“I Love you” and the razor’s edge

[Spaz]

Historically speak


Or going back to the survival of the family as a whole. Resources for the whole
family’s survival, and often the community as a whole, not just the mother.

We also need to consider lack of birth control as a reason for what can be assumed were many unwanted births no? In societies where women don’t have a say over their sexual choices within a marriage. The only way to prevent infanticide is to refrain from sex and how would that go over with the husband? Let’s face it that would not of been an option for the woman anyway because if we are talking about infanticide in the context of limited encomonic resources, we have to consider the social, gender, and cultural make up of these communities where women probably didn’t have many rights to begin with.

I’m not saying that no woman has cruelly killed her kids for purely selfish reasons, like women who kill their kids to get with some guy or because they wanted to go on vacation and couldn’t find a babysitter (actual true case), but for this example of infanticide for economic reasons we have to consider the bigger picture and not limit it to just the woman’s survival. If it was just for the woman’s survival, she would kill all her kids and anyone else who took resources away from her.

Various factors comes into play with infanticide in ancient times.

Scarcity of resources being top.

Back when I was on a trip to Papua New Guinea, I've heard of stories related by the locals there of some tribes eating their own babies - committed by the mother. This was 20 odd years ago.

But in our modern society it's more about psychological infanticide, whereby the mother's survival (lifestyle) is paramount.

 

[Ranger]

There are also cases of fathers killing their wives and children.

Of which 98.2%, by actual toxicology reports are on psychotropic drugs administered by prescription.
The rest are attributed to alcohol.
I guess if you’re about to loose it all it can be tough.

Incidents of rape pregnancies hover around less than 2% in western culture.

I agree that men should use birth control. In fact they should be in charge of the birth control.

Over 90% of abortions are because the mother doesn’t know who the father is or doesn’t want her husband or LTR to find out it’s not his. Look it up. 20% of the people you see walking around? Their father is not who they think it is. This is not new. It’s always been that way.

Answer me this riddle...how can an underage girl can an abortion, a risky medical procedure without parents consent? Yet she can’t even go to the doctor for a cold without the parents consent?

Abortions are kept highly secret by law to cover for the breeding strategy of women and the feminine imperative.
I am not being critical. That’s just the way it is.

 

[AJ84]

Various factors comes into play with infanticide in ancient times.

Scarcity of resources being top.

Back when I was on a trip to Papua New Guinea, I've heard of stories related by the locals there of some tribes eating their own babies - committed by the mother. This was 20 odd years ago.

But in our modern society it's more about psychological infanticide, whereby the mother's survival (lifestyle) is paramount.

I thought the when you stated infanticide by women was tied to a scarcity of resources, you were referring to places or situations where resources were scarce.
I didn’t interpret that to mean lifestyle, which isn’t necessarily resource scarcity.

 

[Ranger]

But in our modern society it's more about psychological infanticide, whereby the mother's survival (lifestyle) is paramount.

Even when she wants to keep the baby. Women will come out of the woodwork to convince her that her lifestyle and life are more important and that the baby will hinder her lifestyle. Her life over the child’s.

This has been politically softened to support the feminine imperative. It’s just normal now.

 

[Ranger]

I thought the when you stated infanticide by women was tied to a scarcity of resources, you were referring to places or situations where resources were scarce.
I didn’t interpret that to mean lifestyle, which isn’t necessarily resource scarcity.

I disagree. It’s what she wants over the children. Self evident.

 

[Spaz]

I thought the when you stated infanticide by women was tied to a scarcity of resources, you were referring to places or situations where resources were scarce.
I didn’t interpret that to mean lifestyle, which isn’t necessarily resource scarcity.

The intent of this infanticide topic is based on the mother's survival.

We covered the scarcity of resources and in the way it's been the same since ancient times and the rebranding of resources into lifestyles.

It's in furtherance of my contention that the feminine imperative = survival and that of her offspring's.

 

[AJ84]

Of which 98.2%, by actual toxicology reports are on psychotropic drugs administered by prescription.
The rest are attributed to alcohol.
I guess if you’re about to loose it all it can be tough.

Incidents of rape pregnancies hover around less than 2% in western culture.

I agree that men should use birth control. In fact they should be in charge of the birth control.

Over 90% of abortions are because the mother doesn’t know who the father is or doesn’t want her husband or LTR to find out it’s not his. Look it up. 20% of the people you see walking around? Their father is not who they think it is. This is not new. It’s always been that way.

Answer me this riddle...how can an underage girl can an abortion, a risky medical procedure without parents consent? Yet she can’t even go to the doctor for a cold without the parents consent?

Abortions are kept highly secret by law to cover for the breeding strategy of women and the feminine imperative.
I am not being critical. That’s just the way it is.

I think abortions are kept secret as not to piss off certain liberal groups yeah, around right to privacy and avoiding the judgement from right wing groups blah blah, like hassle free health clinics where sex trade workers can go to get health care without having to give a lot of personal information.
I don’t know what this breeding strategy is. I’m sure you explained it before but I may have missed it.
But yeah it’s crazy that a girl can get an abortion without her parents consent but needs her parent’s consent for more beneign things.

 

[Spaz]

Even when she wants to keep the baby. Women will come out of the woodwork to convince her that her lifestyle and life are more important and that the baby will hinder her lifestyle. Her life over the child’s.

This has been politically softened to support the feminine imperative. It’s just normal now.

Lifestyle could be equated as a form of "resources" for the modern women.

In a way women has not evolved much since ancient times.

 

[Ranger]

I think abortions are kept secret as not to piss off certain liberal groups yeah, around right to privacy and avoiding the judgement from right wing groups blah blah, like hassle free health clinics where sex trade workers can go to get health care without having to give a lot of personal information.
I don’t know what this breeding strategy is. I’m sure you explained it before but I may have missed it.
But yeah it’s crazy that a girl can get an abortion without her parents consent but needs her parent’s consent for more beneign things.

It secret to keep it secret.

 

[Spaz]

It secret to keep it secret.

When you think about it, men would positively cringe at the very thought of killing off a baby.

He would have no qualms killing another man based on his idealism of what evil is but to kill an innocent child much less a baby is some really evil shiit that would eat at a man's soul.

 

[Ranger]

I don’t know what this breeding strategy is.

First off it’s biological. So it doesn’t evoke any anger it me.
Men display traits that women sort through. When she encounters what her biology assertains is a result of his optimum genetics, she will be attracted to him. This fires chemicals. This program has a strategy. Survival of the human species.

So there are two types of men. Breeders and supporters/resources. When she secured her resources her breeding propensity towards that husband/LTR shut down to a holding pattern.
I call this sex rationing to hold him in place. She’s not consciously rationing anything. She isn’t feeling sexual towards him.

The feminine imperative is about free breeding without repercussions while still acquiring as many resources as she can. This is anti-civilization. We as humans, live in a world where there are no sabertooth tigers and even the poor have fat a$$es.

“What do women want? Optimized Hypergamy with men remaining clueless.”
Rollo Tomassi

We can debate what Hypergamy is but that would be counter productive.

In a nutshell.

 

[Spaz]

First off it’s biological. So it doesn’t evoke any anger it me.
Men display traits that women sort through. When she encounters what her biology assertains is a result of his optimum genetics, she will be attracted to him. This fires chemicals. This program has a strategy. Survival of the human species.

So there are two types of men. Breeders and supporters/resources. When she secured her resources her breeding propensity towards that husband/LTR shut down to a holding pattern.
I call this sex rationing to hold him in place. She’s not consciously rationing anything. She isn’t feeling sexual towards him.

The feminine imperative is about free breeding without repercussions while still acquiring as many resources as she can. This is anti-civilization. We as humans, live in a world where there are no sabertooth tigers and even the poor have fat a$$es.

“What do women want? Optimized Hypergamy with men remaining clueless.”
Rollo Tomassi

We can debate what Hypergamy is but that would be counter productive.

In a nutshell.

In light of our postings here that has the capacity to expose the feminine imperative for what it truly is, turning both men and women alike from their past perceptions, men reading this must understand that the feminine imperative is not consciously done out of malice.

Women's basic programming (feminine imperative) drives their thought processes and moulds their feelings to supercede logic or higher levels of idealism - love.

 

[Ranger]

In light of our postings here that has the capacity to expose the feminine imperative for what it truly is, turning both men and women alike from their past perceptions, men reading this must understand that the feminine imperative is not consciously done.

There is zero malice. She has no control over what turns her on and off. Biology doesn’t think.
It’s stupid to be angry at them. We just need to be better men is all.

 

[Spaz]

There is zero malice. She has no control over what turns her on and off. Biology doesn’t think.
It’s stupid to be angry at them. We just need to be better men is all.

One can only hope, with the propensity shown regularly here towards hating women and the fact that women themselves are not being helpful by gladly throwing other women under the bus with these so called "quality women" narratives.

Which is why each time some motherfvcker plays with the victim card he needs to be swiftly debunked.

 

[Ranger]

Which is why each time some motherfvcker plays with the victim card he needs to be swiftly debunked.

He can’t advance past that point if he doesn’t.

 

[Ranger]

Are there no male abortion doctors, and wasn't this yet another scientific development we owe to men? Or did Madam Curie invent that too?

Whomever. It was better than spatulas, wire or sticks.

 

[AJ84]

First off it’s biological. So it doesn’t evoke any anger it me.
Men display traits that women sort through. When she encounters what her biology assertains is a result of his optimum genetics, she will be attracted to him. This fires chemicals. This program has a strategy. Survival of the human species.

So there are two types of men. Breeders and supporters/resources. When she secured her resources her breeding propensity towards that husband/LTR shut down to a holding pattern.
I call this sex rationing to hold him in place. She’s not consciously rationing anything. She isn’t feeling sexual towards him.

The feminine imperative is about free breeding without repercussions while still acquiring as many resources as she can. This is anti-civilization. We as humans, live in a world where there are no sabertooth tigers and even the poor have fat a$$es.

“What do women want? Optimized Hypergamy with men remaining clueless.”
Rollo Tomassi

We can debate what Hypergamy is but that would be counter productive.

In a nutshell.

Thanks for explaining, I have more questions, my apologies, and no rush to answer.

So is the goal for men to be the breeders? If supporter/ resource provider is not ideal (certainly doesn’t seem to be based on the views of this forum) what should men do once they have impregnated the woman? Leave before they get demoted to supportive provider? Spread their seed to more women without sticking around?

I guess what I’m asking is what is the masculine imperiative in relation to the feminine imperative you described? Do they even compliment each other long term?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Thanks for explaining, I have more questions, my apologies, and no rush to answer.

So is the goal for men to be the breeders? If supporter/ resource provider is not ideal (certainly doesn’t seem to be based on the views of this forum) what should men do once they have impregnated the woman? Leave before they get demoted to supportive provider? Spread their seed to more women without sticking around?

I guess what I’m asking is what is the masculine imperiative in relation to the feminine imperative you described? Do they even compliment each other long term?

How do you feel about this "breeder" and "provider" being two distinct and seperate individuals from a woman's perspective?

 

[lamath]

Human breeding behaviors has evolved over thousand of years and might actually not be the best one for our current western society.
Things have changed drastically in the last 100 year might also explain why birthrate is so low. Biggest factor imo is birthcontrol
women have more time on their hands because they can now control birth. Women dont have time for hypergamy when they have a baby in their arms

Its a bit ironic when you see guys like Rollo (the biggest advocate for red pill thinking) being married.

Imo man can be both breeder and provider but in today's society its damm hard to always be on top of it.
And that prob why women are leaning more and more towards their hypergamous imperative.



funny thing i read on wikipedia about animal testicular size and monogamy


The relative sizes of male testes often reflect mating systems.[41][42][43][44] In species with promiscuous mating systems, where many males mate with many females, the testes tend to be relatively large. This appears to be the result of sperm competition. Males with large testes produce more sperm and thereby gain an advantage impregnating females. In polygynous species, where one male controls sexual access to females, the testes tend to be small. One male defends exclusive sexual access to a group of females and thereby eliminates sperm competition.

Studies of primates, including humans, support the relationship between testis size and mating system.[43][44][45] Chimpanzees, which have a promiscuous mating system, have large testes compared to other primates. Gorillas, which have a polygynous mating system, have smaller testes than other primates. Humans, which have a socially monogamous mating system, accompanied by moderate amounts of sexual non-monogamy (see incidence of monogamy), have moderately sized testes. The moderate amounts of sexual non-monogamy in humans may result in a low to moderate amount of sperm competition. Also, notably, in the case of an avowedly sexually monogamous society, the occurrence of sexual nonmonogamy is typically culturally stigmatized, and therefore detecting its prevalence is inherently difficult, if indeed it is at all possible. At best, such statistics can be viewed as general approximations with a wide margin of error.

 

[AJ84]

How do you feel about this "breeder" and "provider" being two distinct and seperate individuals from a woman's perspective?

How do I feel about it? I think that’s a whole can of worms for all involved.

I can’t obviously speak for all women but I don’t think women typically seek to breed with one and be provided for by another.

My opinion? I think couples stop dating each other, fall into the roles of mother/father and forget about being lovers, even if that’s how it started out. They stop discovering things about each other and become complacent which leads to boredom and resentment, which kill sexual attraction.

Women should keep it interesting, surprise him with spontaneity, talk to him, not just about work or what bill needs to be paid or home repair done or parent teacher meeting etc, but actually talk like when they first started dating. Men should do the same.

I honestly feel like this is what kills the sex, not a provider role, but a settling into a role that takes away from each other as a couple.
But that’s my opinion.