how do you skirt the line between beta bux and being cheap/stingy/Scrouge McDuck?

[R.U.G.]

Yes, that does happen. Rob Kardashian is a prime example of that. You're Armenian, so I know you know who that is. Money and respect are 2 different things. Money gives you power, it doesn't earn respect

RK is a tool to the nth degree. He got played so bad by Chyna that it isn't even funny. Everyone saw it and he was blinded by a 100% gold digger. I do find it kind of funny that she went from RK to Tyga. I guess her children are siblings and cousins. Crazy.

 

[Vantagepoint34]

:crazy:

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My boy AMS, check him out - https://www.patreon.com/alphamalestrategies. Best 5 bucks a month you can spend.

20 bucks, let's break this down in NYC. Two beers 8 x 2 = 16 bucks before tax. A tapa or app, another 5, plus tip and tax. You'd be lucky to get out at 30. It happens, but rarely. Then you get someone who orders another drink or an app, and has no money. You'd be surprised how many women carry no money on them. Or, at least they say. So, now, add another 20 - 30 on to that. These women are tricky. I usually keep it to two drinks and an app, but things happen.

Bowling is good for a second date, first date, more for chatting and seeing if you like her. I've been using Groupon for a lot of my activity dates. I just went jet skiing a few days ago in NYC harbor (I.E. Hitch Movie). $22 bucks. But... then you get some drinks or something else, another 20 - 30 bucks. You need to keep things interesting in this day and age. If not, with Bumble, Tinder, Match, and all the other apps, you will be replaced. Happens to us all, even @R.U.G.

Bowling is a great physical activity you can learn alot about how you get along doing this. Plus it's fun.

Amusement park raise the emotions and thus cause bonding.

 

[Murk]

I split dates, why am I paying for something that will likely be sh!t or fizzle out in 2 months time? Especially as a serial dater. If you're very choosy then fine, but I tend to take a scattergun approach when I'm in the mood and go on lots of dates.

Save your cash for women in your life who deserve it. Never been called cheap, because I make my stance known and the reasons why, I'm not a sucker. No woman has ever had anything negative to say to me about it. I offer value in my personality and the fun and entertainment I can bring to a girls life, not how many drinks or meals I pay for. I took my ex to Nice 5* all the way in December, she was an ungrateful *****.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If you give a woman cash or presents before she has sex with you, it usually doesn't end well. Dates are fine, but nothing over the top until she gives it up

If you spend a whole bunch of money on her too soon, she'll think your easy and that you're a guy who throws his money around on every woman

Co-signed.

 

[devilkingx2]

RK is a tool to the nth degree. He got played so bad by Chyna that it isn't even funny. Everyone saw it and he was blinded by a 100% gold digger. I do find it kind of funny that she went from RK to Tyga. I guess her children are siblings and cousins. Crazy.

Red pill me on what happened between rob Kardashian and blac chyna?

 

[devilkingx2]

My boy AMS, check him out - https://www.patreon.com/alphamalestrategies. Best 5 bucks a month you can spend.

20 bucks, let's break this down in NYC. Two beers 8 x 2 = 16 bucks before tax. A tapa or app, another 5, plus tip and tax. You'd be lucky to get out at 30. It happens, but rarely. Then you get someone who orders another drink or an app, and has no money. You'd be surprised how many women carry no money on them. Or, at least they say. So, now, add another 20 - 30 on to that. These women are tricky. I usually keep it to two drinks and an app, but things happen.

Bowling is good for a second date, first date, more for chatting and seeing if you like her. I've been using Groupon for a lot of my activity dates. I just went jet skiing a few days ago in NYC harbor (I.E. Hitch Movie). $22 bucks. But... then you get some drinks or something else, another 20 - 30 bucks. You need to keep things interesting in this day and age. If not, with Bumble, Tinder, Match, and all the other apps, you will be replaced. Happens to us all, even @R.U.G.

Jet skiing for $22!? Woah that sounds like a hell of a good deal

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

IMO it's a simple case of analysing what you're getting versus what you're expending. How much effort is she putting in against your effort expenditure etc. etc.

I know guys who go out and feel they have a need to pay for every date for the first few times. I call total BS on that and I think those guys are mugs. In my experience, paying for a first date just completely diminishes a woman's respect for you. You go from offering your presence to her for her presence with you to pretty much buying her attention, which makes you look like a scrub.

On the other hand it's also a case of just not being an unreasonable a*sclown. For example, if a chick is travelling a long distance to see you, or cancels her plans in order to meet you mid-week, it might be fair of you to pick up the cheque if you go out for food.

Basically, don't just be a taker. Don't expect her to have sex with you, come see you at your beck and call and give you everything for absolutely no affection or anything in return. It's possible to get a relationship like that, but it's abusive and unpleasant.

At the same time, don't just throw money at a woman on every date and occasion because you start looking like an ATM with no personality or real interest in her. You need a balance of treating her every now and then (which is just nice to do anyway) and at the same time maintaining your frame with her by not showing neediness or a lack of financial restraint.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

everyone in the manosphere knows that you should be alpha fux not beta bux

everyone also knows that many women expect you to pay for expensive dates and some even expect gifts like flowers & chocolates on valentines, etc.

so the question is, how do YOU as a man avoid going too far in either direction? where's the line? do you draw the line at paying her rent? or are you way on the opposite end of the spectrum, never taking a girl on a date that costs more than $20 and going dutch for dinners?

personally I just pretend to be as broke as possible to minimize expenses and date girls who aren't gold diggers, unless she wants lingerie or something else that I actually want to spend my money on lmao

Pick your poison.

I choose Netflix and chill. I pick social hangs, coffee, smashing > dating.

Coffee is cheap. If you don't pull after 3 social hangs, next her.

 

[R.U.G.]

Jet skiing for $22!? Woah that sounds like a hell of a good deal

For activities, you cannot beat Groupon. I did a sculpting class with a woman for 26 bucks. Though, she was shocked I used a Groupon for a date. She didn't last long. Normal price was 80 bucks. I have no problems using Groupon or Living Social to save on activities; nor should anyone else.

Red pill me on what happened between rob Kardashian and blac chyna?

She used him for his fame and money. Got pregnant, engaged, broke off engagement, gets lots of money through child support. Even the Kardashian Klan is in the middle of the feud between these two. Not saying he's perfect, but, he never had a chance. The male Kardashians are so pvssified by Kris, it's laughable. Heck, one even turned himself into a female hybrid. R.I.P. - Bruce Jenner.

RK / BC timeline:
https://people.com/tv/rob-kardashian-and-blac-chyna-relationship-timeline/

 

[mrgoodstuff]

For activities, you cannot beat Groupon. I did a sculpting class with a woman for 26 bucks. Though, she was shocked I used a Groupon for a date. She didn't last long. Normal price was 80 bucks. I have no problems using Groupon or Living Social to save on activities; nor should anyone else.



She used him for his fame and money. Got pregnant, engaged, broke off engagement, gets lots of money through child support. Even the Kardashian Klan is in the middle of the feud between these two. Not saying he's perfect, but, he never had a chance. The male Kardashians are so pvssified by Kris, it's laughable. Heck, one even turned himself into a female hybrid. R.I.P. - Bruce Jenner.

RK / BC timeline:
https://people.com/tv/rob-kardashian-and-blac-chyna-relationship-timeline/

Who stood a chance vs gold digger Chyna except a man not spending $?

 

[R.U.G.]

Who stood a chance vs gold digger Chyna except a man not spending $?

Anyone who doesn't think with their penis and weighs the pluses and minuses of dealing with a chick like that. Only a seasoned man can see through the smoke and mirrors. Problem is, a man isn't seasoned until they experience this themselves. Thus, it's a catch-22 situation.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Anyone who doesn't think with their penis and weighs the pluses and minuses of dealing with a chick like that. Only a seasoned man can see through the smoke and mirrors. Problem is, a man isn't seasoned until they experience this themselves. Thus, it's a catch-22 situation.

I don't think you can get puzzy from her without giving a pound of flesh one way or another.

 

[devilkingx2]

Who stood a chance vs gold digger Chyna except a man not spending $?

I don't think you can get puzzy from her without giving a pound of flesh one way or another.

you answered your own question.

what kind of a foolish man would date a woman that clearly wouldn't **** you without you paying for it?

a wise man dates a girl that wants pizza and netflix on a couch, a foolish man dates a girl that wants champagne and caviar and then maybe she'll occasionally give you average sex.

 

[R.U.G.]

I don't think you can get puzzy from her without giving a pound of flesh one way or another.

Not my type. Nice DSL's, but that is about it. No woman is worth what this chump paid. None.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Not my type. Nice DSL's, but that is about it. No woman is worth what this chump paid. None.

Yeah we were saying no matter her color no matter her bodytype. She's a stripping gold digger.

 

[Vantagepoint34]

My rule of thumb is: the first three dates are cheap, something like a drink, coffee, drink and a cheese platter, and as such. Almost always by the 3rd date, I have sex. (I do all I can to screen hard for HI. If nothing come out of it, its just cost me a drink and a bit time, which I try to enjoy myself regardless of the outcome)
Only once I paid $60 on the second date, but a heavy sexual texting already happened bf the date, and I knew its done deal, so I allowed myself to be generous.

Imagine surviving on 11$ a day... Running is still the sport to be practicing. Then with some martial arts is all a DJ needs

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Imagine surviving on 11$ a day... Running is still the sport to be practicing. Then with some martial arts is all a DJ needs

Why not be on food stamps and unemployment if your in such a situation. And you can take a pay under the table night job in a warehouse that pays weekly while you look for work?

 

[Roober]

It's a case by case basis for me...

General guidelines...
-I eat before dates and drink lots of water
-usually only drinks and an app
-crap is expensive in the bay area, so $40 is fairly reasonable. If I am really enjoying it and we hit several spots, it may balloon to $60-80.

This is a rough check list for first dates...
1. If the bill is under $25, i will usually just pay, regardless of interest, even if she is a dud. I can drop the cash and split.

2. If I know I am not interested... split it unless option 1 is fullfilled.

3. If I'm interested and it was a lot of fun... I will usually pay if...

A. When the bill comes, she grabs her money. "I'll get this one, you can get me back next time"
B. If she expects me to pay and doesn't flinch, that's a next for me. "Let's split it..." then tally it up. This woman is not a natural GIVER, she showed her hand.


After the first date,I usually try to keep it 50/50. The women I date more than once are intelligent enough to understand that I'm not there to foot the bill. Women want equality and I will give it to them.

 

[Vantagepoint34]

Anyone who doesn't think with their penis and weighs the pluses and minuses of dealing with a chick like that. Only a seasoned man can see through the smoke and mirrors. Problem is, a man isn't seasoned until they experience this themselves. Thus, it's a catch-22 situation.

It takes a lifetime to get there. Go through cops and Judges. Before a TV actor comes out and tries to make you like an addict... Haha.