Is Donald Trump An Alpha Male?

[MoreThanSmooth]

Not sure why people try and use the “daddy’s money” thing against him.

If he said "I was fortunate to earn my start in business through my father's generosity and tuition, he gave me a start many people don't have." and even maybe added "Lots of Americans may not be able to do that, but we can all start somewhere." it would come across as admirable.

Instead he says "I asked for a small loan of $10 million from my father. Then my financial genius and skills took me to the top. I'm basically a nouveau riche self made man, my family was pretty much penniless aside from the millions of dollars, LOL."

The difference in narcissism and self awareness between those two sentences is monumental. If he didn't have 5x more money than most people make in their lifetime to begin with (sorry, a "small" amount...lol) plus his father's business experience, he probably wouldn't have achieved anything big.

But to act like such a massive amount of cash is a few pennies and he is just some sort of genius rags-to-riches businessman is ridiculous and smacks of arrogance.

 

[zekko]

The question can't really be answered, because there are as many definitions to "alpha male" as there are posters on this forum. An alpha male cannot be some flawless human being that we all must worship, because all human beings are flawed, none of them are perfect. It doesn't matter if he is married, has 500 plates, what his morality is, no human is some mythological creature chiseled out of granite.

I have always said that alpha is a position, not a mindset, no matter how much PUAs argue to the contrary. A teacher in the classroom may be seen as alpha because he has a leadership position, which is one reason a girl might crush on her teacher. Obviously Trump has a position of authority or leadership in that he is president, runs businesses, is often the richest guy in the room, whatever. So many will perceive him as alpha on that alone. It doesn't mean he is a good husband, a good president, an honest man, a good Twitter poster, a perfect DJ, none of it.

 

[Asasione]

If he said "I was fortunate to earn my start in business through my father's generosity and tuition, he gave me a start many people don't have." and even maybe added "Lots of Americans may not be able to do that, but we can all start somewhere." it would come across as admirable.

Instead he says "I asked for a small loan of $10 million from my father. Then my financial genius and skills took me to the top. I'm basically a nouveau riche self made man, my family was pretty much penniless aside from the millions of dollars, LOL."

The difference in narcissism and self awareness between those two sentences is monumental. If he didn't have 5x more money than most people make in their lifetime to begin with (sorry, a "small" amount...lol) plus his father's business experience, he probably wouldn't have achieved anything big.

But to act like such a massive amount of cash is a few pennies and he is just some sort of genius rags-to-riches businessman is ridiculous and smacks of arrogance.

He was loaned 1 million. So he's not humble, that changes nothing. He used that million and made it into billions through his entrepreneurial skills. How many people have done that? How many billionaires are there in the world? How many presidents has America had? You aren't using your logical brain for your judgments that's for sure as by any metric he's a top 0.01% male, a class 99.99% of the population will never attain. His personal character is very flawed and he's got some dumb beliefs but he's where he is by his own efforts. Not a big fan of him but I respect what he's accomplished. In my book regardless of his childish, racist and idiotic statements he's an alpha because he's doing whatever the fvck he wants.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Trump would have had even more money if he had taken what daddy gave him and invested it in an index fund that tracks the stock market. I don't think you get to call yourself a genius for performing worse than the S&P.

I think of Putin as having the world's biggest case of short man's complex.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Putin is Alpha as fuuurk!

Yet his love life is nothing to be jealous of.

His ex-wife called him a "workaholic" when they got divorced.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Trump would have had even more money if he had taken what daddy gave him and invested it in an index fund that tracks the stock market. I don't think you get to call yourself a genius for performing worse than the S&P.

I think of Putin as having the world's biggest case of short man's complex.

His dad gave him more loans than he did cash.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Anyone who thanks Putin is an alpha male is a mega beta himself who wears pink panties to bed at night.Russia'a economy is sh!t and always will be sh!t and always has been sh!t.Putin and the Russian's in general are stupid people,Putin is as dumb as a box of fvckin rocks compared to Trump.Trump is a genius and has a very high IQ.The US economy is on fire good times rock and roll..because of Trump...on top of this Trump spins plates when he is single or married..and the fake as hell army ranger in this thread says his wife might leave him..so what? Trump will just go get another super model to fvck ...he might even have auditions in the white house to see which porn star wants to be first lady...I guarantee you thousands will apply...

A recession is coming.

Warren Buffett recently told his shareholders to expect his company to lose 50% of it's value in the near future.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

He was loaned 1 million. So he's not humble, that changes nothing. He used that million and made it into billions through his entrepreneurial skills. How many people have done that? How many billionaires are there in the world? How many presidents has America had? You aren't using your logical brain for your judgments that's for sure as by any metric he's a top 0.01% male, a class 99.99% of the population will never attain. His personal character is very flawed and he's got some dumb beliefs but he's where he is by his own efforts. Not a big fan of him but I respect what he's accomplished. In my book regardless of his childish, racist and idiotic statements he's an alpha because he's doing whatever the fvck he wants.

It was a lot more than $1 million. Estimates range from $9-10 as a loan and $100 million to several hundreds of million from his father's estate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-loan-from-his-father/?utm_term=.b74f8a257969

Give a person of even low-average intelligence a $10 mil loan and guidance from their Dad, an accomplished businessman...and unless they are completely reckless they will make a s***-load of money. Even if you don't have a father who's accomplished in business you could just spend a few thousand on a financial advisor or hire a board of investees to do it all for you.

Give me a $10 mil loan and I guarantee you I will make a f*ckload of money with it. I guarantee I'd be in the tens or hundreds of mils when I died, even if I was "unsuccessful", because literally all you'd need to do is flip property and invest in stocks. You would barely have to think about it, just graft. That level of cash gives you insanely easy options compared to your average Joe.

Am I trying to say his achievements are worth nothing? No, of course not. He will be richer than I ever will be, more powerful than I will ever be. He has done very well to become US President, obviously.

What I'm trying to get across is his painstakingly cultivated image of his peerless business sense and "self-made man American Dream" thing is phony and bulls***. I can't stand how he acts like a common man making his way to greatness when he was born richer and more powerful than 99% of people.

 

[Juan_Man]

OP, you can't be this ignorant? Trump is nothing more than your classic high functioning narcissist. Narcissists are cowards to the core, wrapped up in their ego and lies that they convenience themselves they're are always right, superior to everyone else and can't be wrong.



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Hmmm, I think it's a fair question. I think Trump showed alpha male dominance in the way he handled his debates, at least when the other candidates started taking him seriously. I do, however, wonder if he would be an effective alpha male if he didn't have the money he had.

Wouldn't you agree that alpha males have a degree of narcissism to them?

 

[QuadDeuces]

You are only as Alpha as how Beta your surroundings are.

 

[wifehunter]

 

[soulforge]

Yet his love life is nothing to be jealous of.

His ex-wife called him a "workaholic" when they got divorced.

EXACTLY why he is Alpha as fuk... He has a country to build.. He has taken Russia back from almost becoming a broke ass peasant country, to a powerful force to be RECKONED

He don't have time for woman Brah... A man needs a higher purpose than just woman.. The FACT is woman LOVE PUTIN

I personally know females who find Putin very attractive, and are drawn to his masculinity and his assertive personality..

I would not consider Trump much of an Alpha.. I don't dislike him either.. Just don't feel he has that masculinity Putin does!

 

[zekko]

Yet his love life is nothing to be jealous of.

His ex-wife called him a "workaholic" when they got divorced.

Sounds like he's focused on his mission. Whatever that is.

 

[soulforge]

He has more money than your entire family will ever have and can afford to lose half his money in a divorce and still be one of the richest men in America.

Putin is honest? Lol

I Believe Putin is MORE honest than most Western Leaders.. Obama, Bush, Hillary Clinton.. these lot lie with every breath.

Politicians by definition are Liars.. Its the nature of the beast.

When you meet an HONEST politician, please let me know mate.. Will be waiting a looong time!

 

[soulforge]

People are too obsessed with money on this forum and stardom.

Trump is a man, alpha probably cause he's doing what he's doing even if he got help from his dad and his mom. He never let people tell him what to do and does what he wants (He inherited his grand mother business who was alpha female and German immigrant, his dad who grew the business, now him)

However, Putin is definitely the Alpha Male figure to look at.

Putin... former spy, former mayor, divorced (his wife was hot but we barely saw her), judo black belt, been the longest leader of Russia since royalty, destroys all his opponents (killing, murder, votes), he's worth a few billions and rule Russia with ironfirst.... Self-made man, calm, cold, calculating, athletic, political, rich etc..

Putin still look 40 with a 6 pack when he's actually around 65 years old.

How do you look so young after so many years in politics/military? Lol

Putin #1 alpha male

Absolutely spot on man.. Putin could have any woman in the world, them hoes be dripping as soon as in his vicinity!

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Sounds like he's focused on his mission. Whatever that is.

Well so am I. I wake up and flip houses every day.

I live 30 minutes from downtown and don't ever go there because it's not worth my time.

 

[stovepipe]

Hmmm, I think it's a fair question. I think Trump showed alpha male dominance in the way he handled his debates, at least when the other candidates started taking him seriously. I do, however, wonder if he would be an effective alpha male if he didn't have the money he had.

Wouldn't you agree that alpha males have a degree of narcissism to them?

We all have traits of narcissism, some more than others. It's a human defense mechanism. Alpha can mean so many different things, but yes, most "alpha's" display more traits of it than the average person. To make a good boss you have to be more narcissistic than your average joe "imo". You have to look at the details of ones past and present life to distinguish healthy narcissism and full on crazy personality disorder. Once you're really educated on the subject it's obvious Mr. Chump is a full blown narc.

 

[skinnyguy]

He was loaned 1 million. So he's not humble, that changes nothing. He used that million and made it into billions through his entrepreneurial skills. How many people have done that? How many billionaires are there in the world? How many presidents has America had? You aren't using your logical brain for your judgments that's for sure as by any metric he's a top 0.01% male, a class 99.99% of the population will never attain. His personal character is very flawed and he's got some dumb beliefs but he's where he is by his own efforts. Not a big fan of him but I respect what he's accomplished. In my book regardless of his childish, racist and idiotic statements he's an alpha because he's doing whatever the fvck he wants.

If the argument is that “he’s a liar so he can’t be alpha”, then Clinton was not alpha, Nixon was not alpha, Kennedy was not alpha. Too many keyboard jockeys on here claiming that the most powerful man in the world isn’t alpha when they are squeaking by on 50K per year.

I disagree with Trump politically but he’s alpha as fug. Just look at how much power he has and he can buy any woman he wants.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Imagine what would happen with Putin if a 'porn-star scandal' popped up. Would he pay off the chick in a very weak NDA, hiding who he was behind lawyers, sending out lawyers to physically threaten the woman. No Putin would just say "Yea, well I fvck Porn-stars... so what?"

Putin doesn't fvck pornstars, he prefers gymnasts (google Alina Kabaeva). He has never publicly admitted to having an extramarital relationship. Nor would Putin's mistress dare to discuss such things with the media. If she did, two things would happen: a) the Russian media would not cover it; and b) she would one day discover her hair, teeth, nails, etc. suddenly falling out not long after having her morning tea.

Trump has the disadvantage of working within a system where he can't just threaten to kill people (and carry out the threat when necessary). That's why he has to rely on "lame" methods like lawsuits, NDA's, etc. Having said that, Trump is more alpha than Putin. He became the president of the United States through sheer strength of personality, defeating the establishment in both political parties, all in the face of relentless negative media coverage. It doesn't get any more alpha than that. Putin was appointed to his job by Yeltsin (in return for a promise to leave Yeltsin's corrupt family alone) and since then ran in rigged elections against nominal opponents. I'm not saying Putin is not an alpha, he has clear alpha qualities as well, but I don't think he's on the same level as Trump. Trump is a self-made man in politics; Putin is not.

As for divorces, if you are a billionaire and paying a few million dollars to your ex pursuant to a prenup is just a drop in a bucket, what does it matter?

 

[Bokanovsky]

Lying about your IQ, calling yourself a genius and firing people on Twitter does not make you "Alpha Male".

I agree, none of this makes you an alpha. Taking on the entire political establishment all by yourself, with no previous experience in politics, and accomplishing something that no one thought would be possible, against overwhelming odds, on the other hand, does make you one.

You don't have be an honest, ethical, morally sound person to be an alpha. In fact, those traits are probably unhelpful. Some of the most famous alpha males in history were evil, reprehensible men (i.e. Stalin, Hitler, Genghis Khan). Being an alpha male requires one to be manically focused on his objectives and being willing and able to do whatever it takes to accomplish them in order to get to the top of the food chain. An true alpha is ruthless almost by definition.