That is apples and oranges. We don't know what "openly" approach means because if a woman just throws herself on you, out of the blue, like a prostitute looking for a client, then that's going to put-off allot of people from the bat. Even if someone gets approached there is no fun in shooting fish from a barrel and their standards go to what they can't easily get. If someone is not "openly" approached at all, then they are going to make it happen and play the game. Your statement should be what is your close rate if you want to get incel - or what % of rejections/closes do you get if you approach 20 women and they all have to be hb's of at least 7, no single-mom's, no cheats, not collecting welfare, not ghetto, etc.... to qualify. If it's 100% rejection then you could say that sounds incel, etc.... Get your experiment right at least.