In real life betas do win

[HankHill]

Since the definition of a beta on here is someone who wife's up and becomes a provider. Here's a post from a woman on a financial board I'm on:

DH retired in Feb. of 2015. I retired in 2010. Had my schedule all figured out for 5 years without him being around in the daytime. Now we have managed to make retirement work for both of us.

I married my DH after knowing him for 2 weeks and we will be married 40 years in July. We are together all the time. So much so that I go volunteer by myself at least once a week. We seem to be making it work and I have thought about how it would be without him and I get teary eyed. Guess I am still very much in love with this man (even though we have our moments). I don't think anyone would ever take care of me like he would.

When I had an aortic valve replacement in 2013, he took care of me, washing my feet, my hair etc., sleeping on a cot for two weeks beside me while I slept on the couch so I wouldn't turn over. I learned then, how big of a heart he has for me and how much he loves me. That is enough on those days we have moments to let it all go. The grass is not greener on the other side for me.

Till death do us part comes to mind.

Some of the red pill stuff is great and I believe in it but my point is that not every woman is out to ride the c0ck carousel or monkey branch or whatever and not every man has to spin plates to find HIS happiness in life (whatever that is).

 

[Who Dares Win]

I wouldnt consider modern couples of modern youngs the same way I would consider old couples made from people who grew and developed in different times in a different society.

I believe the setting of personal growth and life makes a hell of a difference.

Btw If I got it right they are 40 yrs togheter so they met very young before she had the chance to ride the carousel, that alone makes or breaks the future of a couple.

 

[Serenity]

not every woman is out to ride the c0ck carousel or monkey branch or whatever

True. The red pill community is severely biased, which is my biggest problem with it. Many of their points are true and applicable for the type of women they talk about though. Instead of doing a serious and methodical search for the good ones they sit around and endlessly whine about the bad ones like a bunch of b!tches.

 

[HankHill]

True. The red pill community is severely biased, which is my biggest problem with it. Many of their points are true and applicable for the type of women they talk about though. Instead of doing a serious and methodical search for the good ones they sit around and endlessly whine about the bad ones like a bunch of b!tches.

I'm with you there! I like a lot of the stuff I learn from the Red-pill (IDGAF etc) but anything in life when done at an extreme messes it up so it's up to each of us to take what we want from it and balance it to our own style and personality. This HB8 I was on a date with recently told me about how she was stood up because she was 10 mins late due to an accident and she even texted the guy that there's an accident near the meeting spot but she's almost there. I couldn't help but wonder if it was one of the RedPill guys who figured he ain't waiting around for no woman...but think about how it was a waste of his own time to drive there and leave (or go game other women there). To each his own.

I wouldnt consider modern couples of modern youngs the same way I would consider old couples made from people who grew and developed in different times in a different society.

I believe the setting of personal growth and life makes a hell of a difference.

Btw If I got it right they are 40 yrs togheter so they met very young before she had the chance to ride the carousel, that alone makes or breaks the future of a couple.

I see what you mean but here's the thing the hardcore redpill guys here repeat the mantra that women have ALWAYS been like that some 'biological female imperative' and what not. I do agree that most western women these days in general are more difficult to bond with. A lot of immigrant women from the eastern world aren't like that though, they're submissive, feminine and prefer the traditional gender roles too.

BTW, I only posted one of the posts from that thread there are many other similar posts.

 

[zekko]

True. The red pill community is severely biased, which is my biggest problem with it. Many of their points are true and applicable for the type of women they talk about though. Instead of doing a serious and methodical search for the good ones they sit around and endlessly whine about the bad ones like a bunch of b!tches.

You're right, of course, but the community dismisses this notion by saying NAWALT. It threatens their worldview, so they don't want you to be right.

On the other hand (and I've said this many times), I don't believe that there is any way to guarantee that you get one of these gems, no matter how well you screen. And it's possible that if life had gone differently, and certain situations had happened, even these "gem" girls might have taken a different path. And if she didn't, maybe you would have.

 

[Chi Town]

I don't think anyone ever said "all women" it's too many people in the world to categorize them together.

Obviously the red pill doesn't apply to all women.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don't think anyone ever said "all women" it's too many people in the world to categorize them together.

Obviously the red pill doesn't apply to all women.

I know alpha females who only will do relationship with beta. They think it too much head bumping with alpha. Didn't say they wouldnt cheat

 

[HankHill]

I know alpha females who only will do relationship with beta. They think it too much head bumping with alpha. Didn't say they wouldnt cheat

Just like most of us want beta women; submissive, feminine etc so we're not arm wrestling on every da3m issue. As for cheating IMO it's more about their (and our) individual character than some biological DNA feature.

 

[Serenity]

It threatens their worldview, so they don't want you to be right.

The good thing about reality is that it is the way it is, regardless of worldview. Meaning that if the map of the world is incorrect you won't end up where you want to end up. I don't give those guys a hassle because I know reality will punish their ignorance.

On the other hand (and I've said this many times), I don't believe that there is any way to guarantee that you get one of these gems, no matter how well you screen.

I disagree. I know from repeated experience that you can get A LOT of information about who someone is in a very short amount of time by pushing for it. But it probably requires a more structured approach than most guys are willing to bother with. Ultimately they don't take it seriously enough and opt to b!tch about it.

Luck is a lot more limited than most people believe it is. There's far more things within our control than most people think there are, but they can't control what they're not aware of.

 

[ohrein]

You're looking at it as a binary. There are no "beta guys" nor are there "alpha guys". There are guys who have blends of alpha and beta qualities. Even the most "beta guy" has some alpha qualities, even if you have to push him for it. Just because you care for someone, nurture them, help them, be vulnerable with them, does not mean you don't have alpha qualities as well. You could think of it like a set of tools. You have all these beta, alpha and in between qualities for the right moments. Be soft when you need to be, be firm when you need to be.

A "beta guy" is someone who just doesn't use their tools correctly with a woman, predominantly because they don't have the knowledge. You can treat your woman like a queen by being a tyrannical king or a kind king. A king is still a king. Just make sure you're not the peasant.

 

[BeExcellent]

The bitter binary narrative pedaled by parts of the red pill community reflects lack of nuance, depth & understanding. The truth is and has always been on a spectrum and there are happily and devotedly married couples out there even in the West, even today.

Some of the red pill narrative reflects the disappointment and projection of unsuccessful men...but gets espoused in places as gospel.

The starting point for all improvement must begin with ones self. If we as individuals work on ourselves, then we will personally experience greater success in aspects of our lives. It is at the individual level of success that counts and different strategies can result in success.

Life is nuanced. Relationships are nuanced. People are nuanced. The better calibrated we become as individuals the better equipped we are to cope with our fellow human beings in the context of social interaction and individual aims.

 

[Spaz]

The bitter binary narrative pedaled by parts of the red pill community reflects lack of nuance, depth & understanding. The truth is and has always been on a spectrum and there are happily and devotedly married couples out there even in the West, even today.

Some of the red pill narrative reflects the disappointment and projection of unsuccessful men...but gets espoused in places as gospel.

The starting point for all improvement must begin with ones self. If we as individuals work on ourselves, then we will personally experience greater success in aspects of our lives. It is at the individual level of success that counts and different strategies can result in success.

Life is nuanced. Relationships are nuanced. People are nuanced. The better calibrated we become as individuals the better equipped we are to cope with our fellow human beings in the context of social interaction and individual aims.

Impressive BE.

Good post.

 

[zekko]

I disagree. I know from repeated experience that you can get A LOT of information about who someone is in a very short amount of time by pushing for it. But it probably requires a more structured approach than most guys are willing to bother with. Ultimately they don't take it seriously enough and opt to b!tch about it.

Luck is a lot more limited than most people believe it is.

I'm not saying you can't influence the outcome, or push the odds into your favor. It's always smart to screen, and you will almost certainly increase your success rate if you do it mindfully. But what I am saying is that I still don't believe there is any guarantee that you will get someone who will stick with you loyally forever, no matter what. There are no guarantees in life.

People can change over time, and people can grow apart. Some couples break up after they've been together for 50 years. One of you could even be in an accident that changes your personality. Ultimately, the only person you can truly rely on is yourself, and even that is a little sketchy.

You are welcome to disagree to that if you like, but I want to make clear what it is you are disagreeing with.

 

[Spaz]

You're looking at it as a binary. There are no "beta guys" nor are there "alpha guys". There are guys who have blends of alpha and beta qualities. Even the most "beta guy" has some alpha qualities, even if you have to push him for it. Just because you care for someone, nurture them, help them, be vulnerable with them, does not mean you don't have alpha qualities as well. You could think of it like a set of tools. You have all these beta, alpha and in between qualities for the right moments. Be soft when you need to be, be firm when you need to be.

A "beta guy" is someone who just doesn't use their tools correctly with a woman, predominantly because they don't have the knowledge. You can treat your woman like a queen by being a tyrannical king or a kind king. A king is still a king. Just make sure you're not the peasant.

I concur and even espouse that men take a good look at themselves, understand their inherent character trait.

Doesn't matter if you are dominant or passive by nature.

There's tools that a man can learn and acquire to sustain a relationship.

Sustainability is achieved when your woman admires and respects you.

 

[Serenity]

I'm not saying you can't influence the outcome, or push the odds into your favor. It's always smart to screen, and you will almost certainly increase your success rate if you do it mindfully. But what I am saying is that I still don't believe there is any guarantee that you will get someone who will stick with you loyally forever, no matter what. There are no guarantees in life.

People can change over time, and people can grow apart. Some couples break up after they've been together for 50 years. One of you could even be in an accident that changes your personality. Ultimately, the only person you can truly rely on is yourself, and even that is a little sketchy.

You are welcome to disagree to that if you like, but I want to make clear what it is you are disagreeing with.

Hmm, ok then. Can't deal in absolutes. You seem to lean more in the direction that a lot can be done to safeguard oneself, but there's a small chance to be unlucky in spite of it.

Sh!t happens, I know.

 

[Focal core]

Since the definition of a beta on here is someone who wife's up and becomes a provider. Here's a post from a woman on a financial board I'm on:

DH retired in Feb. of 2015. I retired in 2010. Had my schedule all figured out for 5 years without him being around in the daytime. Now we have managed to make retirement work for both of us.

I married my DH after knowing him for 2 weeks and we will be married 40 years in July. We are together all the time. So much so that I go volunteer by myself at least once a week. We seem to be making it work and I have thought about how it would be without him and I get teary eyed. Guess I am still very much in love with this man (even though we have our moments). I don't think anyone would ever take care of me like he would.

When I had an aortic valve replacement in 2013, he took care of me, washing my feet, my hair etc., sleeping on a cot for two weeks beside me while I slept on the couch so I wouldn't turn over. I learned then, how big of a heart he has for me and how much he loves me. That is enough on those days we have moments to let it all go. The grass is not greener on the other side for me.

Till death do us part comes to mind.

Some of the red pill stuff is great and I believe in it but my point is that not every woman is out to ride the c0ck carousel or monkey branch or whatever and not every man has to spin plates to find HIS happiness in life (whatever that is).

I dont think this is beta stuff at all.. This is simply the right thing to happened when you are with the right person, both do make personal growth together.

Thats what A MARRIAGE supposed to be.A partnership of two individuals committed to enhancing each other's strengths, and balancing each other's weaknesses. A stronger, more highly functioning unit than only one, which thrives on mutual support and protection, and encourages/celebrates autonomous growth. Healthy marriage must continually work to solidify and enhance the marital bond.

so partners may continue to grow alongside each other, and their union reflects these developmental changes. Intimacy that stops growing, has started dying.

But nooooo people nowdays has a problem being too clingy with following the trends or whatever the society feeds them forgetting the one most powerful things that we have, thats feelings.. People tend to numb them out in trade of something short-lived amusement bull****..

 

[Von]

I dont think this is beta stuff at all.. This is simply the right thing to happened when you are with the right person, both do make personal growth together.

Thats what A MARRIAGE supposed to be.A partnership of two individuals committed to enhancing each other's strengths, and balancing each other's weaknesses. A stronger, more highly functioning unit than only one, which thrives on mutual support and protection, and encourages/celebrates autonomous growth. Healthy marriage must continually work to solidify and enhance the marital bond.

so partners may continue to grow alongside each other, and their union reflects these developmental changes. Intimacy that stops growing, has started dying.

But nooooo people nowdays has a problem being too clingy with following the trends or whatever the society feeds them forgetting the one most powerful things that we have, thats feelings.. People tend to numb them out in trade of something short-lived amusement bull****..

We grew up to believe "feelings" was the key.

Sure feeling are good but you need a common vision, a goal, work hard at it. Like any business

Marriage is like business.

Also, it's a génération that grew up with the concept of "DUTY"

Ask any doctors/md who meet old ladies, i am sure alot of them complain about their husband of 40 years.

Gem existe true but its a waste of time looking in the market of find it.

You must dig!

No point in généralisations...you can only influence YOU.

Relationships work because people have more reasons than "feelings" to stick together. They have a plan

 

[Focal core]

Feelings is the growth spurts buddy, u cant heal and do personal growth without feelings.. Even when you broke up in relationship you have to mourns to get over those leftover messes up things so you wont slip and tripping over on it on your future endeavors.

 

[evan12]

this woman most likely in her late sixties or even older , while guys here talking about women in their twenties. this story prove nothing .

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Since the definition of a beta on here is someone who wife's up and becomes a provider. Here's a post from a woman on a financial board I'm on:

DH retired in Feb. of 2015. I retired in 2010. Had my schedule all figured out for 5 years without him being around in the daytime. Now we have managed to make retirement work for both of us.

I married my DH after knowing him for 2 weeks and we will be married 40 years in July. We are together all the time. So much so that I go volunteer by myself at least once a week. We seem to be making it work and I have thought about how it would be without him and I get teary eyed. Guess I am still very much in love with this man (even though we have our moments). I don't think anyone would ever take care of me like he would.

When I had an aortic valve replacement in 2013, he took care of me, washing my feet, my hair etc., sleeping on a cot for two weeks beside me while I slept on the couch so I wouldn't turn over. I learned then, how big of a heart he has for me and how much he loves me. That is enough on those days we have moments to let it all go. The grass is not greener on the other side for me.

Till death do us part comes to mind.

Some of the red pill stuff is great and I believe in it but my point is that not every woman is out to ride the c0ck carousel or monkey branch or whatever and not every man has to spin plates to find HIS happiness in life (whatever that is).

You have a huge blind spit in saud rational. We all do. You are talking a woman married 40 yrs. The times are a bit different and its a understatement. This would be like taking my grandparents and modeling that in today's dating climate. In saud time, women wetr feminine, weren't *****s on th3 carousel nor trashing their fertility and having retard babies wirh autism plus low testosterone.

RooshV has been doing more game then my grandfather. My grandfather is blue pull as ****kkk but a ex army vet and would beat his ass. He has character and charm not yo mention, is a throwback to the old school. RooshV cannot find a wife. No diss. A decade or so of game, cold approach, pickup etc its savage these days. There's a lack of charisma and charm in Rollo, RMG, RooshV etc that separates Mystery, David D, Blanc, Marshall, and others.

My point is that, in 2018, nobody br8ngs up the elephant in the room; why are these young girls at Cosby or Weinsteins hotel? We know the answer but nobody discusses the truth. In 2014, blanc was kicked off planet earth by fat as ****kkk obese SJs and feminists. Again, never mind the victimhood narrative or the absurd trolling or shock marketing that lead to a 5 country ban. Why no discussion of the game and women's reciprocating to the behaviour? I have never seen a better pua at that time. Dunno about present day but...

What women respond to in thr 50s and in 2018 are not the same things. If we talj marriage, sure they seek it. Th3 difference being, women gave their best years not cratered SMV like today. Sasha day game interviewed a girl, madeth3 comment about men being stronger. When asked about female qualities, her narcissism knew no bounds. When asked of men, you hear crickets. Silence. Women now a days are not feminine, very combative, high kill count, triggered, and quivk to victimhood as well as false accusations.

The culture and caliber of women is not even comparable. I saw scent of a woman with my father as a young boy. The tango with pacino is with a feminine woman. Sadly 99% of men know of no such thing. Most are more feminine, low test, cucky soy boy like.


Don't lose your piece. Hold true to your insights. Everyone is pedaling an agenda. Everything is so political and everyone is seeking to extract resources.

Socrates - know thyself!

There's good women out there Hill mate, i still won5 ve ever swearing away resources nor sexual access.