender equality, sexual orientation equality) is all horsesh1t.

But redpill and mgtow guys (a tiny minority of guys) are generally liberal or bluepilled otherwise and don't have the courage to entertain the possibility that ALL of society is just as fvcked up as gender relationships in particular.

They both scream at how clown world is. Mgtow are demonetized. Red pill likely is or in the process.

I can imagine how brutal it is hanging out at 21 convention with red pill. Nobody actually getting girls or having a date lol.

Mgtow are smart but they lack execution.

Pua is my preference of the 3 but common sense is key. Being a free thinker is ideal.

Rsd Tyler is a weird dude. I still got more from him than the other people. Not particularly thrilled by the current direction of rsd but 8 digress.

 

[spoodermann]

When people ask Jordan Peterson about belief in God comes to mind. What you refer to as love along with society doesn't exist and is where blue pill idealism comes from. Its absolutely cuck central.



www.medicaldaily.com/can-science-explain-love-brain-signals-and-hormones-signal-you-fall-someone-400986%3famp=1

Love, Actually: The science behind lust, attraction, and companionship - Science in the News

by Katherine Wu figures by Tito Adhikary In 1993, Haddaway asked the world, “What is Love?” I’m not sure if he ever got his answer – but today, you can have yours. Sort of. Scientists in fields ranging from anthropology to neuroscience have been asking this same question (albeit less eloquently)...

sitn.hms.harvard.edu

I question your common sense or lack thereof. Science attempts to explain everything.

The biggest aspect of DJ lifestyle and by being a man is in pursuit of self knowledge. The premise of your thread is questioning the path. Unplug. Think for yourself.

Well yeah, obiouvusly why love happens is explainable my science, I'm not dening that, but what about that kind of unbrakeable love? That kind of partnership that would last till other one dies. I know many cases where some married couples lasted over 40 years (like my great grandparents).

How can one achive that in this time?

 

[RangerMIke]

Hi guys.

Recently, I have been really anxious and lost from so many mgtow/red pill videos I have seen. I have heard so many horror stories about relationships, "truths" about female nature (hypergamy, women don't actually care about you unless you can provide them something, etc.) And that game doesn't exist (so if I'm short and not best looking guy in world, I'm ****ed)

What is your opinion on their teachings?

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” -- Ayn Rand

Red pill is reality, MGTOW is a method for dealing with reality. Therefor it is a valid response. Not one I would take but it is a decision based on fact.

Another method is to learn to love women for what they are, and be careful not to get sucked into a situation that will cause you significantly more pain than the pleasure you get with a particular woman. It can be done, you do not have to give up on women, just be careful and never allow your emotions to control your behavior.

 

[spoodermann]

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” -- Ayn Rand

Red pill is reality, MGTOW is a method for dealing with reality. Therefor it is a valid response. Not one I would take but it is a decision based on fact.

Another method is to learn to love women for what they are, and be careful not to get sucked into a situation that will cause you significantly more pain than the pleasure you get with a particular woman. It can be done, you do not have to give up on women, just be careful and never allow your emotions to control your behavior.

How do you respond to their claims?

- hypergamy
- woman's loyality is as strong as her options allow to be
- game doesn't exist

 

[YourGreatestFear]

Is all of this what you have read about or what you have experienced by dating women? I’m just not seeing a connection between what you think women want and what woman actually want, sorry.

Lol, you are really funny. Do you understand what if I really knew all of this ONLY based on my experience then it would mean what all of this is bs? It is my own experience, experience of other people and scientific data combined. Most people for some reason don't understand what their personal experience means nothing compared to statistical data or real science. I can't see any point in further discussion if against at least five solid arguments (some of them backed by science) from my previous post the only thing you could say is "I don't think so", it just means what you live in denial and unable to sustain discussion based on logic.

How do you respond to their claims?

- hypergamy
- woman's loyality is as strong as her options allow to be
- game doesn't exist

Claim "game doesn't exist" never was a part of RedPill.

 

[spoodermann]

Lol, you are really funny. Do you understand what if I really knew all of this ONLY based on my experience then it would mean what all of this is bs? It is my own experience, experience of other people and scientific data combined. Most people for some reason don't understand what their personal experience means nothing compared to statistical data or real science. I can't see any point in further discussion if against at least five solid arguments (some of them backed by science) from my previous post the only thing you could say is "I don't think so", it just means what you live in denial and unable to sustain discussion based on logic.




Claim "game doesn't exist" never was a part of RedPill.

Yeah, red pills not, but it is mgtow's. They are saying non stop that no matter how smooth the guy is, if he is not loaded or handsome, he ain't gonna get *****

 

[allancc3]

Redpill isn't really redpill. It's much closer to blackpill. It's pessimistic to the extreme instead of offering a balanced perspective. PUA is delusional confidence. Red/blackpill is extreme pessimism. The reality is somewhere in between.

Most guys on here lean towards red/blackpill or mgtow. Most have given up and resort to porn, videogames or low hanging fruit like milf's and cougars.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Well yeah, obiouvusly why love happens is explainable my science, I'm not dening that, but what about that kind of unbrakeable love? That kind of partnership that would last till other one dies. I know many cases where some married couples lasted over 40 years (like my great grandparents).

How can one achive that in this time?

It doesn't exist. That was before social media and before women ate up the idea ths5 cratered SMV is empowering. Little did they know, the world doesn't revolve around her and her vagina.

Meanwhile hotter girls are turning 18 19 20 21 every day.

Herein lies the counter balance to hypergamy.

Step game up. Crush it in life. Pull fr9m all sources bet it pua, mgtow or red pill.

Moreover, think for yourself.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Redpill isn't really redpill. It's much closer to blackpill. It's pessimistic to the extreme instead of offering a balanced perspective. PUA is delusional confidence. Red/blackpill is extreme pessimism. The reality is somewhere in between.

Agreed. I prefer pickup because its takin life by the balls. Jocko level ownership. Something women especially today lack. Pua is delusional at times but whats the alternative. Play house? Raise some man's baby? Marry cratered SMV after best days are over? I'll troll on sight.

Most guys on here lean towards red/blackpill or mgtow. Most have given up and resort to porn, videogames or low hanging fruit like milf's and cougars.

I disagree (respectfully). 99% of men play house with the 1st semi decent woman in amateur hour, and in a life of phaggotry.

Let's be real. I know a lad, ecommerce, below middle income but, he's free. In the UK, he cannot land a coffee date. He takes off to ibiza for the winter, works out of a laptop, and bangs models as party boy. No pension. No wife or LTR. Casual encounter or something of a fwb. At home, he cannot pull to save his life.

Uk women much like western women have a delusional sense of reality and mistaken attention from Chad's or Tyrone for being special. The lad in question is better off single, working from a laptop rather than playing house and losing the farm.

I subscribe more to a pickup approach but we live in clown world. Its black pill. Its foom and gloom. Ironically enough, there's nothing to lose. Hit on baeeeees. Get girls. Chain gun cold approach. Moreover, get a life. But if a man is idealism blue pill cuck, he's in for a reality check and being zeroed out awaits. Some men are beyond repair or preservation.

Its fight club on steroids. Its not forever. The worst is yet to come. The crash is on route man. Embrace the fact and act accordingly.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Yeah, red pills not, but it is mgtow's. They are saying non stop that no matter how smooth the guy is, if he is not loaded or handsome, he ain't gonna get *****

He can and he will but its not his girl. Just his turn.

A bachelor doesn't tolerate not in the mood. LMR means #next. There's always hotter and younger.

 

[corrector]

It doesn't exist. That was before social media and before women ate up the idea ths5 cratered SMV is empowering. Little did they know, the world doesn't revolve around her and her vagina.

Meanwhile hotter girls are turning 18 19 20 21 every day.

Herein lies the counter balance to hypergamy.

Step game up. Crush it in life. Pull fr9m all sources bet it pua, mgtow or red pill.

Moreover, think for yourself.

Before social media? How about before online dating too, or before the internet while we are at it? I remember trying out internet dating back in 2006 and while I remember I picked up a girl from there I had a oneitis with that was stringing me along while I found out the hard way that she was pumped and dumped by a chad behind my back and started crying about how men are liars, etc... I can tell you that I do not see much of a difference between 2006 (i..e this is before social media was a common fixture as it is today) and today. It was a sausage fest then, with Chads/Chadlites cleaning house, as it is today. You'd probably have to go way back before social media, before the internet, maybe to the 90s.

Also, are we assuming that every time a lady is using her smartphone to text that we are going to just be thinking, "oh she's probably talking to a Chad or is swiping studs on Tinder, I'm not going to approach her because I cant measure up to her infinite Chad/Chad-lite options"? There are other posts that suggest that women mostly text other women and making a presumption that woman are Chad-surfing on their smartphones, may not be very healthy for newbies since you won't even bother at this point.

 

[Focal core]

Bull****. 80% of divorce initiated by women.

The stats speak loud and clear. You are pedaling the same horse **** as every other trad cuck. Onus on a man until you are divorce raped and cucked.

I will bump this when

What a sad life u live on mate.. You need help.

 

[Focal core]

Disagreed. I have been with my fiancee for about 9 years now (wedding is in July). You just have to find right girl.

It's not easy, but not impossible.

Exactly what I meant.. He's a sad man lildevil, we all aware that 80% of the women initiate divorce yadda yadda yadda bam! bam!, that's when both of them or one of them are emotionally retarded. Really dude you need help. Seems some professional to determine the cause of these underlying issue, you might have lots of them

You didn't wanna know how many HB I push away one I sense they have those an underlying issue, I've already know where it would headed, I won't even engaged them. U just need to be in that position to know which one are meant for relationship, *** dumpster, etc, and the girl u selected will always match your own emotional level, once u in that level you didn't even wanted to waste your time on the retarded even its just for sex it Feels they aren't at your level anymore. And they even will chase you like crazy!

wants something better? Raise your standards and to grow emotionally is the way to go.

@DEEZEDBRAH

 

[RangerMIke]

How do you respond to their claims?

- hypergamy
- woman's loyality is as strong as her options allow to be
- game doesn't exist

All true. in my experienced opinion.

However I will say that what people call "game" really is acting like a man, it's only really a game if you are pretending. Game does work, and for a lot of men, who where raised in a culture that discourages masculine behavior it is necessary to break conditioning a boy/man received in early life. I think game is useful for the purpose of practicing masculine behavior until you become what you are supposed to be. PUAs serve a purpose in this regard, but you have to be careful not to get sucked into the stupid idea that your purpose should be to 'get chicks'... that is what bothers me about PUAs.... they are treating a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Disagreed. I have been with my fiancee for about 9 years now (wedding is in July). You just have to find right girl.

It's not easy, but not impossible.

Women get fatter not fittee after marriage.

Finding women's isn't hard. Hotter girls are turning 18 19 20 21 every day.

Its the blue pill idealism that's impossible. It doesn't exist.

Given the fact that 80% of divorce rape is initiated by women. It doesn't account for cucking or happily married.

Good luck mate. If i was attending saud wedding, I'd buy you a mouth guard and helmet.