Do you think the decriminalization of sex work would make women in general have a better attitude?

[wolf]

First of all depenalization is different than legalization, to own few grams of marijuana is no longer a crime yet its not legal to sell few grams of it.

Regarding the topic, I disagree with those who say that legal prostitution would have no impact on the dating market.

First of all, all the guys horny and looking for sex (not validation or companionship) would no longer hit clubs and pubs therefore changing the M : F ratio in those place, they would no longer chase women aggresively in those place giving them the illusion of being in demand as people.

Average guys unable to get decent feedbacks from women would probably appreciate the safety and easyness of getting fast and CHEAP sure sex, they would no longer obsess on chats or social media but would take the fast way.

These facts wouldnt make much difference for top %nters that easily get women while it would change dinamics between the average men and the average women.

After a certain point the average guy would drop the average girl if too much drama comes and not enough sex balances it, we would observe a recalibration in the attention vs sex negotiation between the sexes in the average group.

So that would make a difference for the average man for sure, an average woman that has nothing else than sex to offer to a guy would be forced to add something to the package, add something in terms of quality or remove some discomfort in terms of drama and demands.

Men are pragmatic creatures and at some point consider the cost-benefit ratio of things, think of the mgtow epidemic we see recently.

The real deal breaker would be social acceptance and lack of social shaming for both clients and professionals, in that case word of mouth would push even more men to consider and different behaviour.

Escorts dont provide companionship or validation but allow fast, cheap and sure sexual release especially to older men.

Your post has just given me a brain wave. With all of this modern say 3rd wave Feminism that supposedly champions the ability for women to choose, is it not possible that by this very definition that it is the 3rd wave SJW Feminazis that could be the ones to get this legislated either directly or indirectly and therefor bring about the conclusion that you have stated? Wouldn't it be ironic if this was the case?

 

[Who Dares Win]

Your post has just given me a brain wave. With all of this modern say 3rd wave Feminism that supposedly champions the ability for women to choose, is it not possible that by this very definition that it is the 3rd wave SJW Feminazis that could be the ones to get this legislated either directly or indirectly and therefor bring about the conclusion that you have stated? Wouldn't it be ironic if this was the case?

Nice point too bad that feminists support unlimited rights for women only when those rights benefits ALL of them and not only a part.

If there was a market for fat ugly tatooed old women then all the feminists would agree about legalization but given that only good looking women would benefit from such opportunity, that defeats the whole "core business" of feminism.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Nice point too bad that feminists support unlimited rights for women only when those rights benefits ALL of them and not only a part.

If there was a market for fat ugly tatooed old women then all the feminists would agree about legalization but given that only good looking women would benefit from such opportunity, that defeats the whole "core business" of feminism.

Feminist still look at the redistribution of wealth from male to female. So they ponder these points.

 

[Alvafe]

Wow dude. The Obama couple was very supportive before politics. Pics can be seen of this way back... All couples arent selfish pieces of poop.

and like I said theatrics, they was together because it was better for both to play the part, looking like a lovely couple in front of cameras would net then more point, plus if we really going down to it, it was michelle the president not obama, she keep a short leash on him, everything to keep him in control and not let the journals say anything about him wadering, with is a strange fear, since we see clinton doing this a lot but no journal would even say anything

 

[mrgoodstuff]

and like I said theatrics, they was together because it was better for both to play the part, looking like a lovely couple in front of cameras would net then more point, plus if we really going down to it, it was michelle the president not obama, she keep a short leash on him, everything to keep him in control and not let the journals say anything about him wadering, with is a strange fear, since we see clinton doing this a lot but no journal would even say anything

Those "real couple" pics go way back to college days dude. Everything in this world isnt fake.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

first rodeo? nah i'm dating around if I find her interesting enough, but my tolerance is pretty low so i'm most on casual, now if you are mentioning it me using hookers, nah,

Not that i was calling you out.

Personally, i get a raging hard on for pulling baaaaaes, having a flirt, and taking my ****kkk out. Even if I don't pull or i strike out, I always enjoy the pursuit and the process as a whole.

i'm good on gathering info, and I read a lot, what i'm stating is from guys I talk with and know in some instances from clients and otehr guys I know, hell I know some who are in that open marriage arragement, and another guys who liked to watch his wife getting from other guys.

That's called a cuck.

The fellas in question can't compete. Male feminist or manlet, soy boys, low testosterone.

As for opwn marriage, no alpha OG plays said game. Its cuckoldry.

i'm not prejudice to then, its just not my thing, and here we are just saying what we think and if IT would change teh female/male dynamic, with I belive it would be none or pretty small, plus all the others thing I already mentioned

and now you mention politics using this, taht is nothing new and they will not indulge on this save what will give then votes. they will sell the image

I am prejudice as ****kkk.

I don't like feminists, cucks, soy boys, girlie men, and low testosterone.

its like obama with his marriage, I kewn from up front everything he did with his wife was theatrics, but a lot of the left love to use the mention on how trump treated his wife against how obama did with his wife, I only did think one is a political marriage, the other she married him for the money, diference was mainly one was lying the other don't even bother to think what other think.

Blacks voted for the cuck regardless of the political perspective they hold. Classic case of retarded in group preference and how did that work out? More blacks are unplugging.

For the past 25yrs, black men were portrayed as alpha and masculine. More recently, blacks are being beta or blatantly cucked. I saw some discussion on a movie where a black man was cucked by his wife. He finds hot young barely legal white girl only to drop her to take back his wife and cement his cuckoldry status.

funny how all that memes and comparations disapear when obama divorced, no?

Lulz

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Your post has just given me a brain wave. With all of this modern say 3rd wave Feminism that supposedly champions the ability for women to choose, is it not possible that by this very definition that it is the 3rd wave SJW Feminazis that could be the ones to get this legislated either directly or indirectly and therefor bring about the conclusion that you have stated? Wouldn't it be ironic if this was the case?

Outside sugar babies, it is technically though not popularised. If seniors status, who gives a ****kkk.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Regardless of what influences it, people do all of those things because they want to, not because they forced to. Not everyone has a $3k iPhone. Those who do make up a very small minority of the population. Not everyone travel extensively. Those who do make up a very small minority of the population. Not every woman is going to fall in line. Those who do will make up a very small minority of the population.

You simply cannot force ALL people to behave in ONE certain way, MOST PARTICULARLY when it comes to personal feelings, attraction, etc.

Which is precisely why you cannot expect a rigid and universal outcome, i.e., all women will fall in line.

IMHO, flipping the script is OG is spot on.

As in, the pc culture and #metoo era, vid all pulls. Screen shot nudes.

Not in the mood means next.

 

[Alvafe]

Those "real couple" pics go way back to college days dude. Everything in this world isnt fake.

then tell me why divorced now?

during college? yeah ok I can belive, after? in front of cameras? plus you really belive there was not people who act in front of others in a way and alone other?

you are trying to defend your idea they had something nice, you should just think they could have something nice ONCE

 

[mrgoodstuff]

then tell me why divorced now?

during college? yeah ok I can belive, after? in front of cameras? plus you really belive there was not people who act in front of others in a way and alone other?

you are trying to defend your idea they had something nice, you should just think they could have something nice ONCE

Divorce was a rumor. Why dont you fact check the Obama divorce situation?

 

[MatureDJ]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Why pay when I can get it for free?

Last year I went on a trip with a bunch of guys from work, somehow we always end up in a strip club where they sell sex. I just tag along until we leave to go to a real bar, any girl who approach I immediately tell that I won't be buying what I get for free, but I don't mind having a conversation. They tend to sit there and actually just talk about random stuff, no pushing or anything.

What if you can't get it for free?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

What if you can't get it for free?

Then you need to reevaluate your self worth.

 

[touma.akagi]

If it became legal, in America, it'd become a regulated business requiring a license, taxed the **** out of (be it by states themselves or the fed) so that the government would be able to rake in coin from it. Combine that and the "it's legal now, so it's not cool anymore" attitude some prostitutes may take, and many of them would either retire or just continue doing unlicensed black market work in brothels that haven't been audited.... yet.

Funny thing is, that if this happened, and men woke up and quit paying hookers, the business would lose money, the government would squeeze them drier, and it just wouldn't become profitable anymore. I'm not for heavy taxation on anything, mind you, it's just hilarious to think about.

 

[corrector]

Google ‘Escorts refuse black men’.
I don’t want to turn this into a race thing

It's a valid point and seems to be the only main bias on most of the ads out there. Unless you can point any other bias on ads that exists, and not one or two isolated ads, but on an extreme level like that, then I'm all ears.

but that’s just one example of how prostitutes can be selective,

It is actually the only example because you don't really see any other types of restrictions. This affects roughly half of the ads. Of the ads where it is not mentioned, you wonder if they forgot to put it in. In fact to feel somewhat safe, ads that say "no discrimination or accepting all nationalities" are not even written, or that include "blacks welcome". Those types of ads are very far and few in between. It underscores that there is an ugly undercurrent of racism in society.

and I’m referring to one’s who don’t have pimps and operate solo, usually the ones from the back pages ads.

They took down backpage last year in April or so. They now have leolist or listcrawler to replace those.

I don’t think it would have any relevance to how the average women dates.

Why don't you google and see what race of guys gets the most replies or success with online dating. It's a double-whammy being incel and also being discriminated against at the same time, yet, most actual incel attacks are by white people.

 

[Serenity]

What if you can't get it for free?

Then you're not doing it right.

 

[HankHill]

I think legalization will do multiple things:

1. Men who don't have the pick up skills but aren't fugly (ummm bigdave17 types) will not be frustrated if they haven't gotten laid in a few months and avoid going on some lunatic incel rampage of some kind.

2. Sure the prostitutes can be selective but there will be all kinds available from the model look alikes to the gross kind...so take your pick. I'm thinking it'll be like Uber of sex...might even be the Uber drivers earning side income from providing the full service lol

3. Most women on OLD are hit up for sexual favors, many won't do it but they love the attention, it feeds their ego to the point where a 5 SMV woman rejects a 7 SMV guy or at the very least doesn't take him seriously. That demand will lessen and supply will increase and that will tip in men's favor...in theory. The woman I've been dating for a while now had 600+ messages on the dating app, I had 1/10th of that...most of these guys had decent looks but "weren't attractive or didn't project a good vibe" according to her...and she's no 20yo hottie so the imbalance should definitely tip in men's favor. Look at places like Thailand etc where it is legal, women aren't pedestalized as much as in NA. Even women in Eu are not as spoiled as here.

 

[AJ84]

It's a valid point and seems to be the only main bias on most of the ads out there. Unless you can point any other bias on ads that exists, and not one or two isolated ads, but on an extreme level like that, then I'm all ears.



It is actually the only example because you don't really see any other types of restrictions. This affects roughly half of the ads. Of the ads where it is not mentioned, you wonder if they forgot to put it in. In fact to feel somewhat safe, ads that say "no discrimination or accepting all nationalities" are not even written, or that include "blacks welcome". Those types of ads are very far and few in between. It underscores that there is an ugly undercurrent of racism in society.



They took down backpage last year in April or so. They now have leolist or listcrawler to replace those.



Why don't you google and see what race of guys gets the most replies or success with online dating. It's a double-whammy being incel and also being discriminated against at the same time, yet, most actual incel attacks are by white people.

Yeah it was just the race thing I remember reading about. I think someone referenced weight or something but the race one was what seems most prominent.

For sure, they are not super selective because it’s a job, but they can refuse if they want to, basically being a hooker doesn’t mean they have no say in who they sleep with (unless trafficked). And certainly, a guy who can’t get a hot girl in normal dating circumstances can punch above his weight by paying an attractive hooker to sleep with him.

But regarding this motivating women to step in line, I’m not sure about that. Sleeping with a hooker is not the same as sleeping with a woman who genuinely wants to sleep with you and is attracted to you.
Also a hooker is not interested in you as a person, your hopes and dreams, how your day went etc, they won’t be sending you soup if you’re sick or making you a meal, they are not interested in falling into your frame. It’s a job to them, and they are only as invested as the time they have allotted to you before they meet their next job.
Women, I don’t think, will be too concerned about men going to hookers who have no real interest in them as people anyway. This is not a threat to women. Now, if those hookers wanted to LTR these guys and offer hooker quality sex and exclusivity and devotion, then maybe that will be more of a threat lol.

But I think legalizing it is a good thing, it can reduce stigma and I can see how it can help build some sexual confidence and is an outlet for guys who may be struggling to get laid and a good option for guys who only want sex and nothing else from women.

 

[corrector]

Yeah it was just the race thing I remember reading about. I think someone referenced weight or something but the race one was what seems most prominent.

For sure, they are not super selective because it’s a job, but they can refuse if they want to, basically being a hooker doesn’t mean they have no say in who they sleep with (unless trafficked). And certainly, a guy who can’t get a hot girl in normal dating circumstances can punch above his weight by paying an attractive hooker to sleep with him.

You don't see that set-up as gross through?

But regarding this motivating women to step in line, I’m not sure about that. Sleeping with a hooker is not the same as sleeping with a woman who genuinely wants to sleep with you and is attracted to you.
Also a hooker is not interested in you as a person, your hopes and dreams, how your day went etc, they won’t be sending you soup if you’re sick or making you a meal, they are not interested in falling into your frame. It’s a job to them, and they are only as invested as the time they have allotted to you before they meet their next job.

Neither is a bad spouse or girlfriend.

 

[HankHill]

Yeah it was just the race thing I remember reading about. I think someone referenced weight or something but the race one was what seems most prominent.

For sure, they are not super selective because it’s a job, but they can refuse if they want to, basically being a hooker doesn’t mean they have no say in who they sleep with (unless trafficked). And certainly, a guy who can’t get a hot girl in normal dating circumstances can punch above his weight by paying an attractive hooker to sleep with him.

But regarding this motivating women to step in line, I’m not sure about that. Sleeping with a hooker is not the same as sleeping with a woman who genuinely wants to sleep with you and is attracted to you.
Also a hooker is not interested in you as a person, your hopes and dreams, how your day went etc, they won’t be sending you soup if you’re sick or making you a meal, they are not interested in falling into your frame. It’s a job to them, and they are only as invested as the time they have allotted to you before they meet their next job.
Women, I don’t think, will be too concerned about men going to hookers who have no real interest in them as people anyway. This is not a threat to women. Now, if those hookers wanted to LTR these guys and offer hooker quality sex and exclusivity and devotion, then maybe that will be more of a threat lol.

But I think legalizing it is a good thing, it can reduce stigma and I can see how it can help build some sexual confidence and is an outlet for guys who may be struggling to get laid and a good option for guys who only want sex and nothing else from women.

The two points I highlighted...

1. In a world of supply and demand, desperation=demand, women=supply. Men won't be that desperate because they can get laid pretty easily. This will automatically raise their standards of who they choose to date and the lower SMV women will no longer get the attention they get from desperate men. In other words kill the desperation and the demand will lessen, less demand will make the supply less valuable and the world order will be restored again LOL! Legalization will also lessen the stigma associated with the longest surviving profession in the history of mankind so sleeping with a hooker won't be seen as it is today. Places that legalize it today show that too.

2. That's like 90% of the SS community and what's taught here! lol

 

[AJ84]

You don't see that set-up as gross through?



Neither is a bad spouse or girlfriend.

I don’t see consensual paid sex as gross, no.

And you’re right, a bad spouse can also be just as uncaring.

it’s just that it’s a 99.9% guarantee with a hooker. She’s not going to be a bit*h to him and will listen to his problems, sure, she’ll give him the girlfriend experience but she expects to be paid for that act. In that regard she doesn’t care, she will be sweet for money but it’s fake.

I imagine that for some guys who buy their services, it’s the no stings/no drama/no bs aspect that appeals to them in addition to the sex. She’s not going to nag or be clingy. I’m assuming this so guys who pay for this chime in I may be way off here.