Can a BPD make you feel like you are the narcissist?

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There is a video kicking around YouTube answering this very question, I found it because I was worried I was BPD/Narc too. It turns out that if you need to ask the question, you probably have sufficient empathy and care that you don't have the disorder. This doesn't mean however that you can't have some bad traits.

Also, from what I've read, you pretty much have to be co-dependent to get with a BPD/Narc.
 

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There is a video kicking around YouTube answering this very question, I found it because I was worried I was BPD/Narc too. It turns out that if you need to ask the question, you probably have sufficient empathy and care that you don't have the disorder. This doesn't mean however that you can't have some bad traits.

Also, from what I've read, you pretty much have to be co-dependent to get with a BPD/Narc.
Not to get with one but to stay with one overlooking these abuses then yes a codependent..

Hundreds of videos on youtube..

Check out "the little shaman"......

Best out there.
 

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I did exactly that right before we left split up over a month ago I told her you are a narcissistic you know you are crazy right you know you are crazy you are literally crazy. I had enough of it one of the last messages she sent me said that I convinced her that she was crazy 2 years ago and cost her $400. For god sakes I watch somebody I loved and cared about suffer everyday with Manic episodes up and down the littlest thing happen and she would go to bed at 7 for the whole day or 5 for the whole day so I talked about maybe she should seek help so she translates that and blames me for convincing her she is crazy to go to a doctor when this f****** girl almost 30 years old will go to bed at 5:30 p.m. because Subway did not have the sub she wanted. But she blames me for convincing her that she's crazy when she told me for years that she can't handle stress that she has problems with anxiety stress and depression but it's my fault these girls or so ridiculous you cannot even make it up. They are mentally ill and you are in the Twilight Zone because they cannot understand it but blame you it's like being punked on a TV show just looking around to see who's playing this prank on you they are f****** insane in cruel to boot
That's crazy i haven't heard anything from her in a few days she's still over in DR I guess.. last I heard she messed up her knee because she was getting in a car and the driver thought she closed the door but it was the car behind her.. the guy she got in the car with was the guy that wanted to marry her.. still sounds fishy on all levels.. you go to your own country and still seem to be doing slutty things.
 

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I have been doing a lot of research and it seems like she definitely fits the narcissist, Histrionic traits, especially the love bombing, daddy and family issues (she hates everyone in her family pretty much) hypersexual, etc... But I loved the love bombing and the sex, lol.

Anyhow, one thing that doesn't fit is that she was very generous. She would do a lot of stuff for me, like when she wasn't working and living with me (ya I know, bad idea) she added all new kinds of stuff in my house, built little things all over, got me awesome concert tickets, etc... She would buy me some awesome dinners, buy my kids some clothes while shopping.

I actually am pretty bad at that, so that has me thinking that I may be a narcissist. When I go shopping I just go to the store with tunnel vision to get one thing and am out, I never really bother to think of what anyone else wants while I'm at the store, cause I don't browse, I'm in on a mission to get what needs to be gotten and I'm out.

However, the only thing that seemed a bit odd about the gifts she gave is that if I started asking for more consistent assistance with just every day life things (finances mostly, bills, saving up for her own car, doing her own laundry, washing her own dishes etc..) that I would immediately hear about all the gifts that she has given me and all the things that she has done for me, and it would pretty much throw me for a loop thinking "ya, that is true, you have done all of these things for me at the cost of your own savings" and then just let what ever I was saying slide.
 
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The love bombing and gifts are all a false facade, because deep down there is not much that's genuine to be had from or to be given with this kind of woman. They replace a shortage of emotional with the physical, and more than likely she was a mixture of more than one disorder, aka comorbid or common term cluster B.
The trap most men fall into is in making a false assumption that her physical acts are based on her 100% emotional investment. They are not, because there's usually not much below her surface…
 
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Had you ever felt the need to change your phone number??? This crap is crazy... she's in DR with her family right now for the past two weeks.. long story short she called me all happy.. the do you love me crap and all.. few bits of rage mixed in.. tells me she has a ex in DR that was trying to marry her blah blah.. I call one day rushed off the phone.. I see she got into a car accident with him he supposedly drove off because he thought she was in the car but the car behind was the one that shut the door.. so I call her about 4 days later asking if she was ok.. she said yeah and rushed me off the phone said she would call back.. of course she never did.. I told her don't bother..

She tried to say the reason she did not call back was she was driving a guy that got hurt he was bleeding blood lol of course she shows a picture of a seat with some blood on it of course no one was in the picture.. I told her that's the worst lie by far.. now by that time it took her over 24 hours just to respond back to the don't bother calling text.. she sends another not long ago saying that she's getting married something about how it's hard to swallow or some bs..

I'm really really thinking about changing my number.. it's going to suck ass as I work for ups and all the drivers have my number but I can't take this ****. No more
 

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Had you ever felt the need to change your phone number???

but I can't take this ****. No more
Can't blame you for doing that if you have to. Some phones and apps have blocking features though.
Mine is far enough removed that shes another mans problem now, but does not sound like yours is quite that distant yet.
 

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Had you ever felt the need to change your phone number??? This crap is crazy... she's in DR with her family right now for the past two weeks.. long story short she called me all happy.. the do you love me crap and all.. few bits of rage mixed in.. tells me she has a ex in DR that was trying to marry her blah blah.. I call one day rushed off the phone.. I see she got into a car accident with him he supposedly drove off because he thought she was in the car but the car behind was the one that shut the door.. so I call her about 4 days later asking if she was ok.. she said yeah and rushed me off the phone said she would call back.. of course she never did.. I told her don't bother..

She tried to say the reason she did not call back was she was driving a guy that got hurt he was bleeding blood lol of course she shows a picture of a seat with some blood on it of course no one was in the picture.. I told her that's the worst lie by far.. now by that time it took her over 24 hours just to respond back to the don't bother calling text.. she sends another not long ago saying that she's getting married something about how it's hard to swallow or some bs..

I'm really really thinking about changing my number.. it's going to suck ass as I work for ups and all the drivers have my number but I can't take this ****. No more
she's with her ex but calling you?
You dont need this trouble
 

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The love bombing and gifts are all a false facade, because deep down there is not much that's genuine to be had from or to be given with this kind of woman. They replace a shortage of emotional with the physical, and more than likely she was a mixture of more than one disorder, aka comorbid or common term cluster B.
The trap most men fall into is in making a false assumption that her physical acts are based on her 100% emotional investment. They are not, because there's usually not much below her surface…
I never got bombed with gifts or sex.. just desperate love... tell me how important i am and i am her future... i always just rolled my eyes and said not with you acting like this
 

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Can't blame you for doing that if you have to. Some phones and apps have blocking features though.
Mine is far enough removed that shes another mans problem now, but does not sound like yours is quite that distant yet.
The funny thing is I told my friends I have a hard feeling she's not going to be that easy to get away from.. I can see that starting now
 

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Yep I bet her family don't know the whole back story.. sadly I'm not fluent in Spanish otherwise boy would I have a story to tell them!
Why still talk to her?. This is just driving you mad inside? Like torture
 

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I got the gifts, the love bombing and sex just about anytime I wanted it. Not knowing what I know now, the gifts were given because she is unable to offer any type of emotional bond. That is her way of saying I love you/I need you. Taking me out to a $400 dinner $200 hotel for my birthday, $500 in xmas gifts. Hell, she bought me all kinds of stuff. It thru me off big time as I was so brainwashed at to see her and her actions for what they really meant. My friends were telling me they never ever had a girl do something like that for them, so to me, I thought I hit the lotto, hot gf who love bombs me, kinky sex, gifts, spends 95% of her time with me. Its like everything they do has ulterior motives behind them. They use gifts or sex as currency at times, that when you ask them for something./favor they use a gift or a certain thing they did for you against you.

When I caught her lying or needed to confront her about her behavior she would give me a ******* or spread her legs to avoid confrontation to talk about it. I loved BJ's so much she knew she could get away with almost anything by just giving me one or spreading her legs. She spoiled me so much with sex/gifts and loving bombing that no other relationship will satisfy, as I will always compare everything to her. Birthdays and Christmas's will never be able to be compare. My bday and xmas after she moved were the most depressing times of my life, I spent them crying wishing things didn't end up the way they did. She made them everything I dreamed of that nothing will ever compare. Fukn hate her for that!!

Some of them go to these extreme with gifts, sex and love bombing on purpose cause they know that it will leave a permanent mark. They want you to look back and know no other girl did that, no other girl can compare to her, that you will always be thinking about her on those special holidays. It kinda leaves you super depressed, part of you wants all that back even tho she treated you like dog sh!t.
 

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I got the gifts, the love bombing and sex just about anytime I wanted it. Not knowing what I know now, the gifts were given because she is unable to offer any type of emotional bond. That is her way of saying I love you/I need you. Taking me out to a $400 dinner $200 hotel for my birthday, $500 in xmas gifts. Hell, she bought me all kinds of stuff. It thru me off big time as I was so brainwashed at to see her and her actions for what they really meant. My friends were telling me they never ever had a girl do something like that for them, so to me, I thought I hit the lotto, hot gf who love bombs me, kinky sex, gifts, spends 95% of her time with me. Its like everything they do has ulterior motives behind them. They use gifts or sex as currency at times, that when you ask them for something./favor they use a gift or a certain thing they did for you against you.

When I caught her lying or needed to confront her about her behavior she would give me a ******* or spread her legs to avoid confrontation to talk about it. I loved BJ's so much she knew she could get away with almost anything by just giving me one or spreading her legs. She spoiled me so much with sex/gifts and loving bombing that no other relationship will satisfy, as I will always compare everything to her. Birthdays and Christmas's will never be able to be compare. My bday and xmas after she moved were the most depressing times of my life, I spent them crying wishing things didn't end up the way they did. She made them everything I dreamed of that nothing will ever compare. Fukn hate her for that!!

Some of them go to these extreme with gifts, sex and love bombing on purpose cause they know that it will leave a permanent mark. They want you to look back and know no other girl did that, no other girl can compare to her, that you will always be thinking about her on those special holidays. It kinda leaves you super depressed, part of you wants all that back even tho she treated you like dog sh!t.
I guess they are all different. Mine never bought me gifts...
Instead of talking she would just leave or get off the phone.. terrible communicator.. more spoiled and controlling...
tho fucjked in the head for.sure..

Sex is great but once you bang 20-30 girls then u no longer let it control you..
I'd much rather have a long lasting bond with one woman for life.
 

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I got the gifts, the love bombing and sex just about anytime I wanted it. Not knowing what I know now, the gifts were given because she is unable to offer any type of emotional bond. That is her way of saying I love you/I need you. Taking me out to a $400 dinner $200 hotel for my birthday, $500 in xmas gifts. Hell, she bought me all kinds of stuff. It thru me off big time as I was so brainwashed at to see her and her actions for what they really meant. My friends were telling me they never ever had a girl do something like that for them, so to me, I thought I hit the lotto, hot gf who love bombs me, kinky sex, gifts, spends 95% of her time with me. Its like everything they do has ulterior motives behind them. They use gifts or sex as currency at times, that when you ask them for something./favor they use a gift or a certain thing they did for you against you.

When I caught her lying or needed to confront her about her behavior she would give me a ******* or spread her legs to avoid confrontation to talk about it. I loved BJ's so much she knew she could get away with almost anything by just giving me one or spreading her legs. She spoiled me so much with sex/gifts and loving bombing that no other relationship will satisfy, as I will always compare everything to her. Birthdays and Christmas's will never be able to be compare. My bday and xmas after she moved were the most depressing times of my life, I spent them crying wishing things didn't end up the way they did. She made them everything I dreamed of that nothing will ever compare. Fukn hate her for that!!

Some of them go to these extreme with gifts, sex and love bombing on purpose cause they know that it will leave a permanent mark. They want you to look back and know no other girl did that, no other girl can compare to her, that you will always be thinking about her on those special holidays. It kinda leaves you super depressed, part of you wants all that back even tho she treated you like dog sh!t.
Mine would remind me every now and then that "what girl would do this" and that kinda like pushing it in your face so you wont forget.
 

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Ironically, after enough time has elapsed you'll realize that all the bad things you thought about yourself are actually things she was or was doing to you. It's so bizarre because in the immediate aftermath of these relationships it's almost impossible to realize this because of the projection of blame and gaslighting: they're INCREDIBLY effective at that sh*t.
 

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Ironically, after enough time has elapsed you'll realize that all the bad things you thought about yourself are actually things she was or was doing to you. It's so bizarre because in the immediate aftermath of these relationships it's almost impossible to realize this because of the projection of blame and gaslighting: they're INCREDIBLY effective at that sh*t.
You are right about that.. I had a look at my ex's instangram page on Sunday I kept saying to myself how in the hell did I get caught up in this?? I had to laugh when I saw her with a black widow shirt on kinda like how she get's her pray... pretty much ALL of her pictures where her doing the following:

1. showing wads of money saying shes gotta make this money..
2. showing herself in just a bra and underwear saying shes working on her body and the hords of guys leaving messages...
3. her now saying she wants a threesome with a girl who likes guys as well..

Having been with her and seeing what she does I can say she's a low functioning one.. she never keeps a job long maybe 6 months to a year and off to another.. between those jobs she uses the guy she is with for money so she always has income coming in.. God I still remembers those texts she would send when you knew she was going to ask for money.. they make me cringe..
 

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Jesus, so I just got done with a LTR with a Histrionic in which I was king for two years, and then it all went to hell quick after that. Just so much drama and fighting. By the way, I was not aware of Cluster B's so I got swept away by her treating me like a King. The thing is all the fights were about the boundaries that I had set up way early in the relationships and enforced, which were cool for the first two years, but the last year it was nothing but constant barrages trying to force herself through my boundaries. Every time I enforced my rules she would then accuse me of being a self centered ******* who cares about nothing but myself... and this actually started to get me thinking that I might be a self centered *******. Anyhow, the drama and the attacks on the boundaries got to be too much, and I just flipped out, lost my cool, we got into a super heated argument (I was not nice) and I kicked her out because it was too much. Now she is of course on a smear campaign all over social media talking about how I am the biggest, uncaring, narcisisstic ******* that has every walked this planet. Anyhow, did anyone else come out of the relationship and think the same thing I am thinking, about thinking that they just might be a little narcissistic too?

I know she was a Histrionic because her traits were....
1.) She was and is the victim to everything that has ever gone wrong in her life.
2.) Had horrible relationship with her family. Father and mother issues galore, her brother was the golden child, she was neglected etc...
3.) She threw it on me on the first date, but I overlooked that because this girl was about as fine as they come and I welcomed it.
4.) Super freak in bed, like anything went. Stuff that I didn't even want to do. Loved to be choked, and I mean like crazy hard. Told her I would never do that again. Domination to the extreme
5.) Typical facebook *****, cleavage shot, anything to fish for comliments.
6.) All of the men in her previous relationships were complete scum of the earch, narcisisstic *******. Matter of fact, she pretty much badmouthed everyone, even her friends..
7.) Highly emotional about everything, said she wears her heart on her sleeve.
8.) Every small anything was a crisis, almost like everything was in crisis mode.

List goes on and on, but all the serious ones did not show up for about two years.

Anyways, I know I completely messed up with this one, as all the flags were there, but I guess being king of this girls world had me overlooking it. Yes, I take the blame for all of it because I should have avoided it in the first place, but now I feel like I might be messed up because now I do feel like I am a narcissist and may have narcissistic traits which I originally thought were just enforcing my boundaries. People have said I am stubborn. Easiest thing I can say is I feel completely mindf*cked. I have also read that the reason a person might attract a narcisisst is because they might be messed up themselves.
You have a good attitude. 'The unexamined life is not worth living'. We can all do with improvement. I guess the narcissist would delude themselves into thinking they were perfect and in need of no improvement.
 

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I got the gifts, the love bombing and sex just about anytime I wanted it. Not knowing what I know now, the gifts were given because she is unable to offer any type of emotional bond. That is her way of saying I love you/I need you. Taking me out to a $400 dinner $200 hotel for my birthday, $500 in xmas gifts. Hell, she bought me all kinds of stuff. It thru me off big time as I was so brainwashed at to see her and her actions for what they really meant. My friends were telling me they never ever had a girl do something like that for them, so to me, I thought I hit the lotto, hot gf who love bombs me, kinky sex, gifts, spends 95% of her time with me. Its like everything they do has ulterior motives behind them. They use gifts or sex as currency at times, that when you ask them for something./favor they use a gift or a certain thing they did for you against you.

When I caught her lying or needed to confront her about her behavior she would give me a ******* or spread her legs to avoid confrontation to talk about it. I loved BJ's so much she knew she could get away with almost anything by just giving me one or spreading her legs. She spoiled me so much with sex/gifts and loving bombing that no other relationship will satisfy, as I will always compare everything to her. Birthdays and Christmas's will never be able to be compare. My bday and xmas after she moved were the most depressing times of my life, I spent them crying wishing things didn't end up the way they did. She made them everything I dreamed of that nothing will ever compare. Fukn hate her for that!!

Some of them go to these extreme with gifts, sex and love bombing on purpose cause they know that it will leave a permanent mark. They want you to look back and know no other girl did that, no other girl can compare to her, that you will always be thinking about her on those special holidays. It kinda leaves you super depressed, part of you wants all that back even tho she treated you like dog sh!t.

Thank you for all the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Stovepipe hit the nail on the head, that is exactly what my ex histrionic (my assumption) was like. She would purchase extraordinary gifts that no one will live up to , like at all. Even when she didn't have the money, she would go broke buying me this stuff. But, another thing is the love in the beginning, I mean we all have a honeymoon phase, make no mistake, but to be the king of someones world is the most extraordinary thing that one will ever experience. It is amazing, the compliments, gestures, gifts, hand written letters of how you are the most amazing man in the world, and the never ending sex..... which is good at first.

However, let me expand on the sex a little further. With the ex-wife, we always had sex, once every two to three days, and I never had a problem with him staying hard... yes I am going there, lol. And with this girl, in the beginning we were having sex every day, all the time, as I was caught up in the honeymoon period also. However, after about a year and a half, you know, I just wasn't wanting to have sex every single day (ya, I know, and this has me thinking I might be crazy too) because first, I just needed some recovery time, and second, it almost became a chore because sex with her was always a 1 hour to 2 hour event to make her orgasm. And she was a bit of a sex addict. So I found myself wanting sex less and less, and her wanting it more and more. It got to the point where it started messing with my head as I totally lost desire, but I would still do it because she wanted me too.

Ok, so on it went and it got to the point where my member just didn't want to co-operate either, and this really kind of wigged her out, and me too, it has never happened before. She was trying to be cool about it but then she would try what ever she could to get him hard again and I was laying there like (babe, this isn't going to work) and then she felt like a complete failure, asking why she no longer turns me on, what is wrong with her, etc... and I felt really bad about it, because this girl is finest woman I have been with. So now this was added on to the pressure of me losing my desire , and it was a mind-**** every time she wanted sex. Sometimes I was super turned on and we were good, but most of the time at the end I never looked forward to the sex because I knew that it would be a marathon (there never were quickies) and there was pressure for it every day, and if I didn't provide I felt like a failure, it was a vicious cycle that got worst and worst.

So I went to the doc to get blood work done to make sure that my testosterone wasn't low, or to see if anything else was wrong with me. Tests came back and he said that my test was really high for my age (40), like a dude in his 20s due to me having a steady workout schedule and healthy diet. He asked if I still get morning wood, and yup, I sure do. He said it is nothing physical and all mental. Also, she and I had different sex styles, she likes it super rough, being choked, and all that crazy stuff that I know you guys like (which she didn't expose for the first year), but that completely turns me off. She is my girl and in my mind the last thing I want to do is harm or choke a woman, like at all. I am more into love making, with a little kink here and there, ya I am pretty tame. It just throws off my timing when everything gets super aggressive and crazy.

Sooo... I guess my point here is.. am I the only one that was overwhelmed with sex, to the point where it was way too much and started messing with ones mind? Ya, I feel I am the weird one out for sure on this one. Also, I read that Narcissist will withdraw sex as a way to have control of the relationship. This also made me think I may be a narcissist, but the reason I had no desire for sex is because I knew it would take forever and it felt like a chore at that point, in no way was using it to control the relationship to my knowledge. Matter of fact, after we have broken up, I still have no desire for sex at all. It is the furthest thing from my mind now.
 
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