“I Love you” and the razor’s edge

[HankHill]

@HankHill LOL I'm convinced that "I love you" during sex really means "I love your d1ck"

And I've thankfully managed to correct myself a few times

That breathy "I looooove you rrr d1ck!"

Lol been there, done that!

Haha! good point @sazc the last time it happened she face-palmed and said 'Oh my gawd, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that', I just said 'I love fvcking you' and kept on. It's all the bottled up emotions too

 

[sazc]

Haha! good point @sazc the last time it happened she face-palmed and said 'Oh my gawd, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that', I just said 'I love fvcking you' and kept on. It's all the bottled up emotions too

Bottled up emotions, passion, heat of the moment, yep!

 

[Spaz]

Okay. So what is your view of masculine love?

I missed this post Sam.

It's easy. And I think you'll completely agree since its so widespread.

It's the sacrifice and offering of his body, soul and mind as the expression of the masculine love.

 

[Spaz]

To review, for women it's having and protecting offspring; for men it's sacrifice of body, soul, and mind (to his woman and presumably any offspring).

Most women would probably sacrifice the same for their children but might draw the line at her man. However a man probably places his wife and kids on the same plain and would sacrifice himself for any and all. This is consistent with the laws of the SMP which tell us that sperm is much cheaper than eggs. It's also consistent with what I mentioned earlier about how each sex's pupils dilate depending on the image they see.

Is one loftier than the other? I'm skeptical of that. If you were on the Titanic you'd be standing on the ship watching the women and children get into lifeboats and that would be the natural order of things.

You got it partly right, it's not just protecting as they might sacrifice an offspring to ensure her own survival when it's in doubt. It's about her survival and her offspring. Not the other way round.

As for the men's version, it's idealism that pushes him to sacrifice - mind, body and soul.

Idealism is civilization as you see today.

Idealism is creation from nothing into something.

For idealism, men are willing to die, not just for women but we'll even go to war and die by the millions to preserve idealism - the higher expression of love.

Hence my contention, a man's capacity to love is boundless, whilst women's is limited in its basic form, not just basic, its the feminine imperative; survival for herself and her offspring.

 

[Spaz]

I dunno, I think I disagree in one detail. I'm pretty sure most mothers would sacrifice themselves for their children to live.

As for it being idealism, I'm more pragmatic than that, but it's all in the way you look at it I suppose.

Nothing wrong being a pragmatist within an idealist world. It's the balance towards extreme forms of idealism.

Yes, in the modern sense it would be as you say with modern amenities and modern teachings, but strip that all away to the core...

It will be her survival 1st. Always.

 

[Ranger]

Women will “sacrifice” their children in other ways. This will be contentious. I read an article some years back about single parents.
Single fathers, being idealists, will sacrifice everything and anything for those children he has under his care.
The article talked about how much better off the young adults he raised were. 85% more apt to survive better in the world.

Women, as single mothers, raised children much less able to function in the modern world. Women have drives to find a new caregiver. Thus were much more concerned with her own needs.

It went into the basic feminist reason why by the writer after the study came out. I didn’t think about it much but I did notice that the article went away and now there’s tons of articles attacking it.
This was probably 15 years ago or something like that. Her fundamental biology took precedence over her children as a single mother.
Despite all the chest pounding, a woman cannot go long without a man or men in her crib. It’s biology.

 

[Spaz]

They'll sacrifice their daughters 1st..

Well that's not actually correct, they'll sacrifice the abnormal child 1st then daughters.

Sons would be useful for their long term survival.

 

[Spaz]

This seems contradictory. Women have the biological imperative to have children, but put a gun to her head and she'll kill her children if it will save her. It doesn't make sense. If the biological imperative of a woman is that she survive before anyone, there's no point to her having kids.

Not in that sense Sam.

Many a times you're heard of women abandoning their new born child.

She'll sacrifice that one so that she can prosper to having others later when the situation is conducive.

 

[Ranger]

This seems contradictory. Women have the biological imperative to have children, but put a gun to her head and she'll kill her children if it will save her. It doesn't make sense. If the biological imperative of a woman is that she survive before anyone, there's no point to her having kids.

I don’t see it as contradictory. It makes sense. Nobody said she will kill them. You took it to the extreme end of the spectrum. What did Rollo call that? It escapes me now.

She will leave them in a hot car. Leave them with a multitude of sitters to get her needs met. Let her parents raise them while she secured a provider.
Spend herself into extreme debt yet screams injustice if the state doesn’t help. Meaning it’s the states fault if they don’t eat yet she’s at least 10-20 lbs overweight.
It’s rather self evident.

 

[Ranger]

Does anyone think abortions arent child sacrifice?

 

[sazc]

The incel train continues to travel strong in this thread.

Choo choo boys, you'll eventually arrive at your destination

So much tunnel vision and misinformation it's simply stunning... These guys shouldn't be posting

 

[Spaz]

Doesn’t anyone think abortions arent child sacrifice?

Can you imagine the scale of abortions if the ancients had that medical capability...

 

[Spaz]

The incel train continues to travel strong in this thread.

Choo choo boys, you'll eventually arrive at your destination

So much tunnel vision and misinformation it's simply stunning... These guys shouldn't be posting

Debunking the myths generated by the feminine imperative must be alarming !

If it's misinformation, then it will be easy for you 3 gals to counter us here...

 

[Ranger]

So much tunnel vision and misinformation it's simply stunning... These guys shouldn't be posting

There’s a reason Rollo Tomassi kept his identity and face hidden for so long. The girl machine is pretty powerful. Jordan Peterson and many others were persecuted. If the information was false...why bother attacking? Just laugh at them and point and say “now they’ve gone from Bigfoot and aliens to women sacrificing children to abortions.”

You are a feminist. We expect you to be full of false data given to you for justification. We understand the breeding strategy. It’s ok. We get it.

 

[Ranger]

Can you imagine the scale of abortions if the ancients had that medical capability...

What if paternity tests became mandatory at birth as a point of law. They draw blood from the infant anyway.
I wonder if abortions would increase?

 

[AJ84]

I don’t see it as contradictory. It makes sense. Nobody said she will kill them. You took it to the extreme end of the spectrum. What did Rollo call that? It escapes me now.

She will leave them in a hot car. Leave them with a multitude of sitters to get her needs met. Let her parents raise them while she secured a provider.
Spend herself into extreme debt yet screams injustice if the state doesn’t help. Meaning it’s the states fault if they don’t eat yet she’s at least 10-20 lbs overweight.
It’s rather self evident.

There are a lot of crappy parents out there and men are not exempt from that. Many of those cases of kids being left in hot cars were left there by their fathers. Usually those cases are not deliberate attempts to kill the child, just stupidity from the neglectful parents. There are also cases of fathers killing their wives and children, not to mention countless cases of men willingly having unprotected sex with (often dumb) girls who then get knocked up and the man moves on to the next dumb girl, zero cares if she had the kid or aborted it because he has no intention of being involved anyway.
We also have cases across the globe of baby girls being killed, a decision by both parents because boys are preferred, or fathers initiating honour killings because their daughters shamed them by ‘allowing’ themselves to get ganged raped at knife point while walking home from school.

So many people who should not be parents, become parents. I don’t see bad parenting or child death solely as the fault of mothers. In fact there is more enough well documented cases across the globe that indicates that both fathers and mothers can be capable of killing their children.

 

[Spaz]

There are a lot of crappy parents out there and men are not exempt from that. Many of those cases of kids being left in hot cars were left there by their fathers. Usually those cases are not deliberate attempts to kill the child, just stupidity from the neglectful parents. There are also cases of fathers killing their wives and children, not to mention countless cases of men willingly having unprotected sex with (often dumb) girls who then get knocked up and the man moves on to the next dumb girl, zero cares if she had the kid or aborted it because he has no intention of being involved anyway.
We also have cases across the globe of baby girls being killed, a decision by both parents because boys are preferred, or fathers initiating honour killings because their daughters shamed them by ‘allowing’ themselves to get ganged raped at knife point while walking home from school.

So many people who should not be parents, become parents. I don’t see bad parenting or child death solely as the fault of mothers. In fact there is more enough well documented cases across the globe that indicates that both fathers and mothers can be capable of killing their children.

Historically speaking more women then men initiate infanticide.

It's tied with scarcity of resources.

Going back to the survival of the mother.

 

[AJ84]

What if paternity tests became mandatory at birth as a point of law. They draw blood from the infant anyway.
I wonder if abortions would increase?

I think it depends on the country one lives in. Like in Canada or the US, a ‘fatherless’child will get fed by the welfare system anyway if the mother is poor. So even if the husband is not the father and he walks away, the state will take care of the mother if needed. In countries where men can walk away with no responsibility even if they are the fathers, hopefully people would practice better birth control, because those countries are probably less likely to have access to abortions anyway. I’m not sure but worth looking up.... I’m on it....

 

[Spaz]

What if paternity tests became mandatory at birth as a point of law. They draw blood from the infant anyway.
I wonder if abortions would increase?

They'll be mass protest before it even reaches your congress..

Wait. Hold that thought. There'll be backlash 1st at the lawmakers home by his female members...

There'll be no such law.

 

[AJ84]

Historically speak

Historically speaking more women then men initiate infanticide.

It's tied with scarcity of resources.

Going back to the survival of the mother.

Or going back to the survival of the family as a whole. Resources for the whole
family’s survival, and often the community as a whole, not just the mother.

We also need to consider lack of birth control as a reason for what can be assumed were many unwanted births no? In societies where women don’t have a say over their sexual choices within a marriage. The only way to prevent infanticide is to refrain from sex and how would that go over with the husband? Let’s face it that would not of been an option for the woman anyway because if we are talking about infanticide in the context of limited encomonic resources, we have to consider the social, gender, and cultural make up of these communities where women probably didn’t have many rights to begin with.

I’m not saying that no woman has cruelly killed her kids for purely selfish reasons, like women who kill their kids to get with some guy or because they wanted to go on vacation and couldn’t find a babysitter (actual true case), but for this example of infanticide for economic reasons we have to consider the bigger picture and not limit it to just the woman’s survival. If it was just for the woman’s survival, she would kill all her kids and anyone else who took resources away from her.