Do you think the decriminalization of sex work would make women in general have a better attitude?

[AJ84]

It’s legal in Germany and The Netherlands, are women vastly different in those countries? More pleasing and agreeable?

Asking anyone who is lives or lived there, or any other place where it’s legal. Any differences in dating and how women treat men that can be directly attributed to legal prostitution?

 

[sazc]

You are lying to yourself. Women hate women that are sex workers if they get around their husbands and every sane and mature person knows it.

Prostitution should be legalised & de-penalised (where it's penalised) to force so-called 'ladies' to behave as they should - in non-slutty manner.

Insecure women may be uneasy with their man around a sex worker.
Resentful women (women who are resentful of their man for not fulfilling their needs) woukd love for him to cheat. A valid reason to finally file for divorce.

 

[Who Dares Win]

It’s legal in Germany and The Netherlands, are women vastly different in those countries? More pleasing and agreeable?

Asking anyone who is lives or lived there, or any other place where it’s legal. Any differences in dating and how women treat men that can be directly attributed to legal prostitution?

Actually yes, there is an incredible difference between german and italian women despite those countries being not that far from each other.

Same thing with dutch and english women, neither the germans nor the dutch women are enslaved or anything yet in my experience they know that after a certain threshold the man get p1ssed off and drops them while the amount of humiliation and harassment that english and italian men are used to experience with their women is beyong human dignity.

Funny thing is that in britain escorts are seen as dirty and disgusting while single moms with 3 kids from 3 different men and living on welfare are seen as victims that deserve respect....I guess its immoral only when you get paid from the guy who bangs you rather than from those that dont even know you.

 

[AJ84]

Actually yes, there is an incredible difference between german and italian women despite those countries being not that far from each other.

Same thing with dutch and english women, neither the germans nor the dutch women are enslaved or anything yet in my experience they know that after a certain threshold the man get p1ssed off and drops them while the amount of humiliation and harassment that english and italian men are used to experience with their women is beyong human dignity.

Funny thing is that in britain escorts are seen as dirty and disgusting while single moms with 3 kids from 3 different men and living on welfare are seen as victims that deserve respect....I guess its immoral only when you get paid from the guy who bangs you rather than from those that dont even know you.

Interesting. I would think after a point of bs from a woman the man should leave, prostitution being legal or not. But are these guys leaving to have relationships with prostitutes? Or are they leaving because the threshold for bs is lower there than in other cultures, regardless of whether prostitution is legal or not?
I guess what I’m asking is, is prostitution being legal leading men to use that as a reason to leave women who give them sh*t? Are they forgoing relationships with women and opting instead to just buy sexual encounters with various women?
It would be interesting to see if there is a direction connection there, ruling out any other factors.
I’m sure for men who really don’t want anything other than sex, going to a prostitute is the best way to get that need met. Makes complete sense. I personally don’t see why it has to be illegal if a woman willingly wants to do it for an income and there are men who will pay to have that kind of hassle free sexual experience.
Like why is that a crime? Weird.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I was reading about NY considering decriminalization, and it got me thinking:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-...-decriminalization_n_5c7444cae4b03a10c2309c4d

Of course, even if it became legal, men should be careful:

Its too easy to pull now a days. Why pay? I guess if 60 and you got barely legal sugar baby.

If midget or low born, a guy can do whatever. Genuine desire cannot be bought.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

You are lying to yourself. Women hate women that are sex workers if they get around their husbands and every sane and mature person knows it.

Prostitution should be legalised & de-penalised (where it's penalised) to force so-called 'ladies' to behave as they should - in non-slutty manner.

It would devalue sexual access. Its already too easy to pull as is. Technology makes it simple. Pickup is another funnel. Marriage is decline due to divorce rape and cucking. Furthermore, its too easy to pull baeeees so, why pay? I think it would help incels but it coincides with man is bad and don't judge *****s.

 

[corrector]

Its too easy to pull now a days. Why pay? I guess if 60 and you got barely legal sugar baby.

If midget or low born, a guy can do whatever. Genuine desire cannot be bought.

You must be a Chad or Chad-lite to think that way, so you may not get how it is for the other 80-90% of guys where that would sound like dreamland.
You don't need genuine desire, you need a hot warm-blooded female that you are very excited to be around and she's letting you do stuff to her and you feel like you are totally in control. If a woman has genuine desire and you are not turned on by her, or like her, then that also feels off. Someone you are paying to service you sounds hot, but it has a very short shelf-life as it's simply too gross and soul-wrecking (i..e the principle of paying a total stranger who is seeing a high volume of other guys (i.e. some being really sketchy creepy pervert types or real weirdos, etc... - and possibly one just before you came, or just after you left like it's nothing to her). This is why I agree with Mike32's assessment, that this stuff is simply too gross and it's not the issue of paying for it, it's the grossness of the whole set-up.

 

[Fruitbat]

Not sure of US but prostitution isn’t illegal in most western countries. It just can’t be commercial. It can be done in private agreement.

Would it make women “fall in line”? No. All the issues a lot of you speak of are due to low birth rates making younger women a sought after commodity.

Note that after wars, men tend to have a good run of it.

Played out through history. Supply and demand.

 

[Serenity]

For that kind of a man, legal prostitution is unnecessary. He already has access to those goods, for free. Simply put, sex acquired from prostitution is not a supplement for, or will yield the benefits of, a high sexual market value.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Why pay when I can get it for free?

Last year I went on a trip with a bunch of guys from work, somehow we always end up in a strip club where they sell sex. I just tag along until we leave to go to a real bar, any girl who approach I immediately tell that I won't be buying what I get for free, but I don't mind having a conversation. They tend to sit there and actually just talk about random stuff, no pushing or anything.

 

[Serenity]

It just can’t be commercial. It can be done in private agreement.

They have legally organized brothels in Netherlands and Germany, so it can be commercial if your country isn't backwards and afraid of sex. I live in Norway, we're oddly enough too "decent" for that type of thing though...

 

[Fruitbat]

They have legally organized brothels in Netherlands and Germany, so it can be commercial if your country isn't backwards and afraid of sex. I live in Norway, we're oddly enough too "decent" for that type of thing though...

I would rather have it under the radar. Things were a lot better when sex was something people thought about and not as it is today, people literally rutting like hogs with no respect for the consequences.

Perhaps if I saw hot women at a price on the way home from work, I’d be tempted. In a decriminalised, non commercial context like the UK, I have to search for it if I want it.

People always have and always will buy and sell sex. Keeping it a little low key helps it not become the dominant form of sex, protects people’s marriages and a little shame attached to it ensures people don’t get hurt.

I can’t help it but I think there is something a bit distasteful about selling sex of buying it, but I don’t wish to ban it.

 

[Alvafe]

Its too easy to pull now a days. Why pay? I guess if 60 and you got barely legal sugar baby.

If midget or low born, a guy can do whatever. Genuine desire cannot be bought.

you are paying in the end anyway, unless you already a girl and are sex buddies with her and she don't try anything other then having sex with you, plus on dating you are not sure she will put out.


just remember the old joke, what is the diference from a prostitute to a normal woman? the prostitute is cheaper



but the problem would still stay, the shamming who comes from it, be the girl, any guy who have respect for himself would never get in a LTR with one or someone who did it(unless he have a cuck fetish), and the shamming to the guy since he "can't" pull a girl and having a "meaninfull" LTR with a girl, its kinda hard to see a guy saying he did use a prostitute, even less often

like I said it can maybe lower the desperation in some guys, but a lot of then would still keep the desperation because of the whole shamming to it, and tah is not considerating the whole ego play on such person

 

[Mike32ct]

Just one minor “asterisk footnote,” whether it’s legalization of prostitution or weed or whatever, I don’t think tax revenue potential is a strong argument in favor of such proposals.

No matter how much revenue you give politicians, it will NEVER ever be enough. It will get pissed away, and they will seek more. But that’s another thread. I won’t go there.

If you want to make other arguments for legalization such as STD risk reduction, reducing human trafficking and putting pimps out of business, that makes much more sense.

 

[Alvafe]

Making it legal won’t change the fact that women still choose who they sleep with, even hookers do that (trafficked women excIuded). I remember an article about customers complaining that back page ads stated restrictions on the types of men they would not provide service to. Then there was this YouTube clip about a sex tourist complaining that women at some brothel got to choose the men, not the other way around.

I do think it should be fully legal though, I mean it could be a decent source of gov revenue and it’s not going away anytime soon.

ok now I want to see the sources of it, I do read and know they do limit what sex act they are up to and the price, but now choose the client? that only did happen, history mind you, if the courtesan was in high demand, she had so many RICH clients she could choose who she would indulge with, so save for pornstars, and a rich dude take her as a mistress I doubt she would live with it, more then likely a fetish of her and a way to make extra is the only reason I can see from it

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

you are paying in the end anyway, unless you already a girl and are sex buddies with her and she don't try anything other then having sex with you, plus on dating you are not sure she will put out.

I smash asap or i ghost. 3x or I'm out. Dating is for phaggots.

The inexpensive route is casual hangs. Coffee is almost free.

just remember the old joke, what is the diference from a prostitute to a normal woman? the prostitute is cheaper

The saying is that, you pay the hooker to leave. It gets at women and their predisposition to nesting.

I wouldn't know. Pulling is far too easy and i fiend the process. From open, to hook, to handling logistics, going balls dee0, and then going back to spinning more plates.

I am sensing this isn't your first rodeo lol

but the problem would still stay, the shamming who comes from it, be the girl, any guy who have respect for himself would never get in a LTR with one or someone who did it(unless he have a cuck fetish), and the shamming to the guy since he "can't" pull a girl and having a "meaninfull" LTR with a girl, its kinda hard to see a guy saying he did use a prostitute, even less often

I can't get where you are going with this outside advocacy for self indulgence of hookers.

like I said it can maybe lower the desperation in some guys, but a lot of then would still keep the desperation because of the whole shamming to it, and tah is not considerating the whole ego play on such person

We live in incredible times of prosperity in sexual promiscuity whereby, technology makes it possible to pickup regardless of a man's cowardice and inability to approach.

Unless low born, midget, male feminist or doy boy, i cant fathom why any man would pay? Women are just giving it up. Its hilarious to acknowledge women believe that they are empowered by cratering SMV.

Enjoy the demise friend.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Just one minor “asterisk footnote,” whether it’s legalization of prostitution or weed or whatever, I don’t think tax revenue potential is a strong argument in favor of such proposals.

No matter how much revenue you give politicians, it will NEVER ever be enough. It will get pissed away, and they will seek more. But that’s another thread. I won’t go there.

If you want to make other arguments for legalization such as STD risk reduction, reducing human trafficking and putting pimps out of business, that makes much more sense.

Its funny politicians won't advocate that yet, they will actively use said services.

I heard the legal age somewhere in the west was lowered below 16. I wonder why?

Someone wanted premature poon.

These sick ****s should be taken out, shot, and pissed on.

 

[Alvafe]

I smash asap or i ghost. 3x or I'm out. Dating is for phaggots.

The inexpensive route is casual hangs. Coffee is almost free.



The saying is that, you pay the hooker to leave. It gets at women and their predisposition to nesting.

I wouldn't know. Pulling is far too easy and i fiend the process. From open, to hook, to handling logistics, going balls dee0, and then going back to spinning more plates.

I am sensing this isn't your first rodeo lol



I can't get where you are going with this outside advocacy for self indulgence of hookers.



We live in incredible times of prosperity in sexual promiscuity whereby, technology makes it possible to pickup regardless of a man's cowardice and inability to approach.

Unless low born, midget, male feminist or doy boy, i cant fathom why any man would pay? Women are just giving it up. Its hilarious to acknowledge women believe that they are empowered by cratering SMV.

Enjoy the demise friend.

first rodeo? nah i'm dating around if I find her interesting enough, but my tolerance is pretty low so i'm most on casual, now if you are mentioning it me using hookers, nah,

i'm good on gathering info, and I read a lot, what i'm stating is from guys I talk with and know in some instances from clients and otehr guys I know, hell I know some who are in that open marriage arragement, and another guys who liked to watch his wife getting from other guys.

i'm not prejudice to then, its just not my thing, and here we are just saying what we think and if IT would change teh female/male dynamic, with I belive it would be none or pretty small, plus all the others thing I already mentioned

and now you mention politics using this, taht is nothing new and they will not indulge on this save what will give then votes. they will sell the image

its like obama with his marriage, I kewn from up front everything he did with his wife was theatrics, but a lot of the left love to use the mention on how trump treated his wife against how obama did with his wife, I only did think one is a political marriage, the other she married him for the money, diference was mainly one was lying the other don't even bother to think what other think.

funny how all that memes and comparations disapear when obama divorced, no?

 

[AJ84]

ok now I want to see the sources of it, I do read and know they do limit what sex act they are up to and the price, but now choose the client? that only did happen, history mind you, if the courtesan was in high demand, she had so many RICH clients she could choose who she would indulge with, so save for pornstars, and a rich dude take her as a mistress I doubt she would live with it, more then likely a fetish of her and a way to make extra is the only reason I can see from it

Google ‘Escorts refuse black men’.
I don’t want to turn this into a race thing but that’s just one example of how prostitutes can be selective, and I’m referring to one’s who don’t have pimps and operate solo, usually the ones from the back pages ads.
If you want to see something totally gross, google ‘my sex tourist boyfriend’ and meet Bob. It’s an extreme example of a brothel operation in a poor country but this Bob guy is unbelievable lol.
Even those sugar babies have preferences or will demand more money, if the guy is totally ugly or ancient or something, according to their forum. Or they will have sex with some clients but not others if they are not attracted.
I guess what I’m saying is that even if is legal, women may still say no to some guys. In fact, if it was legal and regulated, they will be better protected and supported and in a better position to be picky if they wanted to be.

I don’t think it would have any relevance to how the average women dates.

 

[AJ84]

You're very wrong on this.

The problem is that you're looking at sex as if it has a fixed value; that if all men had access to regular sex, that the value of sex = 0, therefor forcing women to depend on good behavior to compensate due to that loss of influence

But it does not work like that.

Any typical, average guy can go out and drastically increase the amount of sex available to him by hitting those dive bars at 2 am for some fugly b*tch with a mustache and 3 missing teeth that nobody has talked to all night and swoop in like a Super-Chad, if they really want to. But most guys are not going to stoop down so low, and even those who do, would it be realistic of them to truly expect all women in general to "fall in line" and be more respectful with him simply because he now has some regular pvssy coming in?

Probably not.

All sex is not equal.

Women do not admire and respect a man simply because he has access to the end result: sex. They admire a man who actually possess the traits and qualities that lures desirable and attractive women into him.

When a man pays for sex from a prostitute, legal or not, it is often because he lacks the precise traits that women so often admire in a man. Traits that a woman will want to preserve a relationship for.

A man who lacks those traits will not yield these kinds of behaviors from women.

You cannot rent that sh*t. You must own it.

Yeah. Exactly. This theory of women’s sexual market lowering due to the legalization of prostitution is based on the value men place on sex, not women. It’s coming from a male perspective.

Women are attracted to and motivated to submit to men who have qualities they find attractive. Being able to bang prostitutes is not something we define as an attractive quality because someone is being paid to pretend to enjoy the sex and the guy giving it. Even if the prostitute is selective on who she services, she’s not going to do it for free, it’s a job, and she’s being paid to act, basically.

Far far far different than a guy who women are genuinely attracted to.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

first rodeo? nah i'm dating around if I find her interesting enough, but my tolerance is pretty low so i'm most on casual, now if you are mentioning it me using hookers, nah,

i'm good on gathering info, and I read a lot, what i'm stating is from guys I talk with and know in some instances from clients and otehr guys I know, hell I know some who are in that open marriage arragement, and another guys who liked to watch his wife getting from other guys.

i'm not prejudice to then, its just not my thing, and here we are just saying what we think and if IT would change teh female/male dynamic, with I belive it would be none or pretty small, plus all the others thing I already mentioned

and now you mention politics using this, taht is nothing new and they will not indulge on this save what will give then votes. they will sell the image

its like obama with his marriage, I kewn from up front everything he did with his wife was theatrics, but a lot of the left love to use the mention on how trump treated his wife against how obama did with his wife, I only did think one is a political marriage, the other she married him for the money, diference was mainly one was lying the other don't even bother to think what other think.

funny how all that memes and comparations disapear when obama divorced, no?

Wow dude. The Obama couple was very supportive before politics. Pics can be seen of this way back... All couples arent selfish pieces of poop.