touma.akagi
Senior Don Juan
Abortion is wrong and if we had safer sex (not just condoms, mind you, but she should take birth control), we wouldn't need to consider it as an option.
That only worked when everyone lived off the land and got married as teenagers.I think the idea is that we should all be god fearing and abstinent untill marriage - then we won't need birth control OR abortions
Evidence strongly contradicts your claim.http://shamelesspopery.com/pro-life-pro-birth/I've long held the belief that these are not "pro lifers" they are "pro birthers" because they really don't care what happens to the child after they ARE born, they only care in getting the child born.
Birth control does not need to be free. It is already extremely cheap. Heck, it's even freely available already in many areas.Ugh, let's hope abortion stays legal. And, if the right to abortion is abolished, let's hope they blanket the nation with free birth control.
Otherwise there's going to be a lot of child support money being paid out. You guys definitely don't want that.
Have you ever had a ltr? Birth control is expensive for women, which is absurdly stupid, given that society pays for a lot of the babies we fail to prevent. I have seen $60 to $80 a month, and that is with having health insurance.Birth control does not need to be free. It is already extremely cheap. Heck, it's even freely available already in many areas.
It can be expensive, esp if you have health insurance.Have you ever had a ltr? Birth control is expensive for women, which is absurdly stupid, given that society pays for a lot of the babies we fail to prevent. I have seen $60 to $80 a month, and that is with having health insurance.
If the health insurance has to pay for the birth expenses, I fail to understand why they make birth control so expensive. It would seem to be a wise cost/benefit decision to make it cheap, just like it is for society overall.It can be expensive, esp if you have health insurance.
Yep! people have openly voiced this exact sentiment.If the health insurance has to pay for the birth expenses, I fail to understand why they make birth control so expensive. It would seem to be a wise cost/benefit decision to make it cheap, just like it is for society overall.
With the exception of hypergamy.The decision to give birth is made when the woman willingly has unprotected sex or even risks it with protected sex. So, that alone takes care the her choice argument. Her choice was made. Yet, we see with women today that they want redos on everything. A woman regrets having sex. She then claims the man raped her. The woman regrets getting pregnant. She kills her own child to undo the pregnancy. Abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy. Hypergamy doesn't care. It knows no bounds. It does not care if it is murder. This is why it is called pro-choice. Some women are willing to murder in order to make a 1 o clock hour choice on their reproduction.
This is spot on! Coming from the social democracy of Norway I think US politics is backwards in so many ways.How quickly one can turn to agreeing 100% with you.
USA is both the allegedly developed country with the most vocal anti-abortionists and some of the worst worker & consumer protections and social policies. Ripoff, unsecured healthcare. No vacation. No parental leave and no childcare. No unionism. No free or subsidized higher education. You'd think if they were "pro-life", they'd be on what in America passes for the far left of socioeconomic policies. But they're on the other side, voting to keep it the way it is or make it worse. They don't give a shyt about the child's future when it's actually born, what environment it will come into. They just want to control other people, like the old movement to keep people from masturbating.
Right behind ya bro. I'm over in Stockholm. It's pretty bizarre to see the Americans arguing about things that are already proven to work better in the rest of the world like universal public healthcare... the Overton Window is shifted to the right everywhere, but particularly in America. But I think many Americans are starting to wake up to that now. And half the population, most of it being the American working class doesn't vote because they know neither party serves them (which no party does here either btw).This is spot on! Coming from the social democracy of Norway I think US politics is backwards in so many ways.
I think capitalism is ok as long as the government serves the people first and foremost and not companies.And personally I see libertarian socialism/anarchism as the goal, not social democracy which is a kind of capitalism. But even our social democracies are being dismantled now by neoliberal deregulation, austerity and privatization.
Well that's a contradiction, since capitalism serves the plutocrats first and foremost over the people by definition, that's what separates market capitalism from market socialism. But I get your point, you think social democracy is fine. Most of our ancestors when they could pick a side seem to have agreed, which is why we still work as much as medieval peasants for our subsistence despite being able to go to the moonI think capitalism is ok as long as the government serves the people first and foremost and not companies.
I strongly agree. My coworker got his friend with benifits pregnant, and she went for the abortion mind you he wanted the baby. He had no say, and this was the 2nd time she did this to him. I guess the 1st time a year ago he didnt care and she was in no rush. But now that hes probably falling in love with her, he cared. She quickly made these choices and he felt awful. She's probably waiting for a better prospect then him. Terrible.The decision to give birth is made when the woman willingly has unprotected sex or even risks it with protected sex. So, that alone takes care the her choice argument. Her choice was made. Yet, we see with women today that they want redos on everything. A woman regrets having sex. She then claims the man raped her. The woman regrets getting pregnant. She kills her own child to undo the pregnancy. Abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy. Hypergamy doesn't care. It knows no bounds. It does not care if it is murder. This is why it is called pro-choice. Some women are willing to murder in order to make a 1 o clock hour choice on their reproduction.