LTR are a major problem ( AFC )

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I don't know why but I dont have any problem at all to get laid, But once I get laid and we meet a couple times I start to get feelings.. It's weird and I'm starting to act completely delusional, Always looking at my phones to see if she texted me or whatever.. Starting to panic when she doesnt answer, VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY did I say VERY needy ? Chicks find that repulsive and my relationship always end because of that. The problem is not that bad when I'm with her, But when she's gone ( I mean when we are not together and she's home or at work or something like that ) I become an insecure ****ing freak, needy and clingy. I read the Bible, I know a lot about the DJ thing but when emotions get involved my brain become completely delusional, like asking 3 times in 45 minutes for a date. Like what the hell ? Its so cringy just typing this. It's even happening when I sleep with a woman 1 time only without even knowing her properly, I dont see any red flag, I ignore them and basically become a complete AFC scared of losing her and I'm losing attraction for other girls. I'm ****ed up badly, I was not like that before but I've been broken badly with women in the past and its like my needy clingy side is taking control because my subconscious thinks I'm never gonna get an LTR again. I act like a freaky AFC to keep her.. YOu guys would cringe a lot more if you would see what my text look like once I develop ''Emotions''

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In seriousness. Spin plates.

I get this too. I don't send anything remotely emotional but I tend to ask for commitment early if I like a girl and they run for the hills.

I hate the uncertainty of investing in women and being left alone.

Oh, as soon as I feel too needy, I find jacking it off immediately puts and end to that pretty quick. No shyt.
 

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Your behavior is unconsciously driven--likely prompted by feelings of abandonment as a child. Moreover, as your previous LTRs were failings due to your excessive neediness, with each breakup you reinforce the self-perpetuating fear that you are not LTR worthy, further exacerbating your neediness and future weak behavior.

You need to exact what I call "Conscious Directives":

Write down how many times you will call/text/initiate/meet a girl--among other non-needy behavioral patterns--and stick with these directives. In time, you will recondition/reprogram your brain, and internalize and perform these directives unconsciously.

The first step of the solution is recognizing the problem. The good news is you are already here. The next step is to execute.
 

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Like sticking to the texting rule of thumb, Not replying after 2 hours and letting her initiate, always take more time than her to reply .. if more than 45 minutes double up the time until 2 hours. I never call but I initiate way too much.. I'm always doubting if I'm gonna see her in the present week and this makes me crazy I NEED to plan a next date everytime and its driving me crazy... Is it better to not text at all ? What should I do.. Do I need to answer and make a conversation at least once a day or keeping it short and funny if I want an LTR. I dont really like the concept of plates because I feel like I need an emotional connection.. well.. I need advice with this one
 

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I'm not fond of rules, but you are operating from a place of lack and psychological deficiency, so conscious rules can modify your behavior, once practiced and internalized. Perhaps, start with a simple rule that you will not invest into her more than she has invested into you whether that be calls/texts/time/etc. Mirror her. This rule alone will help control your neediness and is a healthy guideline to carry into an LTR.

To add: In the courting phase (that is before sex), you initiate once between dates to set up the date until the date. Following sex, mirror her.
 
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Solution is to be dating and talking with many women at the same time. The more options you have available, the less any one of them is worth to you.
 

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Solution is to be dating and talking with many women at the same time. The more options you have available, the less any one of them is worth to you.
I know the concept and I'm doing it but the effect is not the same as expected, as soon as I catch feelings for one more than the others, I forget about the others. I know I should dump her if I dont want to catch feelings but I do want an LTR
 

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I know the concept and I'm doing it but the effect is not the same as expected, as soon as I catch feelings for one more than the others, I forget about the others. I know I should dump her if I dont want to catch feelings but I do want an LTR
No...keep dating the others, you have to go against your instincts on this one. It's tough but you have to do it
 

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And what to expect from this if I do want a real relationship ?
It isn't your job to push for a relationship it's the woman's job. You are supposed to be off doing your thing dating multiple women and she is supposed to be plotting on how to get you locked down.

What would you think if a wild animal went into a cage and then locked the door behind itself? Obviously is wasn't what you expected...which would be the same reaction and disappointment she would have if you eagerly give yourself to her.

A woman wants a man who has a lot of options and still chooses her, not a man who quickly chooses her because he has no other options.
 

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It isn't your job to push for a relationship it's the woman's job. You are supposed to be off doing your thing dating multiple women and she is supposed to be plotting on how to get you locked down.

What would you think if a wild animal went into a cage and then locked the door behind itself? Obviously is wasn't what you expected...which would be the same reaction and disappointment she would have if you eagerly give yourself to her.

A woman wants a man who has a lot of options and still chooses her, not a man who quickly chooses her because he has no other options.
Man that makes a lot of sense so even if my gut is saying ''no'' I keep dating multiple women to give less attention to her until she proves me that she's really gf material
 

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If you want an LTR, I think you need to strike a balance between what your instincts are telling you and what you think you should do... aka DJ policy. You want to be restraining your emotions, controlling them, not completely repressing them. Look for the 'goldilocks zone', not too hot... not too cold... just right.
 

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I don't know why but I dont have any problem at all to get laid, But once I get laid and we meet a couple times I start to get feelings.. It's weird and I'm starting to act completely delusional, Always looking at my phones to see if she texted me or whatever.. Starting to panic when she doesnt answer, VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY did I say VERY needy ? Chicks find that repulsive and my relationship always end because of that.
This doesn't make sense.

If you can get laid very easily, why would a chick "end a relationship with you" because of a few texts?
She would continue to get laid by you and then have the relationship with the other guy.

You can't be that smooth in the initial meeting that the girl wants to off your clothes in 5 minutes of meeting you, and then that bad in the next that she says go to hell.

Something is not adding up...
 

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I can relate to this. I don't have it figured out yet, but here are my thoughts.

It comes down to your inner game. What are your true core beliefs about women in your life.

You've got to get to the point where you realize that everything you get from women in terms of happiness and fulfillment is temporary. They CANNOT bring your life everlasting happiness or contenment. They simply can't. No way, no how. I don't care how perfect you are or how valuable you are to women, they all will eventually disappointment if you're looking for your identity or a way to enjoy or be at peace with life through them.

Up until I was about 19-20 years old, EVERYTHING I did was geared towards this future I had always envisioned for myself: A good job, a wife and some kids. To me that was what life was all about. So everything I did was aimed towards creating that reality for myself. There wasn't much ambition, risk taking, creativity, imagination, or real pleasure in my life. I just wanted a girl to like me, to care about me. I wanted a girl who I could be MYSELF with. I didn't want to have to put on an act. I wanted that gooey, warm "It's all going to work out just fine" feeling and I was looking for it in women. I was trying to recreate that warm feeling I had around my Mom and Dad as a kid. You know that feeling, that feeling of being able to just relax and not care and basically receive love and care without having to put out any effort.

But I've come to find out that this is impossible to do through women. You literally can't do it. No matter how perfect or valuable you are to a woman, they will all disspointment you in some way if you try to find your identity, peace of mind, happiness or purpose in life through them. Doing otherwise causes guys to settle for things in life they wouldn't otherwise because they can always fall back on that warm, gooey feeling of finding true love some day, finding some woman who will love them forever, without question always. Your expectations of them, and people both men and women in general, are too high if you expect other people to fill that void for you. They cannot do it. As men, we have to have a firm foundation for our life. A career you're truly interested in, a hobby or two you really like, an overall meaning to your life that will always be your rock.

Once you have that, and once you truly see women for what they are, all this nervousness and insecurity about holding and maintaining an LTR will be gone. The guys who do the best with women and who, ironically, are able to maintain long term, fulfilling relationships with women are those who truly are OK with the fact that she could be gone at any moment. This doesn't mean they don't love her, care for her and do nice things for her, it just means that she is not his rock in life. She is not his foundation. Women SAY they want that from a man. "I want to be his everything". But the fact of the matter is that this is not a natural state for a woman OR a man. A woman wants to HELP a man on his mission in life. She wants to make him better. He in turn wants to care for her and protect her.

^Notice how different that dynamic is from A-LOT of relationships you see today? That's why guys f*ck up on first dates, become needy after sex, text too much, etc. You're looking for a meaning for your life within some woman who you barely know. You're looking for your identity within her and a purpose for yourself. Of course you're f*cking up when you think that's ALL on the line with these women. But it's not. And it will never be no matter how much you think it is. You can start living in reality and do the hard work necessary to build a strong foundation NOW or you can take the easy route, that millions of men before you and after you will, and throw your hopes and dreams into women and pray that it turns out OK. You've basically got a 50/50 shot.
 

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And what to expect from this if I do want a real relationship ?
You shouldn't seek relationships. You should seek to create romantic opportunities for sex to happen.

A relationship is simply a series of dates. Focus only on the dates themselves, never on the labels. Think of fun ideas and offer them opportunities to join you. For my last date idea I said "It's the last days of summer, let's go away to the nearest lake" and she was there. And because I have a job, I don't care whether she used me for the lake itself.

Eventually (2-4 months of dating) she will bring up the idea of exclusivity - not you.
 

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I don't know why but I dont have any problem at all to get laid, But once I get laid and we meet a couple times I start to get feelings.. It's weird and I'm starting to act completely delusional, Always looking at my phones to see if she texted me or whatever.. Starting to panic when she doesnt answer, VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY did I say VERY needy ? Chicks find that repulsive and my relationship always end because of that. The problem is not that bad when I'm with her, But when she's gone ( I mean when we are not together and she's home or at work or something like that ) I become an insecure ****ing freak, needy and clingy. I read the Bible, I know a lot about the DJ thing but when emotions get involved my brain become completely delusional, like asking 3 times in 45 minutes for a date. Like what the hell ? Its so cringy just typing this. It's even happening when I sleep with a woman 1 time only without even knowing her properly, I dont see any red flag, I ignore them and basically become a complete AFC scared of losing her and I'm losing attraction for other girls. I'm ****ed up badly, I was not like that before but I've been broken badly with women in the past and its like my needy clingy side is taking control because my subconscious thinks I'm never gonna get an LTR again. I act like a freaky AFC to keep her.. YOu guys would cringe a lot more if you would see what my text look like once I develop ''Emotions''

Any tip ?
You have some attachment or abandonment issues you need to deal with. Hey, we all have our own s*hit. I used to feel what your experiencing but have controlled it a lot better over the years due to working on myself, mainly my programming, and good old fashioned experience with women--they do the same F'ing thing even if they're spinning plates.

Resolve an Hour of Power (or more) everyday where do work on YOU. This should be a combination mental and physical. For example, Gym for an hour, then you watch a 20-minute Tony Robbins or Corey Wayne video while eating lunch, dinner or resting. I do this all the time. Much like a pro athlete, we need to work on ourselves everyday.
 

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You have some attachment or abandonment issues you need to deal with. Hey, we all have our own s*hit. I used to feel what your experiencing but have controlled it a lot better over the years due to working on myself, mainly my programming, and good old fashioned experience with women--they do the same F'ing thing even if they're spinning plates.

Resolve an Hour of Power (or more) everyday where do work on YOU. This should be a combination mental and physical. For example, Gym for an hour, then you watch a 20-minute Tony Robbins or Corey Wayne video while eating lunch, dinner or resting. I do this all the time. Much like a pro athlete, we need to work on ourselves everyday.
I'm already doing this with ss and I'm reading self improvement books + gym everyday
 

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This doesn't make sense.

If you can get laid very easily, why would a chick "end a relationship with you" because of a few texts?
She would continue to get laid by you and then have the relationship with the other guy.

You can't be that smooth in the initial meeting that the girl wants to off your clothes in 5 minutes of meeting you, and then that bad in the next that she says go to hell.

Something is not adding up...
Uhm.. Are you serious or what ? I dont know from where your assumption come from, every post from you is always negative and obvious trolling is obvious. You seem jealous or I dont know. Get out, please. Or read again because you're the only one here thinking this is non sense


EDIT : It's when I catch feelings that I become a complete AFC not before getting laid, I'm pratically always getting laid on first date and it's easy, at least for me but when I get laid I catch feelings and then I become an insecure beta so I'm not bragging or whatever, what is the problem of your jealousy here ? You cant get laid ?
 

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It isn't your job to push for a relationship it's the woman's job. You are supposed to be off doing your thing dating multiple women and she is supposed to be plotting on how to get you locked down.

What would you think if a wild animal went into a cage and then locked the door behind itself? Obviously is wasn't what you expected...which would be the same reaction and disappointment she would have if you eagerly give yourself to her.

A woman wants a man who has a lot of options and still chooses her, not a man who quickly chooses her because he has no other options.
So how many times should I wait until being exclusive ? Any good signs to notice when becoming exclusive ? I mean, they can be manipulative and hypocrit and be the perfect woman until you commit and then everythings fall appart
 
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