Help me get over my extreme negativity/defeatism with women

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I probably shouldn't be giving advice in this area given I am in a similar situation in regards to women. But a few observations in general:

- You have a good job and you seem to be normal looking enough so that your appearance likely isnt a problem at all. The fact you have a good paying job means you have a lot going for you, so thats certainly not an issue either. Basically the stuff thats outside of your control ( being really short) is already taken care of. You also seemed to put in the effort to position yourself well, which regardless of women is a great thing. Nice work!

- Despite what women say they want, its entirely different story when you look at what they actually want. They like the alpha male type who has a lot of options. Having no options is a catch 22 - the fewer options you have, the more women can tell making it harder in this area.

- Women seem to like guys who are bold, and can make them have a fun time. Women attraction points are mostly mental which is why an ugly-ish guy with some "game" can do okay for themselves. I personally had my best luck when I was sociable, funny, and enjoyed life.

- Social proof can be important depending where you live. If your high in demand, women seem to pick up on this and you barely have to do anything. I would say that being popular is more important than looks, and salary if said salary isn't a large amount.

I'll give you the same advice I am giving myself and that is to be social. Don't force it, just be an amusing person to be around. If a women is luke warm/cold, just cut your losses and go for it when you feel something is there.

here's the strange thing man - I make friends everywhere I go very naturally and easy with upscale people. The big difference is I believe in myself when it comes to making friends and I am terribly insecure with women. I always fear that I'm not good enough


I was at a bar last night and I talked to multiple good looking couples and they all liked me immediately. I couldn't make myself talk to any of the cute single girls there - my first instinct was that I have to be inhumanly perfect for them to like me.
 

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here's the strange thing man - I make friends everywhere I go very naturally and easy with upscale people. The big difference is I believe in myself when it comes to making friends and I am terribly insecure with women. I always fear that I'm not good enough


I was at a bar last night and I talked to multiple good looking couples and they all liked me immediately. I couldn't make myself talk to any of the cute single girls there - my first instinct was that I have to be inhumanly perfect for them to like me.
You sound a lot like me ( except you are about 2X better off than I was at that age). With regular people, you let your guard down and just go for it. That could be the difference. As soon as you "try" with women, they can usually pick up the insecurity very easily. Thats why my best success was when they had to enter my sphere of influence and not the other way around. This is why so many guys on this forum advocate dating multiple women before actually getting in a relationship. I won't go into the merits here since they are plastered all over, but the idea simply being that you can't really focus too much on her.

I'll be honest, at first I was a fake it till I made it type person. I remember going up to girls when I was in my early 20s and trying to talk to them only to get shot down. After reading "The Game" I learned how to approach a little without being desperate looking. Confidence is a weird thing. In many ways, actions begat confidence even if your actions aren't confident initially. For example, when you approach a stranger and are able to have a funny conversation ( despite being nervous as hell), your brain seems to subconsciously believing you CAN approach again. This makes the next approach better, and so on. Eventually its a fun game. However confidence works the other way too, when you start feeling like crap, you don't feel like you can approach, which makes each approach worse.

here is what i used to do when I killed it. First, believe that you are the ****** and that people want to be around you. Obviously you have friends, a good job and all of that so its actually true. Cool. Next, when you are out, if you see someone you want to talk to...3 seconds...you just do it. I stopped approaching directly, and instead made it look like I was passing by - open with some question or a quick observation. Observe body language, and see if she responds. If not, just keep going and no harm. If she opens up, keep asking questions. Eventually you won't even have to try. Do what works well for you. Back when I was your age, I tried this in Serbia where no one at the bar spoke english. I even ended up with a phone number, although asking for that was difficult because of the language barrier. It goes to show that ones actions are more important than what you even say!

If I had to summarize, it would be this. Enjoy your situation in life. Enjoy the fact you *have* friends and can afford the opportunity to be out and among younger women. Walk into the room with a yuge smile and just socialize. One day, the friends will grow old, get married, have kids and it will be over so live in the moment. Take it from a guy who is now at that stage and fondly misses those days of going for it.

Good luck buddy.
 

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You sound a lot like me ( except you are about 2X better off than I was at that age). With regular people, you let your guard down and just go for it. That could be the difference. As soon as you "try" with women, they can usually pick up the insecurity very easily. Thats why my best success was when they had to enter my sphere of influence and not the other way around. This is why so many guys on this forum advocate dating multiple women before actually getting in a relationship. I won't go into the merits here since they are plastered all over, but the idea simply being that you can't really focus too much on her.

I'll be honest, at first I was a fake it till I made it type person. I remember going up to girls when I was in my early 20s and trying to talk to them only to get shot down. After reading "The Game" I learned how to approach a little without being desperate looking. Confidence is a weird thing. In many ways, actions begat confidence even if your actions aren't confident initially. For example, when you approach a stranger and are able to have a funny conversation ( despite being nervous as hell), your brain seems to subconsciously believing you CAN approach again. This makes the next approach better, and so on. Eventually its a fun game. However confidence works the other way too, when you start feeling like crap, you don't feel like you can approach, which makes each approach worse.

here is what i used to do when I killed it. First, believe that you are the ****** and that people want to be around you. Obviously you have friends, a good job and all of that so its actually true. Cool. Next, when you are out, if you see someone you want to talk to...3 seconds...you just do it. I stopped approaching directly, and instead made it look like I was passing by - open with some question or a quick observation. Observe body language, and see if she responds. If not, just keep going and no harm. If she opens up, keep asking questions. Eventually you won't even have to try. Do what works well for you. Back when I was your age, I tried this in Serbia where no one at the bar spoke english. I even ended up with a phone number, although asking for that was difficult because of the language barrier. It goes to show that ones actions are more important than what you even say!

If I had to summarize, it would be this. Enjoy your situation in life. Enjoy the fact you *have* friends and can afford the opportunity to be out and among younger women. Walk into the room with a yuge smile and just socialize. One day, the friends will grow old, get married, have kids and it will be over so live in the moment. Take it from a guy who is now at that stage and fondly misses those days of going for it.

Good luck buddy.
thanks

main thing is I just have to somehow way convince myself that I deserve to have a dating life and that women are not impossible

I convinced myself for so long that I will never have a dating life and that women are impossible
 

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thanks

main thing is I just have to somehow way convince myself that I deserve to have a dating life and that women are not impossible

I convinced myself for so long that I will never have a dating life and that women are impossible
I know where your coming from more than you know. The trick isn't thinking you deserve something, its knowing you deserve something ( see how I copied the matrix there? It shows my age). Let me ask you the following: when was the last time you dated a women in a meaningful way? Do you know what traits you want in a women? Lastly, why do you think you don't deserve to date women?
 

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I know where your coming from more than you know. The trick isn't thinking you deserve something, its knowing you deserve something ( see how I copied the matrix there? It shows my age). Let me ask you the following: when was the last time you dated a women in a meaningful way? Do you know what traits you want in a women? Lastly, why do you think you don't deserve to date women?
I've never had a girlfriend man. I've had some very casual dating experience - all with women who were way way way below my league - but it was good to let me know what I want


I've always felt like I didn't deserve to have any semblance of a dating life. I was fat in high school and it destroyed my confidence with women. I remember kids mocking me for having zero experience/confidence with women in high school and that severely traumatized me. I also watched porn too young - which made me incapable of interacting with women on a normal level. It took me so long until I could feel like I can just talk to women like normal human beings
 

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Have you seen a psychologist? There is something really off if you've achieved so much, can socialize with people no problem, are good looking and young, but still can't make any progress with women. Can you go into detail about what happens in your mind AND body when you see/approach/talk to women you're interested in? It seems like you have really severe approach anxiety? But you said you've dated girls "below" you? I'm confused.
 

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Think about it - 29, no kids, college educated, good looking and buff, making close to 200K, I have no real significant flaws in anything.
Face it, you don't have the "it" factor.

No flaws? Go look in the mirror and tell yourself that. EVERYONE has serious flaws.

Absolutely none of your s*hit I quoted matters if you don't believe in yourself--which you obviously don't. You seem to feel entitled because of all these "advantages" you feel you have, that women should flock to you. Sounds like they're running fast the other way, frankly.

Maybe you should do less bragging and boasting about all your s*hit and buckle down and gain some confidence and assertiveness because right now, based on how you post on SS, you're quite beta which is repelling to most all quality women.
 

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Face it, you don't have the "it" factor.

No flaws? Go look in the mirror and tell yourself that. EVERYONE has serious flaws.

Absolutely none of your s*hit I quoted matters if you don't believe in yourself--which you obviously don't. You seem to feel entitled because of all these "advantages" you feel you have, that women should flock to you. Sounds like they're running fast the other way, frankly.

Maybe you should do less bragging and boasting about all your s*hit and buckle down and gain some confidence and assertiveness because right now, based on how you post on SS, you're quite beta which is repelling to most all quality women.
I did not disagree a word of what you said

Did you read the OP man? That's exactly what I'm talking about
 

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this guy looks familiar...
 

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what is your job? You can be a millionaire, but if you spend your money like a broke minimum wage person then your typical girl won’t give two flying **** about how much money you make. You’re going to have to convince girls that you’re this cool suave dude that has an awesome job that pays 200k not some boring dave Ramsey beta no fun loser lol.
 

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You're not a male 9-10 in looks. You should be shooting for 6-8 women imo
for my ethnicity (i'm Armenian), I'm considered extraordinarily handsome. You'll rarely see an Armo dude better looking than me


but I would murder a baby kitten to have a 7.5-8/10 GF. I'm not going for anything much better looking than that
 

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OP, I must be the only one here who doesn't believe ur story.

It's like a movie script from some sad story.

Too scripted to my liking.
 

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OP, I must be the only one here who doesn't believe ur story.

It's like a movie script from some sad story.

Too scripted to my liking.
Yeah I want to agree with you, that would make him troll level 100. With as many post this guy has you can definitely see how desperate and needy for advice he's become. If he's like that here you can imagine how his interactions with woman are like.

3/4mos on here and very little progress. Moving forward all his posts should be strictly about the approaches he does and that's it.
 
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I concur.

Seems off somewhere. Repetitive storyline.
 

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OP, I must be the only one here who doesn't believe ur story.

It's like a movie script from some sad story.

Too scripted to my liking.
why? I was fat in high school and developed a horrible attitude towards dating
 
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