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I am witnessing an incredible amount of low value behavior in here.

That is very unfortunate, but also provides a glimpse of reality behind those computer/mobile screens.

If people don't accept your knowledge or theories or success models that work for you, then move on...

There is absolutely no need to ostracize and mock someone who seeks advice

Even if that person has different way of conceptualizing that advice
 

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There is absolutely no need to ostracize and mock someone who seeks advice
I agree, except in the case of Richard. He deserves it more than this place could ever muster. It ought to help him learn how to be less of a douche of a human being, at least if he could ever be helped. Encouraging him into designer suits, glamour shots, and money pit cars is not doing him any favors. His problems are internal, which is what many of us have been saying for a long time. These are the people who are mocking him, because they are sick of being ignored.
 

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I agree, except in the case of Richard. He deserves it more than this place could ever muster. It ought to help him learn how to be less of a douche of a human being, at least if he could ever be helped. Encouraging him into designer suits, glamour shots, and money pit cars is not doing him any favors. His problems are internal, which is what many of us have been saying for a long time. These are the people who are mocking him, because they are sick of being ignored.
When a woman ignores you, do you give more attention? Why would it be any different for a man?
 

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Those with the need to denigrate others are simply projecting their own insecurities.

Does one attempt to belittle an insane individual or an individual they perceive as beneath them? A simply laugh and placing your attention elsewhere would be appropriate if this were the case.

Quite interesting to see others' continued projections and insecurities in this thread. Very telling.
 

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It ought to help him learn how to be less of a douche of a human being, at least if he could ever be helped. Encouraging him into designer suits, glamour shots, and money pit cars is not doing him any favors. His problems are internal, which is what many of us have been saying for a long time.
These are some of the most interesting threads to me currently. But I agree Frog's problems are internal. There's nothing wrong with trying to improve your dress, or your online profile (although I've never tried OLD). But there's something about all this that just comes off as try hard. That doesn't necessarily mean it won't work though, it might have some success, especially since he's just looking to get laid (if I understand correctly).
 
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But there's something about all this that just comes off as try hard.
Has anyone ever accomplished anything without trying hard?

Btw, don't lie... You know my plastic surgery thread is the most interesting. Just wait until my limb lengthening thread.
 

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I agree, except in the case of Richard. He deserves it more than this place could ever muster. It ought to help him learn how to be less of a douche of a human being, at least if he could ever be helped. Encouraging him into designer suits, glamour shots, and money pit cars is not doing him any favors. His problems are internal, which is what many of us have been saying for a long time. These are the people who are mocking him, because they are sick of being ignored.
But it gets me matches.
 

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What do you think about our man's pics in Post 36 and Post 63?

GQ material.
Well, I don't know if I'd go that far... :)
I can't really speak too much about a male's attractiveness, but I do like the clothes.

A lot of times I've been with my girlfriend, and I'd see a girl and think "damn, she's hot". And almost immediately, my girl will say something like "That girl is ugly". I think this happens because females don't have a good understanding of what males find attractive - because they are attracted to the opposite. And vice versa also - I don't think men can always tell what women will find attractive - because we want the opposite.

Look at all the posts where a guy comes here and complains "How could she be attracted to that AFC?. She chose him over me". Well, IMO, obviously in her eyes he wasn't as AFC as the poster wanted to believe.
 
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Well, I don't know if I'd go that far... :)
I can't really speak too much about a male's attractiveness, but I do like the clothes.

A lot of times I've been with my girlfriend, and I'd see a girl and think "damn, she's hot". And almost immediately, my girl will say something like "That girl is ugly". I think this happens because females don't have a good understanding of what males find attractive - because they are attracted to the opposite. And vice versa also - I don't think men can always tell what women will find attractive - because we want the opposite.

Look at all the posts where a guy comes here and complains "How could she be attracted to that AFC?. She chose him over me". Well, IMO, obviously in her eyes he wasn't as AFC as the poster wanted to believe.
I honestly think that a lot of what makes a male attractive to a girl is not his looks, but his energy/aura, etc.

And even things like social skills, being able to socialize without sticking out like a sore thumb, etc.
 

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According to Francis R. Palmer, renowned surgeon in Beverly Hills, facial attractiveness is as follows :

THE “BIG THREE” DETERMINANTS OF YOUR FACE NUMBER:

Facial Feature
Points

Cheeks 75 points
Women: Full and round
Men: Narrow and angular

Eyebrows/Eyes: 10 points
Women: High and arched
Men: Flat and low

Lips: 7 points
Both men and Women: Full and plump, with upper lip 75% as full as the lower lip

Total “Big Three”
92 points Out of a possible 100 points

Notice he does not mention Jaw/Chin as he categorizes that within the other 8 points for proportional symmetry. I don't agree that Jaw/Chin for a male is immaterial. He also fails to prioritize skin.
 
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According to Francis R. Palmer, renowned surgeon in Beverly Hills, facial attractiveness is as follows :

THE “BIG THREE” DETERMINANTS OF YOUR FACE NUMBER:

Facial Feature
Points

Cheeks 75 points
Women: Full and round
Men: Narrow and angular

Eyebrows/Eyes: 10 points
Women: High and arched
Men: Flat and low

Lips: 7 points
Both men and Women: Full and plump, with upper lip 75% as full as the lower lip

Total “Big Three”
92 points Out of a possible 100 points

Notice he does not mention Jaw/Chin as he categorizes that within the other 8 points for proportional symmetry. I don't agree that Jaw/Chin for a male is immaterial. He also fails to prioritize skin.
The girl who expressed interest in going out...

I hadn't talked to her since early Monday morning. I messaged her today saying...

Me: Are you free tomorrow night? Let's meet at xxx (place) at xxx (time).

Her: I'd be up for something in a more casual setting, would you be okay with meeting for a drink ?

Me: Sure

Then she asked me to send a new picture. Basically to take one right now, not just a modelling picture.

Haven't heard from her since, but that was only 30 minutes ago.
 
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According to Francis R. Palmer, renowned surgeon in Beverly Hills, facial attractiveness is as follows :

THE “BIG THREE” DETERMINANTS OF YOUR FACE NUMBER:

Facial Feature
Points

Cheeks 75 points
Women: Full and round
Men: Narrow and angular

Eyebrows/Eyes: 10 points
Women: High and arched
Men: Flat and low

Lips: 7 points
Both men and Women: Full and plump, with upper lip 75% as full as the lower lip

Total “Big Three”
92 points Out of a possible 100 points

Notice he does not mention Jaw/Chin as he categorizes that within the other 8 points for proportional symmetry. I don't agree that Jaw/Chin for a male is immaterial. He also fails to prioritize skin.
Okay she literally responded 2 seconds after I made that last post. In the 30 minutes since I incorrectly assumed that she thought I was too ugly to go out with, I had become deeply depressed. But I guess I assumed wrong.

I had replied with a secondary location that I thought was more casual. She said even that wasn't casual enough. She also said she doesn't want to be an alcoholic, but likes to meet for a drink on first encounter. I'm kind of the same way.

I think I have already learned that trying to be too sophisticated or "stuffy" by going to some fancy restaurant or location is a bad idea. Most would probably prefer somewhere more casual where they can be themselves.
 

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Okay she literally responded 2 seconds after I made that last post. In the 30 minutes since I incorrectly assumed that she thought I was too ugly to go out with, I had become deeply depressed. But I guess I assumed wrong.

I had replied with a secondary location that I thought was more casual. She said even that wasn't casual enough. She also said she doesn't want to be an alcoholic, but likes to meet for a drink on first encounter. I'm kind of the same way.

I think I have already learned that trying to be too sophisticated or "stuffy" by going to some fancy restaurant or location is a bad idea. Most would probably prefer somewhere more casual where they can be themselves.
She might ghost you now or flake on you on date night. That's possible and that's OK. You will have many women reject you. Even the most handsome or seasoned guys get rejected. You will need to learn how to manage rejection if you want to succeed in this "game."

I notice you conversed with only two girls in the last four days. With those pics, you should be conversing with 10+ girls and scheduling 5+ dates. Don't employ the sniper mentality that Dave does with LTRs towards dating. Shoot to schedule 5+ dates a weekend, 2/3 on Friday and 2/3 on Saturday. Double- and triple- book them.

Also Tinder and Bumble are free sites. This means many attention wh0res and women with bfs/husbands looking to waste your time. Stick to the online template I provided in the other thread to streamline the dating process. Also join Match as it's a paid site with women (who also paid) looking to meet and you can mass-email openers to women of your choice, with an average closing ratio of 1 date per 10 emails.
 
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