It is from personal experience that I can confidently state that without internalized game, you will ultimately fail. At this time in my life, I had red pill awareness and decent game skills. I was getting laid and spinning plates and yet, I still
fell victim to ONEITIS. I hadn't properly killed the beta. (
https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/21/kill-the-beta-2/)
The system in place is meant to be keeping you in victim status. At my late teens, I stopped searching, and thought that my journey was over. One of the hardest things to accept was ending a Ltr, and never looking back. Society hardwired the notion of completeness through a ltr, marriage, and bringing in the state.
Have my manhood card stamped by the validation of women through 'manning up,' swearing away my current and future earnings as well as sexual access in marriage. Of course, you can't be a man if you aren't pedaling to the feminine biological strategy. Lulz!
Killing the beta :
Alpha/Beta terms are thrown around a lot and I want to avoid the semantic discussions. So in this context beta simply means blue pill conditioned. A guy who tries to "win" the hearts of women, idealizes and desires women to the point of putting himself second, but more importantly, a guy who needs a woman in his life. It's my opinion that this last point is the most dangerous.
A big part of blue pill conditioning is the underlying subconscious socio-cultural pressure that men are defined by the women they can attain. Guys who don't get laid are losers, guy's who have their pick of the litter are the heroes. To quote Tyler Durden, "You're not your fvcking khakis". This idea that a man's value can be measured by the woman he is with is feminine imperative conditioning. Let that sink in. You think you're hot sh1t because you get hot women? What you're saying is, "my value comes from the value of the women I can attract". Doesn't get much more beta than that.
The incel freak out is a by product of the following point. It is much easier to acquire victimhood and to pick outrage. Contrary to girl power and retards pushing gender neutrality, victimhood doesn't get *****. Victimhood can still acquire **** because cucks and betas will pander regardless of the fact. I think most men are cannon fodder. They are basically utility and following the beaten path in attempt to seek validation. The push of game is not a actual lifestyle or pursuit but, a temporary means to an end to acquire the first semi decent girl.
It doesn't end well.
It is imperative that during your interactions with women that you consciously attempt to frame those interactions
in your own head as something that does not define who you are. You must kill the beta and to quote Durden again, "Just. Let. Go." You are not the women you have access to. I know this is much harder to say than do as it took me many years to truly even understand it, and I still have moments every so often where I slip into old thought patterns. But you need to internalize this not only for your success with women, but more importantly your own happiness.
Proper frame :
Frame has become a bit of a nebulous term on this board. I think a lot of us understand certain parts of it, have even internalized parts of it, but are missing the overall context. Or at least, I don't see the overall context explained well. This is something I am guilty of myself. If I were to ask everyone to define frame, I think you would see a different answer from almost every person. There is a lot of subjectivity and personal choice in what an individual's frame is, but it's important to understand how frame is supposed to function at a meta level. So I've gone back to Rollo and had a solid think about it after some posts in another thread made me interested in my own understanding again.
"
You are either operating in your own frame or you’re operating in hers. Also understand that the balance of frame often shifts. Frame is fluid and will find its own level when a deficit or a surplus of will is applied to change it." (
https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/12/frame/)
I am a huge fan of Rollo but, it's pretty ironic despite red pill awareness to get married. It reminds me of Biscuit from LS on keys to the vip proved to be a cuck but he sells pickup.
It's worth noting, everyone is seemingly a expert, may or may not have good advice but, always remember that,
EVERYONE HAS A AGENDA.
David D's two steps forward one step back comes to. Mind. Fellas, I am listening and entertaining different sources but free thinking goes a long way.
Red pilled but got married... Interesting.
So what is proper frame? Frame is the complex set of values and expectations you enter into a relationship with. I will not tolerate cheating is an example of a value within a frame. There are an infinite set of values that could be within your frame and this is the subjective/personal aspect of frame. But where I see the most confusion around frame is how to apply the concept to actual women.
Do you force women into your frame? Do women naturally defer to it? What happens if women operate outside your frame?
Applying frame is simply not compromising yourself or you needs to continue access to a woman. You do not need to control every single interaction, a woman will not meet every single value in your frame, sometimes you will have to compromise or even enter her frame. But as long as you are living your life without putting the women you're involved with on a pedestal, you are exerting frame control. Frame becomes more important the longer you are with a woman as by setting frame, you must lead the relationship. You must be the captain. The individual details are unimportant, it's the overall meta-frame that matters.
Game recognizes game.
I run a tight ship.
It's important to set pace which IMHO is monumental to frame.
In a girl power society, there's this double standard of a shame men for not jumping through your hoops but, women can not be slut or fat shamed.
Again, it's a piss poor attempt to mitigate plummeted or cratered smv.
My favorite part is 'proud single moms.' or even more pathetic, the cucks that raise Chad's baby.
I blame low testosterone.
Games or game
It seems necessary when starting this journey that your initial foray into game is with games. It's important to learn the game by playing it. At some point though, as a few posters have been pointing out lately (
@Macaframalama ,
@DEEZEDBRAH , and probably more), you must move past games into game. I'd call it mastery.
Game, as Rollo himself has pointed out, is actually an unfortunate term we've ended up with due to the implications and semiotic value of the word. You can't hear the word game without thinking about things like rules, plays, winning, scoring. While some of these do apply to dating, true mastery comes from something past games. You stop playing the game to impress people, to get high scores and to win. You play the game because you enjoy it. You're good at the game, you understand the rules, in fact, you've mastered the game to the point that parts of it are mundane.
It's something I wish I could tell my twenty year old or teenage self. There is no end point. Game is not a static level or place if being. It's dynamic, it's never ending, and it is elusive. You can be on top form after years of grinding, you can do everything right and **** it up. Get some skank pregnant get divorced having made the school boy error of marrying in the first place.
You can be like Rim, the blackberry, a game changer who failed to adapt, innovate and create only to go the way of the dinosaur. Marriage is the blackberry. It was once something great and failed to evolve along with all parties involved.
I think this is a point most red pill guys who put in the work reach naturally. However, I also think you can be aware of the ultimate goal and move more intentionally towards it.
What is your statement of purpose? I think in 2018, most men have no clue.
You see it in the soy boys, the progressive, low test, and pedaling of how evolved they are. Not an ounce of free thought.
No unique or original idea.
This herein lies the problem pertaining to DJ lifestyle, pickup, game etc.
Men following other men. Sure, seek out self knowledge, sources, info,and learn.
I will read the rational male, the game, a bunch of self development or biz books, Gita, talent is overrated, and a series of others. I will do like Anthony Robbins advice in Awaken the giant within. Take what works for me. Disregard that which doesn't.
This is game 101.
I found this being the reason why do many guys suck at game. They are following, torrenting pickup products, read hours, and yet, they're not beyond approach anxiety. This is delusional.
Instead of asking yourself if the plays you're making are how you win the game, ask yourself what winning the game actually looks like.
That is $$$$$$$! So money
