Why incels are a 'real and present threat'...

[Serenity]

@Grewd do you mind explaining ?

I would also just be repeating myself. It doesn't even matter if blame is rightfully placed at the world, it's beyond our control. What we can control is ourselves. So we do have a choice, we can sit around and hope the world changes for the better (extremely unlikely) or we can adapt and overcome.

The situation of an incel is definitely not involuntary. They're in complete denial about the choice they have, they're blind to the fact that they are the problem and not the world.

 

[corrector]

I would never believe that violence to random people sends any constructive message and it's unfortunately that "incel" has now become an anti-social right-wing term describing disenfranchised white people who no longer have as much as a one over other people in different races and women thanks to the media and these nut-jobs that thrashed this whole thing to the mud. A Black person or any Non-White can't even be categorized as an "Incel" unless Black, Indian, Asian guys start going crazy too and claiming "incel". Don't understand how something which could be a legitimate social commentary like that could get twisted and sound like a branch of the KKK.

 

[Trump]

They're in complete denial about the choice they have, they're blind to the fact that they are the problem and not the world.

We are talking about, and this site is also about, getting women, not the world being unfair.

What choice do they have that will allow them to get women? If they fix their “problem” how will they get women?

I must be a layman here.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Why do people regard bigdave17 as an incel? He's not a true incel. He's been with 14 women or so he argued before. How can someone who has been with that many woman and have other women open up to him that he is not attracted to be called an "incel" on here?

Hes "incel" because due to his choices he is INVOLUNTARILY CELEBATE. As he tightens down even more firmly in his current strategy he will continue to stew in a creepy non sexual vibe.

 

[Trump]

Going up to women with the same smv and asking them out and not acting like a little b1tch.

OK. So asking a woman act forcefully will result in the man not being an incel and danger to society? I still don’t understand.

Please someone simply explain to me: how is being an incel not involuntary? Please explain what a man can specifically do to STOP being an incel in the next 7-10 days.

I need to be enlightened.

 

[SoSuave666]

OK. So asking a woman act forcefully will result in the man not being an incel and danger to society? I still don’t understand.

Please someone simply explain to me: how is being an incel not involuntary? Please explain what a man can specifically do to STOP being an incel in the next 7-10 days.

I need to be enlightened.

Hire a prostitute.

 

[Trump]

You chose to ignore the meat of what I said and focus on one point and strawman it.

You said they are overwhelmingly mentally ill. OK fair enough. Once a third element is brought in to the argument, that can easily prevent a man from getting women, I can’t debate anymore.

 

[Trump]

Hire a prostitute.

+1

THIS is all I wanted to hear.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I completely disagree. He’s been wanting higher quality women. That’s all I need to know.
14 women isn’t that many at all.

I wouldn't call them higher "quality". He probably piped some really kind ladies. His new target is hardened and experienced female daters who are exploiting the spoils of their "looks". Or higher level GAME.

 

[corrector]

Hes "incel" because due to his choices he is INVOLUNTARILY CELEBATE. As he tightens down even more firmly in his current strategy he will continue to stew in a creepy non sexual vibe.

I'm not sure I can buy that because for something to have a label, there should be an objective reality rather than a subjective reality fixed to it otherwise it becomes a form of interpretation and anyone can be incel.

If he objectively can get women but has a system of choices where he is unable to then he can't be involuntary celibate because he can always lower his standards. I feel Bigdave17 is claiming, at face value, to have it made and is doing well in life and is able to talk to women who are highly motivated and interested in him which he doesn't want. He may not be a happy camper, but he's not incel.

 

[corrector]

It is in your very statement that an incel is often stuck within the belief that it is all involuntary to begin with.

No incel on the planet has merely one small issue that can easily be turned around in a week. All have a significant number of issues, some psychological and some physical, each issue having varying degrees of severity depending on the individual, with each issue often requiring months and in many cases even years to correct. And all of these issues must be worked on simultaneously.

Name a few issues that would take months or years of correction? Think of two or three incels you know. What are their issues you feel is holding them back from women?

This is where the involuntary belief comes from. To do such a thing without extreme guidance is virtually impossible to do.

So they need a dating coach? Like the movie, "Hitch" 2005, lol!?

And herin lies another part of the problem. Even in cases where an incel is willing to follow the advice of a "guru", no single piece of advice, even if it is 100% accurate and indisputable, will work for an incel. This is because there is no single effort such a man can make that will overcome all of the other issues single handedly.

You mean inner games or the confidence to deliver the opening lines within 3 seconds of meeting someone randomly? Approaching women who aren't plugged into their smartphones?

This creates another very significant problem: In every instance where an incel willingly listens to a "guru", he will fail because the other issues are too much to overcome with a single handed effort. And it will be in that failure that the incel will reinforce his belief that the guru is full of sh*t; that his advice is wrong, does not and never will apply to the incel, etc. hence....he rails and debates and argues against the very men (and women in some cases) who can actually help him.

Truth be told, the only way out for an incel is the same way he got in. He must continue to forge through failure and rejection, the only difference being, he must continue to endure this as he continues to make small, consistent changes for the better over a long period of time, for months and years; tiny victories that lead to no significant results by themselves, but will add up over time.

This is precisely what an incel DOESNT want to do, because he has already failed more than enough. He is too thirsty for victory to have such perseverance and patience.

Thought dating gurus were outmoded because of the smartphone, the bad publicity from incels, and bad publicity from gurus as stalking and sexually harassing women. Maybe we should talk about how society is frowning on the whole thing? First you had the demise of the dating gurus because feminist went on the attack and cried sexual harassment. The second step is you have these incel attacks on society. It's like a social breakdown when you start making a climate where it becomes a criminal offense to approach a woman or when people like Roosh or other dating gurus are basically demonized.

You sound like you make some sense Amante, but don't you think your mind-set is 5 years a bit too old because of this shift in culture?

 

[corrector]

Hire a prostitute.

That only realistically works if it's not a sin and you are not attacked by demons afterwards. Unfortunately such is the case in this universe and I didn't make the rules but I know there is hell to pay if I break them.

 

[Trump]

It is in your very statement that an incel is often stuck within the belief that it is all involuntary to begin with.

No incel on the planet has merely one small issue that can easily be turned around in a week. All have a significant number of issues, some psychological and some physical, each issue having varying degrees of severity depending on the individual, with each issue often requiring months and in many cases even years to correct. And all of these issues must be worked on simultaneously.

This is where the involuntary belief comes from. To do such a thing without extreme guidance is virtually impossible to do.

And herin lies another part of the problem. Even in cases where an incel is willing to follow the advice of a "guru", no single piece of advice, even if it is 100% accurate and indisputable, will work for an incel. This is because there is no single effort such a man can make that will overcome all of the other issues single handedly.

This creates another very significant problem: In every instance where an incel willingly listens to a "guru", he will fail because the other issues are too much to overcome with a single handed effort. And it will be in that failure that the incel will reinforce his belief that the guru is full of sh*t; that his advice is wrong, does not and never will apply to the incel, etc. hence....he rails and debates and argues against the very men (and women in some cases) who can actually help him.

Truth be told, the only way out for an incel is the same way he got in. He must continue to forge through failure and rejection, the only difference being, he must continue to endure this as he continues to make small, consistent changes for the better over a long period of time, for months and years; tiny victories that lead to no significant results by themselves, but will add up over time.

This is precisely what an incel DOESNT want to do, because he has already failed more than enough. He is too thirsty for victory to have such perseverance and patience.

Good points. This is what I wanted to hear too.


Much better advice that the massive players in here who sleep with young women with their eyes closed, and say:

1) Stop blaming and start taking responsibility in how you look,
2) In how you talk
3) In how act
4) Be great
5) IDGAF
6) Screw these bitches
7) Don’t value them
8) Its all confidence
9) Follow my lead
10) Sex or Next

Give me a break.

 

[Ranger]

I would never believe that violence to random people sends any constructive message and it's unfortunately that "incel" has now become an anti-social right-wing term describing disenfranchised white people who no longer have as much as a one over other people in different races and women thanks to the media and these nut-jobs that thrashed this whole thing to the mud. A Black person or any Non-White can't even be categorized as an "Incel" unless Black, Indian, Asian guys start going crazy too and claiming "incel". Don't understand how something which could be a legitimate social commentary like that could get twisted and sound like a branch of the KKK.

It’s a proganda trick. It uses a function of the human mind. Advertisers also capitalize on it.

Let’s say a piece of information comes into you. Your mind seeks to place it with associations. Aftershave with sex with hot women etc.

The media uses it to bundle it with something that nearly everyone can demonize. People are always trying to bundle together the nazi’s with most anything. It’s loosing its power.

Most anything the slave makers and media doesn’t like, to create controversy and gain viewership will bundle up Incel’s with right wing nut jobs despite the fact that 99% of mass shooters came from leftist families. Documented fact.

There is a whole science to propaganda. It was not perfect by Germany. That would be a lie. It was perfected by the US and the some of the West.
These are PR specialists.

 

[Chi Town]

Incels and mgtow are simply guys who are unsuccessful with women and get frustrated and then these are the results.

No excuse, there's plenty of men who didn't start off doing well with women and then they learned from experience and built there confidence up and became select men.

There's 3 types of men in the dating,

THE SELECT- the guys who are very good with women.

THE AVERAGE- the guys who do decent with women but not the top tier guys.

THE NONSELECT- these are the guys who don't do good with women at all, these are you're incels ECT ECT

If you're not good with women then fix it, it's that simple, it's like a fat person complaining about being fat while doing nothing about it to Change it, get ya fat ass up and work out and try to lose weight.

If there's something in you're life that you are not happy with then change it. No sympathy from me, be a man and do what you gotta do to Change the situation.

Change ya swag up, get better clothes, if you always sport a beard then change it up and go clean shave(vise versa) built you're confidence and social skills up, get a good hair cut ECT it's up to the men to Change there situation in the dating world, spare me with the boo hoo crying sh!t....

Oh and the easiest way to spot a incel is they often blame women for there lack of success.....they say things like
"The game has changed"
"Women ain't sh!t"
"Women only want this or that"

You got guys on here like LA who thinks every girl has a mental illness for example, but it's not his fault, he just has to get out of the bitter phase.

Guys who do good with women could care less about any of those things, Why? Because they are not being treated the same way the non-SELECT guys get treated.

There's plenty of amazing women out here they just don't act that way with the non-select men.......

 

[Chi Town]

Why do people regard bigdave17 as an incel? He's not a true incel. He's been with 14 women or so he argued before. How can someone who has been with that many woman and have other women open up to him that he is not attracted to be called an "incel" on here?

14? That's not a lot bro lol

But no, he's not a incel, he's autistic, I think spaz is the one who picked up on it

 

[Chi Town]

Good points. This is what I wanted to hear too.


Much better advice that the massive players in here who sleep with young women with their eyes closed, and say:

1) Stop blaming and start taking responsibility in how you look,
2) In how you talk
3) In how act
4) Be great
5) IDGAF
6) Screw these bitches
7) Don’t value them
8) Its all confidence
9) Follow my lead
10) Sex or Next

Give me a break.

All those things are true so I don't know why you are saying foolish things like "give me a break"

You can't see with you're eyes closed bro......

 

[Chi Town]

Who cares. I’m not a woman. I was not designed for a fukking handout gift of protection and resources. I’m a hunter. I will kill my own food. Make my own money.
I’m never jealous of a woman and what society gives her. It just makes her even weaker.
Another reason she’s not my equal.
I don’t give a fuk about women beyond wheather I have a connection with them or not. Let her go buy her own pasta and get fat on it. If she wants to take on the world...never, ever hook up with a victim or whimpering man. It’s a slow death for a woman. She needs to reject them instantly.

This is why I fvcks wit ranger......

 

[sazc]

Its an obvious lie, that's why. Someone who has been with 14 women would not have such an unrealistic view of their own value and a pedestal view of women.

Dk if the number count is s lie or not but my running theory on his unwaivering pursuit of "his" perfection is that he is persuing the same type of woman he watches when viewing his porn. His unwaivering dedication to that type is because the porn has spoiled him, he can't get hard for any other type now.

 

[Trump]

If you're not good with women then fix it, it's that simple, it's like a fat person complaining about being fat while doing nothing about it to Change it, get ya fat ass up and work out and try to lose weight.

Change ya swag up, get better clothes, if you always sport a beard then change it up and go clean shave(vise versa) built you're confidence and social skills up, get a good hair cut ECT it's up to the men to Change there situation in the dating world

We are repeating ourselves.

I know a fat person will lose weight going to the gym and eating healthier.

But how does better clothes, clean shave, good hair cut make a man better with women? I fail
to see the correlation.

You got guys on here like LA who thinks every girl has a mental illness for example, but it's not his fault, he just has to get out of the bitter phase.

So if he gets out of the bitter phase, the girls will
come?

Guys who do good with women could care less about any of those things, Why? Because they are not being treated the same way the non-SELECT guys get treated.

There's plenty of amazing women out here they just don't act that way with the non-select men.......

No idea what you are saying here.