Women love being treated like s***

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I'm 24 years old, and usually like dating chicks my age or a year or two older. I've came to realize that chicks around age love being treated like ****.. I've had plenty of girlfriends and f*** buddies. And not all...But most.. 90% love being treated like crap. Even the ones without daddy issues. The ones that have a stable family and good lifestyle... blah blah blah. I even have girl friends that I'm cool with and sometimes tell me "my bf is an *******" " he doesn't pay much attention to me while I invest so much in him" "he was drunk the other day and pushed me infront of his friends" "I'm never going to get back with him" ....but they still get back. Wtf is wrong with woman?????
 

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I think in some perverse way they feel that as their self esteem is knocked down that the man is "higher value" than them.

So a good looking guy who is great to his GF will be seen as high value or equal value if she's sensible ("He's good to me, I'm good to him.")

On the other hand a douchelord knocking his GF down constantly makes her feel like she's not good enough for him. She'll then start projecting value onto him ("I'm low value and I must keep this man.") It also means every bit of goodness they get out of such a guy is valued more because it's rarer.

I've seen some real piece of s*** guys who psychologically abuse women, and they keep going back to them even years later because they've been conditioned to thinking that's normal and the guy "loves" them with his own brand of abuse.

But OP, even if women seem to "love" it, don't ever stoop that low mate. Being confident, ballsy and not taking s*** is one thing...giving women abuse is another entirely.

This board is all about becoming a confident, decent man who is good at dating. That means treating women with kindness and compassion, but also not letting yourself be BS'd, neutered or exploited. Being a real, decent man (hell, human) doesn't mean mentally breaking women by treating them like they're worth nothing and forcing them into some sort of twisted abusive subservience.

My 2 cents on it anyway.
 

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I even have girl friends that I'm cool with and sometimes tell me "my bf is an *******" " he doesn't pay much attention to me while I invest so much in him"
Expert DJ without even knowing it, a woman should be a (playful) hindras to your life....
 

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It's not complicated. They'd rather have an abusive jerk than an orbiter mangina. At least the jerk has balls.

But, the rare good guy will always win.
 

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sure that's true and all..

but at the same time woman treat men like absolute scum of the godforsaken earth, and the dudes just keep flocking.

get really good at emotional abuse, triangulation tactics, gaslighting, lovebombing, machivillism, brutal push pulling and you can find vulnerable people to get wrapped around your finger for sure.
 

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I'm 24 years old, and usually like dating chicks my age or a year or two older. I've came to realize that chicks around age love being treated like ****.. I've had plenty of girlfriends and f*** buddies. And not all...But most.. 90% love being treated like crap. Even the ones without daddy issues. The ones that have a stable family and good lifestyle... blah blah blah. I even have girl friends that I'm cool with and sometimes tell me "my bf is an *******" " he doesn't pay much attention to me while I invest so much in him" "he was drunk the other day and pushed me infront of his friends" "I'm never going to get back with him" ....but they still get back. Wtf is wrong with woman?????
This is where judgment of others is beneficial. Don't allow these people in your proximity and cut them from your life. Start associating with mentally stable and secure people. If you've given your friends solid advice and they fail to heed it, find new friends. These types will only leech off of your emotional and mental resources, while devaluing you in keeping their company.
 

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The principle leadership trait that successful men have is that they are disagreeable and demanding. Women are attracted to men that say "no". Agreeably is the definition of submission. Being friendly is a great way to make friends, but a terrible way to find lovers, if you are a man.
 

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Women prefer @sshole over the nice guy but the good guy over the @sshole. Good guys are nice in general but dont put up with woman's crap and are not afraid to speak their mind if they disagree or dont like something. Basically they have respect for themselves first and foremost, know how to handle themselves and act like a man.

The problem is there are so few guys that know how to strike that proper balance that they usually fall on one side or the other, so while a woman would prefer the good guy over the @sshole, they typically dont meet many of them because the women who have one know they found gold and will do everything in their power to keep him. They represent the best of both worlds
 

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Women prefer @sshole over the nice guy but the good guy over the @sshole. Good guys are nice in general but dont put up with woman's crap and are not afraid to speak their mind if they disagree or dont like something. Basically they have respect for themselves first and foremost, know how to handle themselves and act like a man.

The problem is there are so few guys that know how to strike that proper balance that they usually fall on one side or the other, so while a woman would prefer the good guy over the @sshole, they typically dont meet many of them because the women who have one know they found gold and will do everything in their power to keep him. They represent the best of both worlds
This ^^
 

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Women prefer @sshole over the nice guy but the good guy over the @sshole. Good guys are nice in general but dont put up with woman's crap and are not afraid to speak their mind if they disagree or dont like something. Basically they have respect for themselves first and foremost, know how to handle themselves and act like a man.

The problem is there are so few guys that know how to strike that proper balance that they usually fall on one side or the other, so while a woman would prefer the good guy over the @sshole, they typically dont meet many of them because the women who have one know they found gold and will do everything in their power to keep him. They represent the best of both worlds
You are absolutely correct that one should strive to be a good guy.I am "nice" to a woman or anybody for that matter as long as they are respectful,when someone starts being disrespectful or hateful or mean you just back off and fade into the woodwork,if they are sorry they will come back and apologize. I have had this happen countless times.The "jerk" can keep a woman for a time but if a rightfully calibrated good guy comes along he is screwed and will lose the girl to him.
 
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"The good guy always wins" is a denouement for feel-good movies.

We would need to define the term "good" for it to be of any practical use in rational discussion.

I'd assume such traits as reliability, politeness, sincerity, agreeableness as @RangerMIke points out.

These are commitment traits.

Therefore good guy = commitment minded
Arsehole = commitmentphobic

It would seem.
Good and Bad is relative. I do believe that 'good' relative to the definition, more often than not does prevail.

But human mating strategies do not fall along rational lines. It is instinctual and an intrinsic part of our humanity which began to form 10,000 years ago. But most of Europe was not civilized until about 1000 years ago. With rational enlightenment beginning 333 years ago.

From a Female perspective, though most of human history, what was 'good? Good for them was to attach themselves to the biggest bad@ss male capable of protecting her and her children. This male had to be demanding and disagreeable, because if he was not, then other males would just take sh!t from him, and the other males in the tribe would just run a train on her. So deep down, chicks are attracted to men that stand up for themselves and are willing and capable of fighting for what is his.

From a male perspective, what is 'good' are those characteristics that indicate the ability to bear children, and a willingness to be passive submissive. We are attracted to youth, symmetry, and healthy characteristics. Passive submission is attractive to most men because it indicates the ability to control a chick with minimal effort and ensure loyalty. Loyalty is not a characteristic, it is a byproduct of the characteristics of passivity and submission.
 

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Good and Bad is relative. I do believe that 'good' relative to the definition, more often than not does prevail.

But human mating strategies do not fall along rational lines. It is instinctual and an intrinsic part of our humanity which began to form 10,000 years ago. But most of Europe was not civilized until about 1000 years ago. With rational enlightenment beginning 333 years ago.

From a Female perspective, though most of human history, what was 'good? Good for them was to attach themselves to the biggest bad@ss male capable of protecting her and her children. This male had to be demanding and disagreeable, because if he was not, then other males would just take sh!t from him, and the other males in the tribe would just run a train on her. So deep down, chicks are attracted to men that stand up for themselves and are willing and capable of fighting for what is his.

From a male perspective, what is 'good' are those characteristics that indicate the ability to bear children, and a willingness to be passive submissive. We are attracted to youth, symmetry, and healthy characteristics. Passive submission is attractive to most men because it indicates the ability to control a chick with minimal effort and ensure loyalty. Loyalty is not a characteristic, it is a byproduct of the characteristics of passivity and submission.
Good post Mike.
 

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Good and Bad is relative. I do believe that 'good' relative to the definition, more often than not does prevail.

But human mating strategies do not fall along rational lines. It is instinctual and an intrinsic part of our humanity which began to form 10,000 years ago. But most of Europe was not civilized until about 1000 years ago. With rational enlightenment beginning 333 years ago.

From a Female perspective, though most of human history, what was 'good? Good for them was to attach themselves to the biggest bad@ss male capable of protecting her and her children. This male had to be demanding and disagreeable, because if he was not, then other males would just take sh!t from him, and the other males in the tribe would just run a train on her. So deep down, chicks are attracted to men that stand up for themselves and are willing and capable of fighting for what is his.

From a male perspective, what is 'good' are those characteristics that indicate the ability to bear children, and a willingness to be passive submissive. We are attracted to youth, symmetry, and healthy characteristics. Passive submission is attractive to most men because it indicates the ability to control a chick with minimal effort and ensure loyalty. Loyalty is not a characteristic, it is a byproduct of the characteristics of passivity and submission.
Its all about creating genetically healthy (or superior) babies. Which is actually very rational. Just not intentionally.

Both genders seek out biologically healthy mates.

Female SMV: Looks, youth, fertility

*Looks = Show biological health. More likely to survive the reproductive process without getting sick or other medical issues
*Youth = A young body is more robust and resilient. Improved chances of successful reproduction and more time for future reproduction.
*Fertility = Men want to spread their seed, but hunting is tough. The more kids you can have with one high quality partner the better.

Male SMW: Looks, MONEY, Status

*Looks = Show biological health. More likely to survive attacks and win fights. More likely to have healthy offspring.
*MONEY = Display of worldly resources. Abundance of resources to create a safe and comfortable environment for offspring. Less limitations.
*Status = Display of power and influence over others. Sign of genetic superiority. Pre-approved VALUE.


There are also two different mating strategies used by each gender:

Female Strategies

1. Alpha f*cks, beta bucks = Secure a stable and loyal man with lower SMV than herself and f*ck HOT men raw behind his back. Pass on the superior genes, but take the resources from the genetically inferior man.
2. Cash in the chips = Find a man with high SMV (or the best she can get) and reproduce only with him.

Male Strategies

1. Leasing = Have many short term relationships with women of high SMW. Shag as many women as possible for as long as possible.
2. Buy and hold = Find a woman with high SMV (or the best you can get) and reproduce only with her

Both genders exercise hypergamy. Men have more opportunities to exercise hypergamy with age and accumulation of resources and status over time. Women have less chances starting in their late 20's.
 

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sure that's true and all..

but at the same time woman treat men like absolute scum of the godforsaken earth, and the dudes just keep flocking.

get really good at emotional abuse, triangulation tactics, gaslighting, lovebombing, machivillism, brutal push pulling and you can find vulnerable people to get wrapped around your finger for sure.
Spoken like a true psychopath
 
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