Women's view of modern dating.... Article... Discuss....

[Urbanyst]

I think this article sheds light on things I've been discussing, about how the dating market has changed based on the fact that Men and Women no longer "need" each other. We no longer need each other for survival (women don't need men to provide and men don't need women to keep the house together), as a result, it turns our relationships into forms of entertainment based on convenience. Even most people who are getting married today, are only doing so for attention, social media likes, and to fit into particular networks that usually shed a more positive light on being married rather than being single.

Let's go over some of what she "dislikes":

- She hates that many of the guys she meets have bad manners

- She hates that guys are more concerned about her looks than her "personality"

- She hates that guys treat her like a sex toy

- She wonders where the "good mature men" are

- She wonders why guys just "disappear"

- She hates competing with other women for one man

- Based on the above......she feels it's okay to have a ***** attitude

Here's the reality, we don't need each other anymore, as a result, the foundation of our relationships become based on what was once defined as superficial things. For men, it's all about how a woman LOOKS primarily. For women, it's really all about how a man makes her feel, in which good feelings are usually a result of a guy being strong in either personality, finances, looks, or a combination of the three.

The short term dating/one night stand market is BOOMING, but the long term relationship/quality relationship market is in a Great Recession. And that's because we are not MANUFACTURING long term relationship cultures anymore.

As we move forward over the next 10 - 20 years, expect to see more bisexual, gay, lesbian, and transgender lifestyles embraced. Expect to see the modern "family" structure further vanished. Expect social media and online dating to get even bigger than they are.

The way to WIN in this new market, is to forgo long term relationships and be focused on short term relationship goals. It's a new normal. This is not your granddaddy's or even your daddy's dating market anymore.

The problem today is our culture and our biology are not on the same page anymore. This hurts women more than men in the long-run I think.

I've come to realize the red pill is more mainstream than ever before. I meet so many guys with realistic opinions about women compared to what I used to run into years ago when every guy was a white knight or close. Men don't get the same level of respect for supporting and protecting women at their own expense anymore. They just look like fools and suckers.

Red pill has gone viral. Its in the media. Its in stand up comedy. Its all over. The cat is out of the bag.

The fruits of feminism for women probably peaked in the 80's and 90's. That was probably as close to having their cake and eating it too they ever got. Don't get me wrong.. society still favors female values. But the increased awareness among men is HUGE and we probably won't see the ultimate effects of this for a while since most red pill men remain undercover hiding in plain sight.

On top of that.. every blue pill guy is just one divorce, custody battle, or sh*t test away from flipping lol.

 

[guru1000]

The short term dating/one night stand market is BOOMING, but the long term relationship/quality relationship market is in a Great Recession. And that's because we are not MANUFACTURING long term relationship cultures anymore.

As we move forward over the next 10 - 20 years, expect to see more bisexual, gay, lesbian, and transgender lifestyles embraced. Expect to see the modern "family" structure further vanished. Expect social media and online dating to get even bigger than they are.

The way to WIN in this new market, is to forgo long term relationships and be focused on short term relationship goals. It's a new normal. This is not your granddaddy's or even your daddy's dating market anymore.

You act like this is a bad thing. This is a major advantage to navigate IMO.

 

[Urbanyst]

You act like this is a bad thing. This is a major advantage to navigate IMO.

Only for men with VALUE.

Even with casual sex, hook-up culture and breezy relationships becoming the norm.. you still have to be more enticing than the next guy if you want the HOT young women.

With women exercising full blown hypergamy... you will have the top men spinning 50-100 plates while loads of average and below average men fight over scraps. Scraps meaning fat women, ugly women, trashy women and women over 30.

 

[guru1000]

Only for men with VALUE.

Even with casual sex, hook-up culture and breezy relationships becoming the norm.. you still have to be more enticing than the next guy if you want the HOT young women.

With women exercising full blown hypergamy... you will have the top men spinning 50-100 plates while loads of average and below average men fight over scraps. Scraps meaning fat women, ugly women, trashy women and women over 30.

Either way low-tier men would end with low-tier women, LTR or not. If anything, at least many men will better themselves and their "game" to compete in the marketplace instead of becoming complacent, lazy, fat fvcks.

 

[Urbanyst]

Either way low-tier men would end with low-tier women, LTR or not. If anything, at least many men will better themselves and their "game" to compete in the marketplace instead of becoming complacent, lazy, fat fvcks.

I hear ya.

What I'm trying to say is removing the social pressure on women to be in "relationships" opens to the door to full blown branch swinging with zero stigma. Thus, further degrading the quality of all women. HOT women in the 21-29 range will just wh0re themselves out to the highest bidder until someone bids higher.

I find the quality of today's women unappealing enough already. Do you really want every women you sleep with to have a stretched out vagina like a prostitute? I like a tight vagina.

 

[guru1000]

I hear ya.

What I'm trying to say is removing the social pressure on women to be in "relationships" opens to the door to full blown branch swinging with zero stigma. Thus, further degrading the quality of all women. HOT women in the 21-29 range will just wh0re themselves out to the highest bidder until someone bids higher.

I find the quality of today's women unappealing enough already. Do you really want every women you sleep with to have a stretched out vagina like a prostitute? I like a tight vagina.

I really don't find much difference between a "good" girl and a "bad" girl. I used to. Hundreds of women (literally hundreds) later, I see little difference, other than more/stronger manipulation among the "good."

BTW, vaginas can be exercised tight. Like stated, no difference.

I actually respect the "hooker." At least she's upfront with her motive.

 

[Fruitbat]

Bunch of complaints for her shooting above her SMV. Shoot within your SMV range, and you won't have these issues with either gender the majority of the time.

Don't like your SMV range? Then, get better.

That was my point about men pursuing hot women and then bytching about the way they are.

If you know you aren't a 9, expect to be d1cked around by 9s.

 

[That_dude]

The problem today is our culture and our biology are not on the same page anymore. This hurts women more than men in the long-run I think.

I've come to realize the red pill is more mainstream than ever before. I meet so many guys with realistic opinions about women compared to what I used to run into years ago when every guy was a white knight or close. Men don't get the same level of respect for supporting and protecting women at their own expense anymore. They just look like fools and suckers.

Red pill has gone viral. Its in the media. Its in stand up comedy. Its all over. The cat is out of the bag.

The fruits of feminism for women probably peaked in the 80's and 90's. That was probably as close to having their cake and eating it too they ever got. Don't get me wrong.. society still favors female values. But the increased awareness among men is HUGE and we probably won't see the ultimate effects of this for a while since most red pill men remain undercover hiding in plain sight.

On top of that.. every blue pill guy is just one divorce, custody battle, or sh*t test away from flipping lol.

I believe the red pill has gone viral due to social media. Guys who’ve figure women out have shared there knowledge across the internet. As a result, less blue pill guys will be in the dark and getting played over and over again

 

[BeTheChange]

Either way low-tier men would end with low-tier women, LTR or not. If anything, at least many men will better themselves and their "game" to compete in the marketplace instead of becoming complacent, lazy, fat fvcks.

@Urbanyst is right. It becomes a problem when the desire to compete is one sided. Just look at the number of men in gyms vs woman. Female obesity is increasing at a faster rate than men's also. This new landscape is not something to be embraced optimistically. I think all men are worse off.

You have men bettering themselves and upping their SMV to survive in a more competitve landscape and women doing what exactly?

If women shun relationships, embrace hypergamy and are content to share a man then all it means is more high quality men competing for the same woman. It's all relative.

I think you're far more likely to see a man who is a 9 wifing a woman who is a 7 or worse than was the case 40 years ago, when LTRs were the norm.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Men shape the business world, women shape the dating/relationship/marriage one.

If our gdp and technology is growing while our families are getting broken it means one precise thing.

When it comes of relationships and dating men react, they dont innovate or create, they simply react to what women put them around.

Going ghost, flaking, not picking up the phone and so on were all actions introduced in the game from women not men, there were no flaking men 10yrs ago but women tought them it was doable and agreeable.

The "zero investment" policy many men follow didnt come out of nowhere, it was simply a cost/benefit based policy based on that and on the rate of return for effort given.

 

[The Duke]

The way to WIN in this new market, is to forgo long term relationships and be focused on short term relationship goals. It's a new normal. This is not your granddaddy's or even your daddy's dating market anymore.

Very solid post Tenancity. I've struggled with the whole long term/short term deal. But my brain tells me you are exactly right and also the reasons you listed can not be denied. I don't see those in my social circle making the long term deal work either.

 

[The Duke]

You act like this is a bad thing. This is a major advantage to navigate IMO.

To me its a good thing if you want short term relationships. I can find "fun and hot" all day long. Its a bad thing if you want long term and @Tenacity mentioned every reason why.

 

[dude99]

I have inserted my thoughts in italics

Believe it or not, once upon a time I was just a caring, optimistic girl looking for love in my life. I minded my Ps and Qs, showed my genuine kindness and enthusiasm and behaved with grace with every guy I met. One by one, my enthusiasm went from Taylor Swift sweet to burn all of your crap Beyonce — I’m literally over these douchebag guys that make up the majority of our dating pool. I wasn’t always a *****, but modern dating culture made me this way.

1. THE FISH IN THE SEA HAVE TURNED INTO MUTANTS IN THE SEWER.
It used to be that coming across good guys, or at least guys with actual normal manners, weren’t so few and far between. These days, you have to hike up Everest and nearly die of hypothermia before you come across a small glimmer of hope. How is it possible for so many players to exist at one time? Ugh.


Women have created this situation by holding all the power with on-line dating and their smug attitude and mind games. flooded with attention. The other HUGE thing is men now have access to Red Pill material (ie0 The Rational Male) and have woken up. I sincerely DO feel sympathy for today's women that are sincere.....but women in general have created this with feminism and total lack of respect for men. They are now reaping what they have sown.

2. MOST GUYS AREN’T WORTH PUTTING ON PANTS FOR.
Getting ready for another date just to sit across from a guy who talks about my great ass and chest more than who I actually as am a person makes me want to vomit in my $10 martini. I’d rather sit at home in comfort, blissfully unaware of the jerk I’m not missing out on. sSe that sense of entitlement there? That is what has created the current situation

3. I LIKE NETFLIX MORE THAN DEALING WITH ACTUAL MEN.
Who needs a boyfriend when I can sit bra-less with a bottle of wine and marathon through the new season of Orange Is The New Black? That’s right, no one. True love is just a button press away. Enjoy your cats - stop complaining.

4. IT’S HARD TO BELIEVE GOOD GUYS ARE STILL OUT THERE.
In all honesty, I’ve met so many douche canoes that I’m starting to wonder if real and grownaass men still exist. Are you out there? Hello? Will the real good guys please stand the hell up? Geez. back to the smarmy attitude and sense of entitlement. very unattractive. Self-perpetuating cycle here.

5. I’M SICK OF COMPETING.
I didn’t sign up for any BS reality TV type of love, so forgive me if I’m not about to be just another contestant in the lineup. No one dates honestly anymore, so why should I care about dating at all? Don't then. FFS, just stop whining and bitching - again, very, very unattractive. As far as "dating honestly", lol. It has been DECADES since women did that. Enjoy reaping what you have sown.

6. THERE’S ZERO EFFORT MADE THESE DAYS, SO WHY AM I WASTING MY ENERGY?
I’m rarely impressed by guys now and it’s not because of anything they did wrong; it’s more the expectation that they’re going to be a huge disappointment like every moron before them. I’d like to be hopeful that one guy will eventually change my mind, but I have yet to come across a guy who isn’t a lazy jerk that just wants to get into my pants as fast as he can. So forgive me if I’m not swooning with charm right off the bat — he needs to earn it first."he needs to earn it first" WOW. There is that same entitled attitude. Again, enjoy your lonely, bra-less nights with a bottle of wine, binge watching Orange is the new black..

7. I’VE BEEN GHOSTED ONE TOO MANY TIMES.
I haven’t been ghosted just once or twice — it’s literally 80% of the time I meet someone. Guys these days just cower and turn into ill-mannered jerks that can’t formulate a simple sentence to say goodbye. After about a dozen, I stopped caring to go above and beyond to remain the nice girl. I’m done. Hurts when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it?

8. I’M SICK OF BEING TREATED LIKE A SEXUAL OBJECT.
Because why would I want to subject myself to a selfish idiot who doesn’t respect me as a person and just wants my body? I’m perfectly good at satisfying myself. I don’t need to subject myself to one more loser who is most likely going to activate my ***** flag just so he can feel temporary enjoyment. No thanks. You have done us all a favour by removing yourself with your ****ttty attitude from the dating pool.

9. BEING A ***** FEELS INFINITELY BETTER THAN BEING A DOORMAT.
I refuse to let myself fall back into the trap of being a doe-eyed princess looking for her Prince Charming — I’m over it. I used to be naive and I used to wish for my fairy tale ending until one too many penis pictures brought me back to earth. It’s a dog eat dog world out there when it comes to dating and I’m done getting taken down by being too weak. ***** mode is on and it’s here to stay… unless my unicorn finally falls from the sky in front of me. Agree here that the **** pics are pretty weak.........what kind of an idiot does that? However, I can't help but think feminism has had a huge hand in making men this way. We TOO don't really care anymore. It is YOU who wants to get married, not us.

10. I’VE LITERALLY RUN OUT OF CARE.
It’s not that I’m a complete ***** — I have a good side too, but I’m sick of giving it out freely to guys who end up walking all over me and taking advantage of my kindness. From now on, if you want me to put on pants and leave my apartment for you, you need to show me some real respect first. If you don’t, you’ll be meeting the ***** soon. I have zero care left. Bye. You won't be missed. If you ever emerge from your pity party, there are still guys left who have values, decency and will treat you well if YOU treat them well. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening for you.

Number 7 told me everything i needed to know about her. She is selfish and has no ability to improve her ****ty attitude and can't examine herself.

She gets ghosted bu 80% of men. There is only one reason a guy ghosts a woman. Bad behaviour/bad attitude.

She portrays a piss poor attitude, making her poor quality and undatable. Therefore the 80% she is complaining about are nexting her and she is blaming them for her behaviour.

 

[That_dude]

Number 7 told me everything i needed to know about her. She is selfish and has no ability to improve her ****ty attitude and can't examine herself.

She gets ghosted bu 80% of men. There is only one reason a guy ghosts a woman. Bad behaviour/bad attitude.

She portrays a piss poor attitude, making her poor quality and undatable.

Exactly.. I won't get involved with controlling, jealous, insecure and scandalous women. They're a complete turn off. Doesn't matter if she has double DDs and a phat ass

 

[dude99]

Exactly.. I won't get involved with controlling, jealous, insecure and scandalous women. They're a complete turn off. Doesn't matter if she has double DDs and a phat ass

I have found a bad attitude can turn a HB 9 into a 5 real quick.

 

[guru1000]

I would encourage you men to surrender your "needs" and invest into "wants," and tailor your "wants" into that of the market's.

Did traditional relationships work to create stronger familial bonds and relations? Absolutely. But the LTR relation is no longer favored and with the inchoation of OLD--where hundreds of eligible prospects are available at the click of a mouse--the likelihood of a successful LTR with a "good" woman of equal SMV diminishes. I put "good" in quotes because when you truly understand the true nature of people, you would call very few "good."

Hey, don't get me wrong, I love LTRs. But instead of fighting against the social tide, I flow with with it. Remember gentlemen, be fluid ... like water. Water enters a glass, it becomes the glass. Water enters a vase, it becomes the vase (Bruce Lee). Tailor your wants to that of the market's, and you will live powerfully. If a unicorn from Disneyland did come along one day, great, I would paint her white with toothpaste and call her silly. But to live life in pursuit of a unicorn only serves women and their agendas, not yours.

 

[That_dude]

I would encourage you men to surrender your "needs" and invest into "wants," and tailor your "wants" into that of the market's.

Did traditional relationships work to create stronger familial bonds and relations? Absolutely. But the LTR relation is no longer favored and with the inchoation of OLD--where hundreds of eligible prospects are available at the click of a mouse--the likelihood of a successful LTR with a "good" woman of equal SMV diminishes. I put "good" in quotes because when you truly understand the true nature of people, you would call very few "good."

Hey, don't get me wrong, I love LTRs. But instead of fighting against the social tide, I flow with with it. Remember gentlemen, be fluid ... like water. Water enters a glass, it becomes the glass. Water enters a vase, it becomes the vase (Bruce Lee). Tailor your wants to that of the market's, and you will live powerfully. If a unicorn from Disneyland did come along one day, great, I would paint her white with toothpaste and call her silly. But to live life in pursuit of a unicorn only serves women and their agendas, not yours.

Great post

 

[BeExcellent]

For something to last you must screen for character. One of my ex husband's best and longest tenured friends (who is also happily married more than 20 years) who is 6'4", handsome, successful and has raised 3 kids that are solid people with his wife has a great attitude about women. He always says:

Looks are great but looks are not what really counts. Doesn't matter how pretty she is. Someone, somewhere is sick of her shjt.

His wife is cute and petite, joyful and a delightful person. She has stuck by him through thick and thin and she adores him. He loves her very much and appreciates her loyalty. He also understands that her loyalty is tied directly to his value, even after 20+ years. Could he have found prettier? Yup. Better? Unlikely.

 

[BeTheChange]

I think some in this thread are partially missing the point. Simply suggesting we accept and embrace the new paradigm of short term relationships and the current market of slvts betrays an understanding that finding a partner to build a family with is a legitimate "need" in as much as sex or human interaction is.

Embracing the online world is not the answer. Out of all of my school, college, work and other friends and friends of friends I know of only one girl I would deem "high quality" who met her boyfriend online. And she only joined tinder, because like me at the time she was working 80 hour weeks. It just does not happen regularly enough to present as an avenue worth pursuing to snag anything other than cheap lays. Telling a man to go online is the equivalent of telling someone who's looking for a job and stable income to just play the lottery instead.

"Good" girls are out there. And by good I mean attractive, (reasonably) low partner count, and open to settling down with a decent guy before they hit the wall. But they are rare. Unless you are lucky enough to have a job that involves being around attractive women on a daily basis, then you will have to put in that time and effort. It will probably need to be a legitimate goal. And I don't think there is any shame in saying that. However I do think that a man should first focus on developing himself, which is why I would advocate younger men, like myself, delaying this pursuit in favour of other passions. Whereas some of the more mature men, who clearly feel they are ready to find a long term partner should be honest with themselves and take it as seriously as they would take any other goal or endeavour.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I would encourage you men to surrender your "needs" and invest into "wants," and tailor your "wants" into that of the market's.

Did traditional relationships work to create stronger familial bonds and relations? Absolutely. But the LTR relation is no longer favored and with the inchoation of OLD--where hundreds of eligible prospects are available at the click of a mouse--the likelihood of a successful LTR with a "good" woman of equal SMV diminishes. I put "good" in quotes because when you truly understand the true nature of people, you would call very few "good."

Hey, don't get me wrong, I love LTRs. But instead of fighting against the social tide, I flow with with it. Remember gentlemen, be fluid ... like water. Water enters a glass, it becomes the glass. Water enters a vase, it becomes the vase (Bruce Lee). Tailor your wants to that of the market's, and you will live powerfully. If a unicorn from Disneyland did come along one day, great, I would paint her white with toothpaste and call her silly. But to live life in pursuit of a unicorn only serves women and their agendas, not yours.

It is individualism that has eroded the romance/ culture/ the dance between the sexes that enabled LTRs.

People say adapt or die in the new 'emasculated' culture, where only individual values ideas reign. The other option is to educate yourself to the ideal, and then find an educated woman... or educate her.

It's the difference between realism and idealism. The fact is though, we are ideal beings, and all 'realisms' are actually the figments of our own imagination. And when the figment becomes collective we get ideology.