Amazing

[sazc]

Agreed, very odd.

He clarified. The incident in question occurred 4 to 5 months in.

 

[Spaz]

Don’t buy into all that stuff. Sacz has her opinion but look at it closer. It’s all on you now. LMAO
When has a woman never done this?
I wouldn’t tell a drunk woman I loved her either. Love has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Seperate yourself from all that garbage. You didn’t say I love you...? LMAO
Women are not tender flowers. They are well equipped human beings with a lot of savvy.

Some men are super gullible to think otherwise !

I could share amazing stories about this one, and with the amount of bed partners I've had over the years, it's still amazes me to no end hahaha

Good observations Ranger.

 

[Spaz]

I dunno but Ranger's point is well taken that you flat out blameshifted to the man instinctively lol

Not bad LA.

My opinion of you is proven wrong with just this one piece of statement here.

I'm sincerely proud of you.

 

[Spaz]

You alluded to the idea, with good feminine skill I might add, that him not responding in return led to her blowing out of there. Thus by default, he was cause. When in fact he is right here in this thread as affect.

Are there some things he needs to work on? Absolutely. He needs to understand the nature of the Feminine Imperative at a deep conceptual level.
Nice try though. Well played actually. You got a few to buy into it.

The feminine imperative is strong in some men.

Amazing isn't it ?

The lull of it.

But sazc can't consciously control it, it's within every women's nature to be as such.

 

[sazc]

Lol @Spaz bored?

 

[Spaz]

Dig for the answers.

If it were me and I valued the relationship, which it sounds like you do, I would have a sit down and really communicate properly about what happened that navigated her choices toward that point of breaking.
Also communicate that you won’t put up with that type of behaviour.

Negotiating is now required. Wants and needs on the table.
5 months is somewhat early, but that’s your situation now.

Don't ever fvcking do this.

Once you do this, you lost your leadership.

Let the women come and explain. Listen.

Again don't fvcking negotiate.

The moment you negotiate is the moment you lose. You think you won something, it's fleeting, the only thing won is a nail in the coffin.

 

[Spaz]

I'd keep her as a plate and nothing more. Use her body for sex and you both win. When you find some one better, you can then de-prioritize her or get rid of her. No reason to get rid of pvssy when you do not have any others in reserve. Sounds pretty sh!tty re-reading what I wrote, but it's the truth.

Agreed.

Sometimes you do amaze me RUG.

 

[Spaz]

Thanks Dad! Haha

Jokes aside.

IYou're proven right here in this thread that you're no pushover and you have the ability to see through the manipulation inherent within the words of women.

Plenty to be proud of since many men can't as can be seen in this thread alone.

 

[Spaz]

Lol @Spaz bored?

I can't miss you Sazc?

 

[sazc]

I can't miss you Sazc?

They always come back.....

 

[flowtheory]

Don't ever fvcking do this.

Once you do this, you lost your leadership.

Let the women come and explain. Listen.

Again don't fvcking negotiate.

The moment you negotiate is the moment you lose. You think you won something, it's fleeting, the only thing won is a nail in the coffin.

I don’t think there’s any problem with communication. If the relationship was something he actually enjoyed, and her too, what’s the issue?
Sitting down and putting everything out there is making her enter your frame so you can properly assess what happened and make a move from there.

After having that conversation, you firmly tell her what you want and need so you don’t have a recurring issue.

It’s illogical to just have her back and not talk about it because you don’t want to lose your ego driven ‘leadership’. Or to wait for her to broach the issue.
OP doesn’t sound like he just wants her body and to spin her as a plate.

What RUG is saying does have validity. That’s one avenue of poetical pursuit. I’m speaking towards having a communicative and healthy relationship, which to me, sounds like is more alongthe lines of OP’s desired outcome. We and OP don’t even know what caused her to go fly off, it’s all been assumptions based on posters history; so it needs to be investigated.

 

[Ranger]

This thread is hilarious. Lol
To start a day off, all one has to do is read this.

 

[Ranger]

I don’t think there’s any problem with communication. If the relationship was something he actually enjoyed, and her too, what’s the issue?
Sitting down and putting everything out there is making her enter your frame so you can properly assess what happened and make a move from there.

After having that conversation, you firmly tell her what you want and need so you don’t have a recurring issue.

It’s illogical to just have her back and not talk about it because you don’t want to lose your ego driven ‘leadership’. Or to wait for her to broach the issue.
OP doesn’t sound like he just wants her body and to spin her as a plate.

What RUG is saying does have validity. That’s one avenue of poetical pursuit. I’m speaking towards having a communicative and healthy relationship, which to me, sounds like is more alongthe lines of OP’s desired outcome. We and OP don’t even know what caused her to go fly off, it’s all been assumptions based on posters history; so it needs to be investigated.

Talking as a means to solve a problem can wirk in business or dealing with your neighbor and the disputed property line.

In matters of breeding and selection it inevitably ends up in the woman’s favor. In trying to settle on some middle ground, you are telling her biological program that you really don’t have a solid position on who you are and that you are malleable.
Malleability is a weak frame. As far as her biology is concerned. For breeding strategies.

If she wants to pursue your resources so she can consolidate her position, that talk will come one in a position that both are feeling good about, but the point is that she just consolidated you.

Is she aware of this at a conscious level? No. But there are broken men staggering along both sides of the road due to this. Don’t EVER negotiate a fukking thing, unless it’s which mountain cabin to spend the weekend in for a nice weekend hideaway.

 

[flowtheory]

Talking as a means to solve a problem can wirk in business or dealing with your neighbor and the disputed property line.

In matters of breeding and selection it inevitably ends up in the woman’s favor. In trying to settle on some middle ground, you are telling her biological program that you really don’t have a solid position on who you are and that you are malleable.
Malleability is a weak frame. As far as her biology is concerned. For breeding strategies.

If she wants to pursue your resources so she can consolidate her position, that talk will come one in a position that both are feeling good about, but the point is that she just consolidated you.

Is she aware of this at a conscious level? No. But there are broken men staggering along both sides of the road due to this. Don’t EVER negotiate a fukking thing, unless it’s which mountain cabin to spend the weekend in for a nice weekend hideaway.

So never open in a communicative manner with a woman; let her bring up every topic if there’s issues?

 

[Ranger]

So never open in a communicative manner with a woman; let her bring up every topic if there’s issues?

I would. It puts her into the right frame. I’m the producer and leader. If she wants to move on to someone else easier to manage, then she can.

How can a man ever be in charge of his life any other way?

 

[flowtheory]

I would. It puts her into the right frame. I’m the producer and leader. If she wants to move on to someone else easier to manage, then she can.

How can a man ever be in charge of his life any other way?

i think you can still be a positive leader and maintain solid frame whilst having proper communication if it’s going to steer things towards a more meaningful place. A man bringing up something which is concerning is not weak. It’s addressing possible issues

 

[Ranger]

i think you can still be a positive leader and maintain solid frame whilst having proper communication if it’s going to steer things towards a more meaningful place. A man bringing up something which is concerning is not weak. It’s addressing possible issues

You and I have two different frames. Meaningful means high intimacy and good connection. Nothing more.
We will never live together and never marry. I have way too much to accomplish.

 

[wolf]

Its a painting of a famous musician i did.


We didnt have a talk really. She just come out and said it.

She asked if i loved her when she was drunk but i choose not to answer the question so that could be a factor also. Who knows.

I told my ex i loved her when i was drunk after we had been dating for not very long. The conversation went like this.

me "what would you say if i told you i loved you?"

her "i wouldn't believe you"

me "i love you"

her "i love you too"

We were together pushing 5 years and that was the last time i told a girl i loved her. That was 2008. I can't imagine saying that sober for the first time. I know we all like to jump to conclusions and label our sosuave members ex's as crazy or cheating etc but it doesn't always have to be the case. Communication is key. I guess some people need to be drunk to be vulnerable. I know i do.

 

[Spaz]

i think you can still be a positive leader and maintain solid frame whilst having proper communication if it’s going to steer things towards a more meaningful place. A man bringing up something which is concerning is not weak. It’s addressing possible issues

If she's there to communicate as a man who seeks to address the issue neutrally. Then this will work.

But if she's there to communicate as a woman who seeks to address the issue via manipulation this won't work.

Understand that women are emotional apex predators - they cannot truly negotiate meaningfully. It's like dangling a piece of fresh raw meat to a hungry tigress and expecting her to not act on her instincts.

She will jump for the meat and take a chunk of your hand too, and given the opportunity she will eat you up.

 

[lamath]

If she's there to communicate as a man who seeks to address the issue neutrally. Then this will work.

But if she's there to communicate as a woman who seeks to address the issue via manipulation this won't work.

Understand that women are emotional apex predators - they cannot truly negotiate meaningfully. It's like dangling a piece of fresh raw meat to a hungry tigress and expecting her to not act on her instincts.

She will jump for the meat and take a chunk of your hand too, and given the opportunity she will eat you up.

Don t negotiate with terrorist/women lol



Never was able to win an argument with a women logically or rationally.

That was a thing i could never get, until i read Rollo and came here.
Im way too logical and cant handle no-sense


Tbh my experience is still very limited to mostly 1 long ltr, so i guess i might have just been with one illogical/irrational lady.
Still i wonder how i will handle similar situation in the future.