Okay so here are my direct questions to you. When you get a moment, please answer them directly:
- This woman that you just described, how old is she? Is she over 25? Is she over 30? Why isn't she already married if (according to you) her entire life framework is centered on traditional values of being married and serving within the constructs of a marriage infrastructure? Why would she be 25, 30, etc., on Match.com looking to "get married" and not already married?
- Would you NOT AGREE that the woman you described, if she exists still in this market, would already be married by the age of 21 (in the vast majority of cases)?
This is one-dimensional thinking. You are trying to ascribe logic into a specific cage when there are myriad exceptions.
I met plenty of women 25-30yo that came from these cultures who either started dating very late in their life, virgins who were waiting to get married, had bad experiences, are extremely picky, etc.
I encourage you to expand your thinking a bit, be fluid, and stop placing people into boxes as there are many exceptions to any rule you invest into.
Tenacity said:
- Finally, why sign a marriage contract with this woman if you could obtain the same level of BENEFITS without signing a contract? Granted, maybe you can't do the arrangement with the same WOMAN, but the only benefits that a guy can obtain from women is sex, companionship, and some level of quality benefits such as her caring for the guy, cooking for the guy, paying for some dates, or buying him some gifts from time to time. These are BENEFITS you can obtain from a woman or women in general, without EVER signing a marriage contract.
You are naming benefits of a place.
We are discussing benefits of a strong LTR from a subset of women born and bred for strong familial bonds, which is much broader than sex and companionship. How about, a woman who bears, raises your lineage while you are out there conquering the world? How about a woman who's got your back, come hell or high water? How about a woman who adores you and will do everything to please you? Among dozens of other LTR benefits. Can a plate do this for you?
Of course, you will object this is blue-pill, Disney crap,
but how do you rationally explain that 90% of the people I know from these select communities where I had grown up have these kind of marriages with these kinds of women, with, like I mentioned earlier in this thread, a nominal 10% or less divorce rate. I personally know and communicate with dozens of couples in our age bracket like this. This is not unicorn material if you are shopping in the correct supermarket.
Tenacity said:
That's not true. I have dated many black women who were never married, had no kids, had somewhat decent finances, and whose parents are still married. The black women had OTHER issues that I was concerned about, from attitude issues, high maintenance issues, and other "stuff". Plus in no way would I label these women as Unicorns, there ARE NO Unicorns. Just because a woman comes from "traditional values" Guru, that does not mean she is some Unicorn or any "Special" compared to any other woman out here.
You're looking at the tangibles, that is, "no kids," "never married," "decent finances." What about the intangibles such as her values, her social indoctrination, her biblical indoctrination, her community, her family, her company?
Tenacity said:
I personally think this new "campaign" you are on will fail......why? Because no matter what you say, facts are facts. The FACTS are that the Marriage Contract makes no logical or business sense, and there's nothing you can do legal wise (prenup, incorporations, transfers, etc.) to truly make sense of the Contract. The other FACT is that there are NO UNICORNS. Every woman is FVCKED UP in some form or fashion.
Marriage is a financial contract. Prenup is a financial contract. Corporate entities are implicit financial contracts of protection. You mitigate a financial contract against you with financial contracts for you--and reap the benefits of a potential soldier from good stock born and bred to enhance your life and raise your lineage. What does perpetual plate spinning leave you with: a soar ****, lots of Viagra to keep up (as you get older), rinse & repeat every few months, time, energy, money, cynicism incited by a crap market, dealing with princesses, dealing with occasional lunatics, headaches--and in your case rants, explosions, and hundreds of hours of complaining about the state of the market?
LTR with the right women sounds like a much better overall investment to me, my life, my well being, and my sanity than perpetual plate spinning.