You guys realize that getting women as a man is the absolute hardest aspect of social interaction??

[guru1000]

How is a woman with a 6/10 face and 8/10 body an 8 or 9? Please explain this to me

Take a look at these two women:

Rate them honestly:
http://s682.photobucket.com/user/guru1000/media/IMG_3418_zpsjjtwgx8d.png.html?o=10

http://s682.photobucket.com/user/guru1000/media/IMG_3420-1_zpsisbiw3j3.jpg.html?o=9

 

[bigdave17]

6/10 face
8/10 body
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7/10 Looks
10/10 money
1/10 Game
2/10 Status
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20/40
=
5/10 SMV

2/10 status? a 29 year old dude earning 200K (which would be top 0.01% considering my age and location/cost of living) with a 70K car, phenomenal social circle and lifestyle. How the fukk is that a 2/10 status???? Are you drunk?

I don't really know this nonsense about game. That's very subjective. I'm not awkward or needy around women

 

[RickTheToad]

OP, I do not know you from the man on the moon, but if I can get dates with online dating, there is no reason why you cannot. You're too picky it seems. Lower your standards and you'll start at least dating. It's better than staying at home or where complaining on this forum on why no hot ladies will date me. Just my 0.02 cents. I am, by far, no ladies man. However, I still date.

 

[bigdave17]

Take a look at these two women:

Rate them honestly:
http://s682.photobucket.com/user/guru1000/media/IMG_3418_zpsjjtwgx8d.png.html?o=10

http://s682.photobucket.com/user/guru1000/media/IMG_3420-1_zpsisbiw3j3.jpg.html?o=9

the second one is smoking fukking hot, I would consider that a 10/10 to me. What would you consider her?

I don't like the first one. Face looks weird and fake. Do you have more pics of her?

 

[bigdave17]

OP, I do not know you from the man on the moon, but if I can get dates with online dating, there is no reason why you cannot. You're too picky it seems. Lower your standards and you'll start at least dating. It's better than staying at home or where complaining on this forum on why no hot ladies will date me. Just my 0.02 cents. I am, by far, no ladies man. However, I still date.

aren't you in your 40s?

Women in 30s and 40s have no standards. I could easily get a 8/10 36 year old this week if I wanted

the problem is that the 20 year olds are retardedly picky

 

[bigdave17]

That's money, you don't get status from that.

bullf*cking ****


you meet a dude somewhere and he's making big dough, has his own big house, fancy car, great lifestyle, vacations 10 times a year, goes to all sorts of fun parties, clubs, bars, restaurants, concerts, sports events, festivals, great social circle, makes friends everywhere he goes, etc... etc... etc... etc... There is big time status to that. he's a winner in life through and through

Let's take the opposite of this. 30 year old loser living at home and making 20K a year. Does he not have low status in society from being a loser?

 

[guru1000]

the second one is smoking fukking hot, I would consider that a 10/10 to me

I don't like the first one. Face looks weird and fake. Do you have more pics of her?

Ok most would consider the first one beautiful as well and rate both of them very close.

Notice the second one has an above average face but rocking body which makes her appear as a 9+.

When I go out with the first one, I don't get the red carpet treatment, nor many stares for that matter. Her body is just not there.

When I go out with the second one, I'm treated like royalty everywhere I go and her face is fine but not beautiful.

A sick body on a women with an above average face registers in guys minds' as a dime. So although you seek a 6 face a 9 body on a women, what you are really seeking is an 8/9 women as that's what the market (of men) defines as most desirable.

 

[bigdave17]

Ok most would consider the first one beautiful as well and rate both of them very close.

Notice the second one has an above average face but rocking body which makes her appear as a 9+.

When I go out with the first one, I don't get the red carpet treatment, nor many stares for that matter. Her body is just not there.

When I go out with the second one, I'm treated like royalty everywhere I go and her face is fine but not beautiful.

A sick body on a women with an above average face registers in guys minds' as a dime. So although you seek a 6 face a 9 body on a women, what you are really seeking is an 8/9 women as that's what the market defines as most desirable.

because men care so much about body on a woman where women care 90% about a perfect male model face? gotcha. That's fukking atrocious considering women have so much control over how awesome their body is and I can't change my ethnic facial features to go from a 7.5 to a 10/10 but it makes sense.

although that second one has a 9/10 face to me too. She is very beautiful in the face. I love her eyes, lips, hair everything. I can go a lot less cute than that in the face and still be okay

 

[sazc]

bullf*cking ****


you meet a dude somewhere and he's making big dough, has his own big house, fancy car, great lifestyle, vacations 10 times a year, goes to all sorts of fun parties, clubs, bars, restaurants, concerts, sports events, festivals, great social circle, makes friends everywhere he goes, etc... etc... etc... etc... There is big time status to that. he's a winner in life through and through

Let's take the opposite of this. 30 year old loser living at home and making 20K a year. Does he not have low status in society from being a loser?

You are missing the fact that she doesn't know ANY of this, these details, about you when she meets you. In order to come to understand all of this, she had to spend time with you, and talk to you, and get to know you.

Until you establish a rapport with her, via conversation, your definition of status means NOTHING. It's not a status or valuable quality unless you can tell her about this and, in order to do that, she has to want to talk to you

 

[RedScorpion]

This will never stop with dave. You give him reasons why his approach isn't working and his reply is always "why not?" You explain again " why not" and he will tell you that doesn't make sense because he's perfect"

This show will never end, but he's perfected his attention seeking!

Imagine being his girlfriend, or even sometime he's just casually dating. It would be a non stop merry go round of him negating everything you discuss, both topics that are miniscule and topics that matter. It would always be "the Dave show"

No fvking way, that's too volitale and dramatic. No chick would put up with that

Hilarious because it’s true.

Dave will only settle for the perfect imaginary girl. Unless her ears are slightly too big or something. Then it’s waiting for the next absolutely ‘perfect’ girl. It’s a merry-go-round of narcissism and hopeless questioning.

 

[sazc]

Hilarious because it’s true.

Dave will only settle for the perfect imaginary girl. Unless her ears are slightly too big or something. Then it’s waiting for the next absolutely ‘perfect’ girl. It’s a merry-go-round of narcissism and hopeless questioning.

Someone send him a perfect ethnic sex doll

 

[bigdave17]

I should say that I'm not afraid at all of a numbers game with online dating. I'm okay with messaging a 1000 women on match to find 1 who fits what I want (cute face with awesome body)

the problem is I think I could send 10,000 messages with online dating and not get any replies from anybody worthwhile

Approaching and asking women out in real life is much harder. I hate the awkwardness of rejection and making people feel uncomfortable. My best bet is to figure some way out to approach women and see if there is some chemistry and then only ask out the ones who are into me... that would probably make the rejection rate much lower but approaching women in real life is so fukking hard


I see a hot chick at a gym, what the fukk do I say that's not massively awkward?
I see a hot chick at a bar with 4 friends, what do I do to talk to her without making it massively awkward with her 4 friends there?
I see a hot chick at a grocery store, what the fukk do I say that would not make me come across as a serial killer?

 

[bigdave17]

Hilarious because it’s true.

Dave will only settle for the perfect imaginary girl. Unless her ears are slightly too big or something. Then it’s waiting for the next absolutely ‘perfect’ girl. It’s a merry-go-round of narcissism and hopeless questioning.

this is my absolutely perfect 10/10. Olive complexion, beautiful black hair, beautiful facial features. Great thick/curvy/athletic body

I can go about 2 or 3 points below that and still be happy

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...DovSU1HXzM0MjAtMV96cHNpc2JpdzNqMy5qcGc=/?ref=

 

[sazc]

I should say that I'm not afraid at all of a numbers game with online dating. I'm okay with messaging a 1000 women on match to find 1 who fits what I want (cute face with awesome body)

the problem is I think I could send 10,000 messages with online dating and not get any replies from anybody worthwhile

Approaching and asking women out in real life is much harder. I hate the awkwardness of rejection and making people feel uncomfortable. My best bet is to figure some way out to approach women and see if there is some chemistry and then only ask out the ones who are into me... that would probably make the rejection rate much lower but approaching women in real life is so fukking hard


I see a hot chick at a gym, what the fukk do I say that's not massively awkward?
I see a hot chick at a bar with 4 friends, what do I do to talk to her without making it massively awkward with her 4 friends there?
I see a hot chick at a grocery store, what the fukk do I say that would not make me come across as a serial killer?

You've said ALL of this before, and it's already been answered

 

[RedScorpion]

this is my absolutely perfect 10/10. Olive complexion, beautiful black hair, beautiful facial features. Great thick/curvy/athletic body

I can go about 2 or 3 points below that and still be happy

I would start looking at what beautiful women look like without makeup, and realize that this is a glamour shot. Hot celebrities all dolled up, suddenly look very ordinary in real life. Add in the perfect angle, lighting, having all the time in the world to get the pose right - she’s never going to look like this in regular life.

 

[bigdave17]

I would start looking at what beautiful women look like without makeup, and realize that this is a glamour shot. Hot celebrities all dolled up, suddenly look very ordinary in real life. Add in the perfect angle, lighting, having all the time in the world to get the pose right - she’s never going to look like this in regular life.

how is that a glamour shot? that's a ****ty picture with a sh*tty camera and she's making a weird pose

If she worked with a professional photographer, she would look ridiculously gorgeous

 

[guru1000]

Dave, can you remove the picture from your last post. You can keep the link instead. Don’t think she’d appreciate that very much.

 

[bigdave17]

Dave, can you remove the picture from your last post. You can keep the link instead. Don’t think she’d appreciate that very much.

is she cool/smart/sweet/loyal? If so, I would marry that after 8 months lol


what's your response to this?

I should say that I'm not afraid at all of a numbers game with online dating. I'm okay with messaging a 1000 women on match to find 1 who fits what I want (cute face with awesome body)

the problem is I think I could send 10,000 messages with online dating and not get any replies from anybody worthwhile

Approaching and asking women out in real life is much harder. I hate the awkwardness of rejection and making people feel uncomfortable. My best bet is to figure some way out to approach women and see if there is some chemistry and then only ask out the ones who are into me... that would probably make the rejection rate much lower but approaching women in real life is so fukking hard


I see a hot chick at a gym, what the fukk do I say that's not massively awkward?
I see a hot chick at a bar with 4 friends, what do I do to talk to her without making it massively awkward with her 4 friends there?
I see a hot chick at a grocery store, what the fukk do I say that would not make me come across as a serial killer?

 

[JonnyX]

I should say that I'm not afraid at all of a numbers game with online dating. I'm okay with messaging a 1000 women on match to find 1 who fits what I want (cute face with awesome body)

the problem is I think I could send 10,000 messages with online dating and not get any replies from anybody worthwhile

Approaching and asking women out in real life is much harder. I hate the awkwardness of rejection and making people feel uncomfortable. My best bet is to figure some way out to approach women and see if there is some chemistry and then only ask out the ones who are into me... that would probably make the rejection rate much lower but approaching women in real life is so fukking hard


I see a hot chick at a gym, what the fukk do I say that's not massively awkward?
I see a hot chick at a bar with 4 friends, what do I do to talk to her without making it massively awkward with her 4 friends there?
I see a hot chick at a grocery store, what the fukk do I say that would not make me come across as a serial killer?

This is why so many in the PUA industry went for canned game. Ie. Routines.

The opinion opener was an absolute classic back in 2005. I don't know if anyone can still use it today or if it's become such a massive cliche. The last time I was doing mass cold approach was the mid 2000s when this was still a fresh approach.

The beauty of canned routines is you don't have to think. You don't have to be witty. You can spend your brain energy trying to focus on delivery and judging response etc. You can "riff" on a subject like a comedian does if it's got traction, or switch to another subject. And they create automatic "impartial" conversations by which you can build rapport and get a conversation going.

Starting with an indirect opener is almost mandatory if you're not top tier attractive. You need time to build some connection before you can start going more direct. This is PUA 101, or at least it was then.

This may sound stupid as ****, to write down this way. But I'm going to tell you a bit of some framework for a simple type of approach I might have done in those days. As long as I had a reasonably attractive wingman present would almost always hook some interest/conversation:

- (chatting with friend, then look quizzically at girls next to you) Hey, so can I get your opinion on something? My friend and I have been talking and we need a female opinion ... I was listening to the radio today, and there was a survey that said women find fireman to be the most attractive job for a guy. Now this beat doctor, it beat CEO, it beat musician... So why do you think that is? Is it the big hose?
- (whatever she says, you can riff on it a bit, maybe give her a hard time about it, ask what they think is the hottest job, etc.)
- From there you can do whatever you want: Ask them what they do and then tell them you're gonna guess before they can answer, Just straight up introduce yourself ("My name's Dave, handshake or kiss the hand cheesily, what's yours?"), Give them a qualifying statement ("You guys are okay. I saw you standing there and I was kind of skeptical, but you seem cool"), Switch to another completely indirect routine (not another opinion one of course), etc.

I don't know if people still do opinion openers or they're played out. Curious if anyone's got a better pulse on the PUA industry they can comment more on whether this has become too cliche. But the basic principle of routines and indirect game is sound in my experience.

If you're confident there is immediate attraction, you can skip all that BS and just say, "Hi there, my name's Dave. I couldn't help but notice you standing here. You seem like an interesting person, (optional: I loved your (article of clothing), energy, other not too sleezy parameter) so I wanted to say hi." (shake hands)

Direct game never was my favorite. I always loved indirect game. But if I was tall or handsome, I would obviously do direct.

 

[bigdave17]

This is why so many in the PUA industry went for canned game. Ie. Routines.

The opinion opener was an absolute classic back in 2005. I don't know if anyone can still use it today or if it's become such a massive cliche. The last time I was doing mass cold approach was the mid 2000s when this was still a fresh approach.

The beauty of canned routines is you don't have to think. You don't have to be witty. You can spend your brain energy trying to focus on delivery and judging response etc. You can "riff" on a subject like a comedian does if it's got traction, or switch to another subject. And they create automatic "impartial" conversations by which you can build rapport and get a conversation going.

Starting with an indirect opener is almost mandatory if you're not top tier attractive. You need time to build some connection before you can start going more direct. This is PUA 101, or at least it was then.

This may sound stupid as ****, to write down this way. But I'm going to tell you a bit of some framework for a simple type of approach I might have done in those days. As long as I had a reasonably attractive wingman present would almost always hook some interest/conversation:

- (chatting with friend, then look quizzically at girls next to you) Hey, so can I get your opinion on something? My friend and I have been talking and we need a female opinion ... I was listening to the radio today, and there was a survey that said women find fireman to be the most attractive job for a guy. Now this beat doctor, it beat CEO, it beat musician... So why do you think that is? Is it the big hose?
- (whatever she says, you can riff on it a bit, maybe give her a hard time about it, ask what they think is the hottest job, etc.)
- From there you can do whatever you want: Ask them what they do and then tell them you're gonna guess before they can answer, Just straight up introduce yourself ("My name's Dave, handshake or kiss the hand cheesily, what's yours?"), Give them a qualifying statement ("You guys are okay. I saw you standing there and I was kind of skeptical, but you seem cool"), Switch to another completely indirect routine (not another opinion one of course), etc.

I don't know if people still do opinion openers or they're played out. Curious if anyone's got a better pulse on the PUA industry they can comment more. But the basic principle of routines and indirect game is sound in my experience.

If you're confident there is immediate attraction, you can skip all that BS and just say, "Hi there, my name's Dave. I couldn't help but notice you standing here. You seem like an interesting person, (optional: I loved your (article of clothing), energy, other not too sleezy parameter) so I wanted to say hi." (shake hands)

Direct game never was my favorite. I always loved indirect game. But if I was tall or handsome, I would obviously do direct.

I can't do that canned routine ****. I would feel so uncomfortable and awkward

It's gotta feel natural for me