The solipsism insanity

[rber]

Good post, you've raised issues that's very intellectual.

Mine will be short, and I strongly suggest you ponder over it.

A woman's frame = power over men

This is a woman's true frame when it's collapsed. It's basically there to ensure woman's survival (and that of humanity) and it's not evil per se, just biology.

As for AWALT, your observations are correct from your experiences but there's a simpler explanation.

Human personality when it's broken down into 4 quadrants; Intellectual, Doer, Motivator and Socialists.

The intellectual and Socially inclined personality are passive, while the motivator and the doer are dominants.

We could go into this and how it fits into a man but for now let's focus these traits on women.

Women have all these inherent traits when they were born, the difference that you notice among women is that while they have all these traits, one of it will be more dominant then the rest hence the difference which you have attributed as abstract thinking.

But be reminded, that whilst they do have all those inherent traits, it's in lower quantity as opposed to a man.

A man is basically born into just 1 of those inherent traits, and towards the end of that particular quadrant they'll be considered geniuses.

This is why men has the ability to seemingly create amazing science, music, poetry and inspiring idea's much like the red pill.

Jesus/Buddha/Hitler/Martin Luther King - examples of motivators, geniuses.

Micheal Jackson, other great singers and poets, etc - examples of socialist who are geniuses.

By now I'm sure you'd be able to fit in other personalities into the other quadrants.

I'll got to run off to the office but this is an interesting topic.

If I've miss any point you've raised, let me know I'll address it.

A men's frame = power over women as well, ideally, wouldn't you say? Look at human history until not so long ago.

I've seen human personality broken down into different traits in a variety of similar theories, within both business and dating contexts.
Frankly I think it's a gross oversimplification of human nature.

I'm a bit freer now, I'll address some of the issues you've raised.

Mind you, I don't subscribe to red pill or even hypergamy. I've not given it a lot of thought and even while reading some of Rollo's post, i find i cant finish it, it doesnt appeal to me and to be honest i find it extremely boring as I'm instinct driven and a rather dismissive person in real life.

My life is result driven by instinct of what I desire, both short term and long term.

To get my desired results I continously adapt certain principles, enhance existing ones or even dropping some, in other words it's highly fluid to suit the RESULTS I ultimately desire.

The Red Pill is adherence towards some other men's ideas and experiences.

The Hypergamy theory fits into what vast numbers of red piller men to be true. But it doesn't for me and for many others in reality. As such hypergamy doesn't exist.

To someone like me, looking from outside in, a believer in hypergamy is someone still very much within a feminine sphere of influence and trying out new tricks to manipulate and control women.

Make no mistake that when men says society - it actually is a feminine construct.

You see, I create my own reality, my own rules, my own laws - my sphere of influence.

Don't you feel you're missing out on valuable information? Did you try reading Rollo's books or just his posts?

It's great that you're very adaptable, but I think learning from others' experiences can help you properly adapt even faster, that's the whole point of it at the end of the day.

Creating your own reality is great, but it does not replace THE reality. Subjective vs Objective.
Sticking as close as possible to the objective reality will ideally yield the best results. Straying too far can lead to delusion.
Deciding not to include Hypergamy in your reality does not really mean it doesn't exist, a bit of wishful thinking no? (no offense intended)

Am I absolutely certain Hypergamy exists the way it was described by Rollo? No. But I think it was field tested by enough men + it clicks with my experiences, so it should be a good enough concept to practically work with.

What makes you to think Hypergamy does not exist? Does it contradict with your experiences?

To someone like me, looking from outside in, a believer in hypergamy is someone still very much within a feminine sphere of influence and trying out new tricks to manipulate and control women.

I don't think it's as much being a believer as it's looking for the best explanations for common occurrences. The same way science works - it goes with the best explanation it has at the moment and replaces it as soon as a better one comes along. If nothing else, it's a very practical approach.

Improving in many areas in your life helps you manipulate and outmaneuver people to your own best interest.
Understanding women in general is about gaining the upper hand and bettering your position in the sexual market, I don't think anybody denies that. Why does it mean you'd be within the feminine sphere of influence?

 

[Spaz]

Sure. Hypergamy doesn't exist for Hypergamous men.

A woman would then rightly term me a hypergamous man.

That's her victim mindset to cope with her inability to get me to bed her or stay with her for any duration of time.

In my defence, I'll say it's my biological imperative to fvck as many women as I desire.

 

[meldiamond]

@Spaz When are you going to debate the facts rather than beg for my text messages and creep pics?

Are negroes less intelligent than whites? Yes or no.

Are women dumber than men? Yes or no.

These are extremely simple questions that everyone on the planet can answer easily.

Everyone knows that victim blaming groups are constantly blaming others and asking for endless handouts. They are the source of society's ills.

Notice how blacks, muslims and jews keep talking about how evil white people are yet immigrate to white countries by the millions yet accuse whites of racism when they are told to leave! Endless hypocrisy.

Yeah, keep begging for photos and texts. Just like blacks and women you are a beggar.

 

[Spaz]

A men's frame = power over women as well, ideally, wouldn't you say? Look at human history until not so long ago.

I've seen human personality broken down into different traits in a variety of similar theories, within both business and dating contexts.
Frankly I think it's a gross oversimplification of human nature.



Don't you feel you're missing out on valuable information? Did you try reading Rollo's books or just his posts?

It's great that you're very adaptable, but I think learning from others' experiences can help you properly adapt even faster, that's the whole point of it at the end of the day.

Creating your own reality is great, but it does not replace THE reality. Subjective vs Objective.
Sticking as close as possible to the objective reality will ideally yield the best results. Straying too far can lead to delusion.
Deciding not to include Hypergamy in your reality does not really mean it doesn't exist, a bit of wishful thinking no? (no offense intended)

Am I absolutely certain Hypergamy exists the way it was described by Rollo? No. But I think it was field tested by enough men + it clicks with my experiences, so it should be a good enough concept to practically work with.

What makes you to think Hypergamy does not exist? Does it contradict with your experiences?



I don't think it's as much being a believer as it's looking for the best explanations for common occurrences. The same way science works - it goes with the best explanation it has at the moment and replaces it as soon as a better one comes along. If nothing else, it's a very practical approach.

Improving in many areas in your life helps you manipulate and outmaneuver people to your own best interest.
Understanding women in general is about gaining the upper hand and bettering your position in the sexual market, I don't think anybody denies that. Why does it mean you'd be within the feminine sphere of influence?

I'll be honest, when it comes to women, and from other men's or womens take on it irl; I'm a selfish motherfvcker.

But to me, I'm just being Spaz, my objective and desire at those women is to get a good fvck.

When I look at a woman who shows interest in me, I'm thinking "is she tight" ?

I'll then proceed to scan her body, top to bottom, feeling for any attractions I might find there.

Do I care what she thinks ? No.

Do I even care anything about her in some non s€xual manner ? No.

But I do know this, there's plenty of s€xy hot young women that's available and I find myself asking them "what's so special about you that the others don't have" ?

That's my frame.

And that's how I basically get to bed women.

 

[Spaz]

@Spaz When are you going to debate the facts rather than beg for my text messages and creep pics?

Are negroes less intelligent than whites? Yes or no.

Are women dumber than men? Yes or no.

These are extremely simple questions that everyone on the planet can answer easily.

Everyone knows that victim blaming groups are constantly blaming others and asking for endless handouts. They are the source of society's ills.

Notice how blacks, muslims and jews keep talking about how evil white people are yet immigrate to white countries by the millions yet accuse whites of racism when they are told to leave! Endless hypocrisy.

Yeah, keep begging for photos and texts. Just like blacks and women you are a beggar.

I think I have a thread somewhere where I posted how I communicated with a young lady and bedded her.

Merely as an example on pulling women.

Can you ?

But if you like, I can even post a morning greeting I received just recently, no big deal at all

 

[meldiamond]

@Spaz Dude, you're an illiterate. No one believes you actually f#ck girls. You've posted 10x a day here since the start of the year.

Plus, all you do is post about how much you hate women. No one who hates women as much as you do gets laid.

I don't know who's more delusional, you or @BeExcellent.

Not to mention you spent several months defending that black devil Bill Crosby until I pointed out to you that he himself testified UNDER OATH that he drugged and raped women.

 

[meldiamond]

@Spaz You THINK you MIGHT have started a post about how you hypothetically f#cked a woman and that's proof that you f#cked a woman. Yeah, let me get out my phone and post some screenshots for you to jerk off to.

No one believes your bullsh#t. Post a creep pic of a girl you f#cked. Just one.

 

[Spaz]

@Spaz Dude, you're an illiterate. No one believes you actually f#ck girls. You've posted 10x a day here since the start of the year.

Plus, all you do is post about how much you hate women. No one who hates women as much as you do gets laid.

I don't know who's more delusional, you or @BeExcellent.

Not to mention you spent several months defending that black devil Bill Crosby until I pointed out to you that he himself testified UNDER OATH that he drugged and raped women.

What's impossible for you, is very much possible for me.

I'm a super illiterate !

 

[meldiamond]

A woman would then rightly term me a hypergamous man.

That's her victim mindset to cope with her inability to get me to bed her or stay with her for any duration of time.

In my defence, I'll say it's my biological imperative to fvck as many women as I desire.

No woman is trying to get you into bed with her bro LOL.

 

[Spaz]

No woman is trying to get you into bed with her bro LOL.

Let me give you some incentive....

Time stamped.

Now how abt you?

 

[meldiamond]

WTF?!? You had a conversation with a "girl" or guy with 70 IQ like yourself. Proof! LMAO!

 

[Ranger]

Well that was interesting. Lol
Spaz’s small bits and pieces come out when he writes. They are gold. Letting personal issues get in the way isn’t quite bright.
Either that or after sooo many years fighting a loosing battle against something I observed and remembered and catalogued but couldn’t piece together I see things that are obscure and difficult to find.
Since I’ve been here nearly all the threads have the same answers but yet I see no viewpoints change. I may be wrong of course. I’m one who would rather just get through the pain of growth as fast as I can. The alternative is what? Piss awY a few more years only to be mediocre?
There are obvious indicators of beta that even I can see in comments that should not be there.
It’s hard a$$ work for me to unlearn some things but the pain where I was, was far worse.

I just seems to me that taking the red pill but still hanging onto those little idealized bits and pieces is self defeating. Look, this is really ugly sh!t. There is nothing sterile about it. To think that it may not even be possible to be with a reasonably decent woman, ever, is disconcerting.
But you better face it. High level PUAs or whatever you call them we’re kot always that way. It’s like a veteran killing one too many men.
I understand Spaz. There is a toll that one pays.

I have found that the programming we have is so deep that some will never come out of it no matter what they do. The small pieces hang on and completely disrupt our frames.
The only way out is through it. That means you have to suffer. If you avoid this pain, how do you face ultimate rejection. Look at some of these guys who have been with some really brutal women. Tomassi says that these guys are ready to get rid of it all. Like the drunk that has to go all the way to hell before he will come back up.
It easy to say these crushed guys did it to themselves. They did of course but this **** is for keeps. Do you think women give a $hit if you fall off to the side dead or crushed?
They don’t care.

 

[Spaz]

The results is what matters.

The details doesn't.

Be result oriented then you'll likely achieve success in all matters.

For those of you thats intellectually inclined, this might make you understand where I'm coming from;

Ur core values + how you think + way you do things = desired results.

The core values is what's imbedded in ur childhood.

"How you think" is actually driving "how you do things"

So when you see yourself failing at certain things, especially women, DON'T keep on changing how you do things.

Change how you think, your principles. Strengthen it.

 

[Ranger]

The core values is what's imbedded in ur childhood.

"How you think" is actually driving "how you do things"

So when you see yourself failing at certain things, especially women, DON'T keep on changing how you do things.

Change how you think, your principles. Strengthen it.

GOLD!!!
Even this thread was difficult for me. I had no idea what I really thought about it. You guys don’t know this but you got me to a point of certainty. I had to go through it. Did I like it? Not really. It was too up and down for my tastes. When I could see beta in you I could then see it in me. But I had to see it first.
Especially the selector/ selectee thread. I still had a crap load of confusion because I was living the idea in some small way deep inside that women were the selectors in some way or fashion. It’s absolutly not true. So much so that I was shocked at my shift. But I feel much freer now. This $hit sucks. The feminine imperative is heartless and brutal. Like a machine with no thought or reason.

 

[Spaz]

GOLD!!!
Even this thread was difficult for me. I had no idea what I really thought about it. You guys don’t know this but you got me to a point of certainty. I had to go through it. Did I like it? Not really. It was too up and down for my tastes. When I could see beta in you I could then see it in me. But I had to see it first.
Especially the selector/ selectee thread. I still had a crap load of confusion because I was living the idea in some small way deep inside that women were the selectors in some way or fashion. It’s absolutly not true. So much so that I was shocked at my shift. But I feel much freer now. This $hit sucks. The feminine imperative is heartless and brutal. Like a machine with no thought or reason.

The problem with most men is in their core values, that they learned in their childhood - values that were less masculine and leaning more towards feminine narratives.

No man can't change that. Neither will blaming it change anything but further compounding any future a man might desire.

What a man can change, is the principles he holds in his life, these principles MUST be fluid TO reflect on his desires, to be successful in achieving it.

The common denominator in every postings by men is;

Core values + how he does things (all those good stuff he does, red pill compliant, blue pill compliant, nice guy compliant, hypergamy aware etc etc) = failed results.

Can you see what I see?

 

[meldiamond]

Evolutionary pressure pushes all of us, male and female to try and have sex with the hottest partner possible, regardless of circumstances. Both men and women do this. Women are simply far less likely to be rejected by a man than vice versa and the rise of gynocracy ensures that she will never be punished or as they put it "slut shamed."

This means women will display zero inhibition if she finds a man of significantly higher sexual value. Her relationship or marital status is irrelevant. For instance, a couple of years back and I had given little thought to it at the time. But I was at a party and one of the girls introduced herself as soon as I got there. Jackpot! I thought. Hot young blonde.

A couple of minutes in, she says she has a boyfriend and points to him. I chit chat amiably for a bit then excuse myself to go to the restroom. I said hi to a couple of people, pushed my way to the bar to drop off my bottle then went to the head.

The girl actually followed me to the bathroom lol. She said flatly: "I'm following you into the bathroom." The party was very busy and the bathrooms were secluded down a long dark hall with no one around. A quickie was in fact possible.

However, I was pissed off that she would try something slutty so soon AFTER saying she had a boyfriend. I just instinctively turned and glared at her for a second to express my displeasure. She went silent and disappeared.

I saw her a bunch of times after and she was icy cold every single time, but never acknowledged anything about what had happened. I was always cool with her boyfriend but I couldn't help but wonder how many times she cheated. Or, was that a one off attempt?

 

[rber]

I'll be honest, when it comes to women, and from other men's or womens take on it irl; I'm a selfish motherfvcker.

But to me, I'm just being Spaz, my objective and desire at those women is to get a good fvck.

When I look at a woman who shows interest in me, I'm thinking "is she tight" ?

I'll then proceed to scan her body, top to bottom, feeling for any attractions I might find there.

Do I care what she thinks ? No.

Do I even care anything about her in some non s€xual manner ? No.

But I do know this, there's plenty of s€xy hot young women that's available and I find myself asking them "what's so special about you that the others don't have" ?

That's my frame.

And that's how I basically get to bed women.

Got it. We have different frames then and we're looking for different things from women. I'm not satisfied with just the sex.

No right or wrong here I guess, we're just different.

 

[Ranger]

Evolutionary pressure pushes all of us, male and female to try and have sex with the hottest partner possible, regardless of circumstances. Both men and women do this. Women are simply far less likely to be rejected by a man than vice versa and the rise of gynocracy ensures that she will never be punished or as they put it "slut shamed."

This means women will display zero inhibition if she finds a man of significantly higher sexual value. Her relationship or marital status is irrelevant. For instance, a couple of years back and I had given little thought to it at the time. But I was at a party and one of the girls introduced herself as soon as I got there. Jackpot! I thought. Hot young blonde.

A couple of minutes in, she says she has a boyfriend and points to him. I chit chat amiably for a bit then excuse myself to go to the restroom. I said hi to a couple of people, pushed my way to the bar to drop off my bottle then went to the head.

The girl actually followed me to the bathroom lol. She said flatly: "I'm following you into the bathroom." The party was very busy and the bathrooms were secluded down a long dark hall with no one around. A quickie was in fact possible.

However, I was pissed off that she would try something slutty so soon AFTER saying she had a boyfriend. I just instinctively turned and glared at her for a second to express my displeasure. She went silent and disappeared.

I saw her a bunch of times after and she was icy cold every single time, but never acknowledged anything about what had happened. I was always cool with her boyfriend but I couldn't help but wonder how many times she cheated. Or, was that a one off attempt?

I’m of a different mindset now. I would Fvck every hole I could without reservation. But there was a time when I would not of. So I get it.

 

[Soflobro#3]

There could be some truth to that. I don’t know. But wouldn’t those two options be choice?
Could one suppress something or pull it out if needed?
I’ve suppressed my impulses to punch some people in the mouth and just walked off. Then I’ve also gone for it. Both were a decision. I’m fully capable of both actions and am well aware of it. Fully cognizant. Both have consequences.
Now if you have a whole social structure that removed the consequences of a woman wrecking lives at her leisure.
That’s why I say it’s a social illness. Or rather degraded allowance of really bad conduct.

For women it's not am option. Its a mans or mens fault.

 

[Ranger]

For women it's not am option. Its a mans or mens fault.

Indeed. I was playing the devils advocate. Victimhood is repulsive.
I tried to think that way but it didn’t work out. It is not only very degrading and actually violates the laws of physics but it makes a man smaller by his own hand. Read on. I later conceded.