A sales background

[guru1000]

I did update my wardrobe. Didn't get the professional pictures taken yet, but I just talked to the photographer a few hours ago, so that will be taken care of in a few weeks. Here's my latest pic @Tenacity taken in the changing room of Hugo Boss. I admit my hair and facial hair is a bit messy and my lack of smile is unappealing and borderline psycho looking.

Sharp shirt Richard. Now get it tailored to appear fitted around back and waist. Not tight. Not loose. Fitted.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

What's this? Pareto?.?.

Pareto Principle, otherwise known as the 80-20 rule, says that in any system, eighty percent of the work is due to twenty percent of the elements.

In sales, it means that 80 percent of the total sales will be made by top 20% of salespeople.

And within that top 20, there's another 20-80 split.

Same with guys and girls.

Top percent get most of the women.

20% of 20% is 4%.

So the top 4% of any system (sales people or seducers) will generally be getting 64% (80 percent of the 80 percent) of all the sales or women.

But my overall point was that in any given market and any given product, there will be the top 4% doing most of the work.

The difference between those top 4% and the bottom 80% is NOT attributed to product or market. Only sales skills.

If you want consistent "access" to the majority (64%) of women (and not the bottom of the barrel) you've got to be in the top 4%.

This is why is sucks to be beta.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

If by laid back, you mean psychotic, then yes.

I definitely concur. You look like you're making one of those farewell youtube videos before going on a killing spree...

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Sharp shirt Richard. Now get it tailored to appear fitted around back and waist. Not tight. Not loose. Fitted.

Okay. Not sure if the other 2 I bought were as good.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I definitely concur. You look like you're making one of those farewell youtube videos before going on a killing spree...

Have you ever noticed that all of your advice sucks, nobody asked for it, and you're a little kid who DOESN'T fvck hot girls?

I'm not sure who is worse, you or @deesade

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Have you ever noticed that all of your advice sucks, nobody asked for it, and you're a little kid who DOESN'T fvck hot girls?

No, I, uh, never noticed that....

I'm not sure who is worse, you or @deesade

Well, when it comes to in field advice, (compared to say, infield advice which you might find on a baseball forum) based on real world results and true game (cold approach, language and behavior to create attraction), I'd say @deesade would be the guy to listen to.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

No, I, uh, never noticed that....



Well, when it comes to in field advice, (compared to say, infield advice which you might find on a baseball forum) based on real world results and true game (cold approach, language and behavior to create attraction), I'd say @deesade would be the guy to listen to.

Strange, I've never heard any good advice from @deesade

Get high and go to the grocery store?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Get high and go to the grocery store?

Don't knock it till you've tried it...(might loosen you up a bit, tone down some of that serial killer vibe...)

 

[Glassguy]

Great points OP.

My only concern is, if the salesman is "too good", I start to get suspicious. Couple of examples:

1) Coworker: Very good salesman. Top 10 nationally in our company. Makes very good and logical points in selling and is generally a happy guy. I've taken pointers from him, but I wouldn't trust him in a deal. Coincidentally, I've heard he has gone behind people's backs to make deals. Very good upfront, sneaky on the side.

2) Date: Just made a thread about this. Had a date with a good looking girl, she was very flirty and hands on. Used to be a good saleswoman in a dept store and still does sales but by herself. She came on very strong, I follow up and nothing. So essentially she wanted power rather than making a connection.

Being a good salesman kind of depends on who your audience is.

Good points. Overselling yourself is a deal breaker in both the sales and dating world.

Logic- that is what most men who excell in sales and dating have a lot of.

Women and a lot of buyers (especially the spontaneous buyers) are emotional. Applying good logic to their emotions creates an easy sale.

 

[Von]

Good points. Overselling yourself is a deal breaker in both the sales and dating world.

Logic- that is what most men who excell in sales and dating have a lot of.

Women and a lot of buyers (especially the spontaneous buyers) are emotional. Applying good logic to their emotions creates an easy sale.

Every buying décision is emotinal.

Logic is just the rationalisation of emotions.

Good sellers are good and above average (Pareto 20% top)

Sales taught me : To handle rejection, rebound, handle sh!t test and initial rejection (easier to sell to someone who says : No (but maintain an opening), than someone who says Yesyes yes so easily (like casual), it allowed me to notice signals better, it also taught me you cant win all battles all the time but you can win the war (improving business). It also showed me the importance of social group/networking. It solidify me, since from the start people get on the défensive when they see à "salesmans". It also remind me of the importance of humour, empathy, willpower

 

[Glassguy]

Every buying décision is emotinal.

Logic is just the rationalisation of emotions.

Good sellers are good and above average (Pareto 20% top)

Sales taught me : To handle rejection, rebound, handle sh!t test and initial rejection (easier to sell to someone who says : No (but maintain an opening), than someone who says Yesyes yes so easily (like casual), it allowed me to notice signals better, it also taught me you cant win all battles all the time but you can win the war (improving business). It also showed me the importance of social group/networking. It solidify me, since from the start people get on the défensive when they see à "salesmans". It also remind me of the importance of humour, empathy, willpower

The sale doesnt start until the potential customer says no.

The "game" doesnt start until the chick either plays hard to get or doesn't lay down like a rug on the first attempt on her.

I will say that the older I get, the less game I use. These chicks can either make it easy and jump onboard or take their shyte down the road. My time and energy is better spent elsewhere if they don't make it easy.

 

[Red Legg]

When you can extract million dollar checks over the phone after 15-20 minutes of pitching a new client, then you become the greatest of salesmen. Stockbrokers are the best of the best.

Not necessarily .....when you cold door knock many times you are trying to cram a very expensive item down someones throat who cannot afford it..and is not even in the market for what you are trying to sell them...