What's the one thing that disappoints you about this board (from a thread/posting pov)

[ChristopherColumbus]

Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters. Men who have worked hard on themselves to be physically fit, financially successful, good in bed, and attractive as hell to women are NOT going to put up with that kind of 5hit. After all that hard work, they're going to want a damn fine woman for a reward. They're not any.
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I think the day we believe this is a sad day. Even though the reality might be that the mass of women today behave badly [and so do the men], we still have the ideal in mind... and that there might be a few that rise toward this above the mass.

It's about hope [not delusion]. Without it, your life becomes impoverished.

 

[Desdinova]

Des I got great respect for you. you know that but most MGTOW I see are not "Winners"

My point was that both the men who have a good skill set for seducing women and the men who have no hope in hell of getting laid both end up in the same situation... They BOTH end up without a good woman by their side.

The strong men are the ones who are supposed to survive because they can go out and get laid. When the women are garbage and the legal system is stacked against them, the strong aren't going to bother surviving. That's a problem for the human race as a species. Instead, we have single moms and lesbians using artificial insemination to have babies because society has empowered them. This is not what "the strong shall survive" is supposed to mean! Society is a mess in the sense of reproduction.

Real men are finding it lonely at the top. Extreme beta men are lonely at the bottom. They both share that common bond which enforces MGTOW. The middle ground is undesirable because those men are slaves to women.

It's about hope [not delusion]. Without it, your life becomes impoverished.

...and it's not hard to lose hope. We're swimming in a sea of trash. In my opinion, it starts to become more about survival than hope.

 

[zekko]

...and it's not hard to lose hope. We're swimming in a sea of trash. In my opinion, it starts to become more about survival than hope.

Tenacity, is that you?

 

[Desdinova]

Tenacity, is that you?

I've always said that me and Tenacity have similar views on this subject. The difference between us is that I'm more interested in trying to find a solution that will work for me.

 

[zekko]

I've always said that me and Tenacity have similar views on this subject. The difference between us is that I'm more interested in trying to find a solution that will work for me.

I'm sure he's interested, but he seemed to have some inner issues holding him back, as most of us probably do.

The more I hear everybody ranting about today's trashy women, the more I think I'm better off in my LTR.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I hear everybody ranting about today's trashy women.

That's another mass misconception of sosuave. It's not that women are trashy. People are trashy. The failings of women are one half of the story of the failing of humankind. But you only see it in one gender, because that is who you are trying to date. Women do the same thing, thinking men are this way or that way, but it's people, not men.

Humans will always disappoint you. But neither gender deserves a greater share of the blame.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

That's another mass misconception of sosuave. It's not that women are trashy. People are trashy. The failings of women are one half of the story of the failing of humankind. But you only see it in one gender, because that is who you are trying to date. Women do the same thing, thinking men are this way or that way, but it's people, not men.

Humans will always disappoint you. But neither gender deserves a greater share of the blame.

Yep, we live in a decadent age.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

That's another mass misconception of sosuave. It's not that women are trashy. People are trashy. The failings of women are one half of the story of the failing of humankind. But you only see it in one gender, because that is who you are trying to date. Women do the same thing, thinking men are this way or that way, but it's people, not men.

Humans will always disappoint you. But neither gender deserves a greater share of the blame.

Okay so males are just as bad as females... I suppose that realization could change the way I think.

But how does knowing that help me get laid? So it's not FEMALES that are bad, it's just PEOPLE. Does this include me? Well I am pretty selfish, but aren't I expected to be? Isn't that normal human behavior?

Prior to feminism.... people lived in families that were probably Christian and they were all repressed. That's not something I would want, either.

I feel like I am on the verge of finding some way to win this game. Other than just paying prostitutes. But maybe "winning" doesn't exist.

 

[Von]

My issues with this forum:

TOO MUCH RANT ABOUT THE MARKET, not enough discussion about self-improvements and understanding concepts (why this work and that don't or why I can't last 5 minutes half of the time but the other half its 1 hour)
Always the same troll
Get repetitive

What I love:
I can replace Facebook with this
I can have dating view points and exchange on topics and concepts with some added value poster here
Quite active

To clarifiy active: When I joined Sosuave, I also joined a PUA forum.... that PUA forum WAS DEAD.... like 4 posters takes weeks for replying etc... but they had strong post about Texting techniques which improved my game.... I would love to see that her more often (technique: What to say, What to right etc...improvement stuff)

 

[SteR]

Real men are finding it lonely at the top. Extreme beta men are lonely at the bottom. They both share that common bond which enforces MGTOW. The middle ground is undesirable because those men are slaves to women.

I don't buy this.. who are these "real men"? Like @Solomon mentioned earlier in this thread, the guys that seem to be going MGTOW are typically losers. You can understand immediately from watching/interacting with them why they're in that position. I mean don't get me wrong, I get it: They're angry and frustrated by the rejection. But they seem to completely lack self-awareness and an ability to see themselves for how they truly come across.

I've seen countless examples in real life of decent people getting together and being happy. There's far too much negativity on these boards.

 

[Trump]

People who impose their statements and thoughts rather than logically explain them.

"You do THIS, you will get the hot girl."
"It's all about social proof."
"It's all about money."
"It's all about her emotions."
"It's all about clothes."
"It's all about your job."
"It's all about how you make them feel."
"I've slept with over 20 women, its so easy."
"It's hard for me to explain to you."
"Just take my word for it."
"I don't have to time to dig deep, it's the way it is."
"PUA are for fools"
"This forum is for fools."
"All women are worthless."
"All men are suckers for sex."
"Texting is for suckers"
"Phone calls are for suckers."
"Dating for suckers"
"LA sucks for dating."
"Houston Sucks for dating"
San Francisco Sucks for dating."
"North American women suck."
"Men shouldn't want sex."
"Women control the frame"
"I'm glad some of you guys understand."

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I don't buy this.. who are these "real men"? Like @Solomon mentioned earlier in this thread, the guys that seem to be going MGTOW are typically losers. You can understand immediately from watching/interacting with them why they're in that position. I mean don't get me wrong, I get it: They're angry and frustrated by the rejection. But they seem to completely lack self-awareness and an ability to see themselves for how they truly come across.

I've seen countless examples in real life of decent people getting together and being happy. There's far too much negativity on these boards.

MGTOW is not anger at rejection.

It's anger at ALIMONY!!!

Why are people not getting this?

 

[Solomon]

MGTOW is not anger at rejection.

It's anger at ALIMONY!!!

Why are people not getting this?

Because you have MGTOW who are being disingenious by telling young men to "Join" the hell does a 19 year old college kid gotta worry about alimony for?

19 year old awkward college kid who can't talk to girls goes MGTOW cause he not getting laid, I have seen this

 

[Desdinova]

MGTOW is not anger at rejection.

It's anger at ALIMONY!!!

Why are people not getting this?

MGTOW started out as frustration toward how society favours women more than men, and how women are against being the feminine creature that men enjoy. The book "Men on Strike" highlights pretty much everything that started MGTOW. It's not just alimony, but men being forced to pay child support for a child that isn't his, along with not having any rights to have visitation with the child. These are men who DID and CAN get laid, and have suffered for it greatly. The losers who can't get laid came afterwards.

 

[Erik VL]

There are so many more guys, the quality of poster was something unheard of, even in the mature men's section. SO what happened? the board became more and more toxic. The good posters left. I myself by 2010 would leave 6 months at a time. By 2013 The site had compeletley changed

All the guys who knew their shyt left, and all of a sudden these "MGTOW 4 life" guys came around, a website that use to be about self-improvement and seduction now became a playground for guys to cry, be bitter and moan about the type of girls they couldn't get it

Yes. I posted here long ago but I have forgotten the password and email for that account. But even then the MGTOW nonsense was becoming strong. Now it seems to be everywhere here. Maybe because the mgtow com forum closed down?

This is very different from manosphere blogs. Why? Because the blogger sets the tone for the conversation, and he becomes a well-read blogger only by knowing his stuff, which means he won't be an MGTOW creature, and will smack them down when necessary.

A forum on the other hand lets every loser feel like a king by seeing his words become a thread. Many just love making threads about pretty much anything, even if it has been discussed a thousand times. And they love taking a dump over any good thread. They love being cynical because they think that sounds smart - they're "in the know" while others are naive, they imagine. It justifies their loneliness. And there is no leading voice to shame them and educate them.

As for those who justify their bitterness by talking about alimony - what luck for you that you live in the U.S. If you lived in a country where you couldn't use that excuse for hating women, then what would you do?

 

[devilkingx2]

I'd say the lack of actual depth.

I made a post about self acceptance and self love and got one reply while a post about a guy wanting to date a borderline personality chick has like six pages of nonsense.

I left this board for months because of things like this. While this is way better than a pick up forum and there are members here want to explore things, the bro mentality is too well alive and it's scary how little anyone truly wants to dive deep here.

Controversy is the way to get views and replies, it's a universal law of the internet. If you post something everyone agrees with nobody will feel the need to post

 

[AJ84]

MGTOW started out as frustration toward how society favours women more than men, and how women are against being the feminine creature that men enjoy. The book "Men on Strike" highlights pretty much everything that started MGTOW. It's not just alimony, but men being forced to pay child support for a child that isn't his, along with not having any rights to have visitation with the child. These are men who DID and CAN get laid, and have suffered for it greatly. The losers who can't get laid came afterwards.

They need to then start pulling out those weeds beause there are too many of those losers propping up on various sites, redirecting attention away from issues that need to be addressed like what you described above, to spread bitterness, which helps no one.

 

[ubercat]

The MGTOW s r just redpill guys who got stuck at the anger phase. I'm not fussed that other guys don't get laid the Immortal words of Blackadder more rumpy for me.

Three things give me the sh1ts here

Guys who have no sense of community. I remember a thread in health and fitness where Marmel 75 gave pages of great advice on nutrition and workout techniques that was specifically tailored to this guys situation and there was no repping or thank you. Same thing for the juvenile flamewars they just mess up the threads and any good discussion is lost.

The second thing Guys who always keep up this fake Alpha front. Progress is never a straight line. You're going to screw up and you're going to have dark days when nothing works. There's a few of the senior members you seem to think its unmanly to ever show weakness. Well I call bull**** on that. The point of the forum is to share advice and learn from the group mind.

The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation

Thirdly this idea that any tactical advice is over analysing. Everybody has their individual sticking points and level of understanding. Because the guy posts a detailed interaction with some girl it doesn't mean that he's got automatic oneitis. It could be a pattern he's noticed or maybe he's trying something new out.

I used to do that with online dating profiles all the time. If I'm ever on the market again I might try out some of Guru 1000s dominance game just for s***s and giggles. It will probably end horribly because I'm not a Millionaire and it's not congruent but who cares. At my age when I've had more ass than a public toilet seat self amusement is just as valuable as puss

 

[dustmuffin]

I think a lot of it has to do with new people starting accounts and immediately start asking for advice on how to talk to a girl, how to get a girl back, what to say in an approach, when to approach a girl etc.

I feel like if there was a probationary period where you had to wait 2 months from the moment you created your account to start posting, that would be beneficial haha.

Then you could observe, and find out this board is essentially about one message: improving yourself to be the best person you can possibly be, and the women will follow.

I like that fact that you can post immediately. I came in here a mess. I needed help badly. I didn't have time to wait two months to post.
This place has helped me immensely.

I am getting laid on a regular basis and have finally got my head on straight. I still have many more improvements to make. Anyway....I just take what I can use from the forum and ignore the rest. Getting in a fight on the internet with a stranger is a waste of time.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

The place has become a circle jerk for women-hating, low value men, which is why many others are staying away at the moment.

This, it has to be said must at least in part down to the attitudes and behaviors of the moderating staff and/or owners. The ban-hammer comes down pretty hard and swift on those members calling each other petty names, but it rarely if ever happens if one of the emotards does the same about the entire species of women.

Two such instances are highlighted below on the first page, alone.




If name-calling isn't tolerated between members, then maybe it shouldn't be tolerated whatsoever; we can only otherwise assume hypocrisy. It is absolutely indicative of the quality of the men here and the content. There doesn't need to be twenty fcking posts a week about the nature of women. We KNOW what women are like. One pinned post about female behaviour for guys to let off steam would suffice, and the rest can be deleted or referred to that pinned thread.

This is no longer a place where men can come to learn about how to attract and seduce women. It's a dumping ground for entitled, rank average crybabies, who are so drained of testosterone from chronic masturbation, the only motivation they can muster is to log in to SS and have a cry about women aren't attracted to entitled, rank average, crybaby, chronic masturbators.

The moderators and or owners would do well to look at this issue very carefully because many great posters are now MIA. The quality of the input and material here has been on a steady decline for the last few months, if not year and frankly, at the moment, is extremely poor. This forum is slowly, very slowly, sinking in to obscurity. Which is sad really.