Online Woman Are Immoral Scum Bags!!

[mrgoodstuff]

It's not that they're "bad" per se...

It's just that it's really SIMPLE so they're not AMAZING like they think they are.

You can hear girls say things like "my pu$$y is so good".... What does that even mean? And is that the nonsense that goes on in their head and inflates their ego.

I recently heard a Rihanna song at a strip club that says "sex with me is amazing." Is it really? Are you sure you're not exaggerating, Rihanna? Isn't it just the same as with anyone else?

In fact, I would say it's more up to the guy to be good.

Rihanna likely a starfish

 

[Trump]

Soulforge,

The problem isn't that women are scumbags. The problem is never women. The problem is: YOU.
Can you handle a woman? Can you get a woman chasing you? Can you get a woman to open her legs for you within two hours of the date? Can you close the deal with her quickly? If you can---then you can handle a woman with ease. An expert in female psychology.
If you can't handle a woman then you need to work on your self-worth and build up your emotional and mental strength to handle them.

Provided the women is: single, available, little baggage, and looking for a date.

Big deal that you got 4 phone numbers and that you have physical muscle. That will not get you laid. Some regular dude will be pounding her in the bathroom that night after she gives you her phone number. What is more important? Sex close or number close? I will let you decide.

You say what will not get you laid, but you don't say what will get you laid.

BOYS NEED SEX BADLY. They will do whatever it takes to get laid. Lift weights, look good, smell good, wear the best clothes. All needy behaviors towards a woman.

Well of course. They have to sell themselves. How is being in shape and dressing well and looking good considered "needy behaviour?"

A boy gets needy, desperate, jumps through hoops, jumps when she says "jump!", Showering, shaving, getting dressed and preparing for the date because you both agreed on a time/place is in itself BEING NEEDY. Stop doing that. Only boys do that. Your frame should be ---"I don't feel like meeting this nasty ho tonight."
You see when boys need sex--they get flaked on, they get cancelled on, they get handed lame excuses, their car breaks down, yadda, yadda, yadda, they get mistreated by women, their penis gets no action, they get strung along------all because they need sex so bad. Then their ego gets bent and they have to get other phone numbers to show her I am worthy. Hence, you become like a frustrated boy with a broken toy.

Bro I don't know what the heck you are talking about here. Asking a girl out for coffee is considering "needy and desperate and following orders?"

It's like you are really angry at girls because you making no sense here.

MEN NEVER NEED SEX. The more control over your penis the more you take away her power. Real men share their women with other men. They let her go free. A man lets his girl fvck other guys and it shouldn't bother him at all.

What? OK this has got to be a joke.

Sometimes I tell a girl to go out with another man to give myself a break. But if you are too insecure about doing that --- than tell her to go have fun with her girlfriends. It jolts women and they want you more. It is because you are a strong, secure man who doesn't need her or satisfies you.

Or she thinks you have gone crazy since you want her to have sex with another guy

In regards to dating? I never prepare myself before a date. Never.
Instead, I am lying on the couch in my shorts and tshirt when I am supposed to be meeting her at 7pm. I don't get my lazy self off the couch until she texts me and says.."I am here waiting for you where are you?" At that point I drag myself off the couch and drive to the bar to meet her with very little effort and investment. I show up 20 minutes late and tell her traffic was bad or say I got lost. After about an hour, I am banging her in my car.
So much for not caring about her time or looking my best when I show up. Nor do I care what she thinks of me.

What's with these posters now coming in and saying: dress sloppily, don't take care of yourself, be a slob, watch tv, dont have a job, don't give a damn, treat her crap, spit in her face, hit her in the mouth, and she will be begging to have sex with you.

We have lost our way...

Forget about building muscles to attract woman -- that's a waste of time and effort. Build muscles for fitness not to impress women. If you want to get laid like a rockstar you need to workout your emotional muscles instead. Everything you have been taught about women - must look handsome, must build muscles, must be a good guy rarely gets you laid--especially if you don't have the emotional strength to back it up.

I don't know about that bro. Emotional strength means nothing if you don't look appealing.

Its your emotional and mental strength that produces the most amazing results with women. Be deeply secure within yourself. Never let them push you off center. If she cancels a date it shouldn't faze you at all. Don't even respond to it. Would it matter if she cancelled if you had two other dates that night? You should be happy she bailed.

It depends on WHO the girl is and WHAT she looked like. Single mother cancels? Happy. Young Hollywood star cancels? Not so much.

You are fooling yourself if a Hollywood Star cancelled on you and you wouldn't care.

You must have the emotional and mental strength that you are VERY WORTHY and that you ABSOLUTELY DO NO WANT HER and could care less.
It is about denying them d1ck, not being needy, walking out on them, cancelling dates, not caring, blowing them off, not being horny for her, not giving her any power. That is when her panties come off easily.

Yep we have turned a corner. Mantra of this site is now: treat her like crap and punch her in the face, that will turn her on and beg her to have sex with you.

I think we are watching too much porn in here.

For an experiment - stop lifting weights, dress sloppy, eat whatever you want, don't shave. Work on your inner strength, your inner happiness, learn to fall in love with all flaws. Get deeply secure in yourself, learn to laugh at rejection.
Learn to stop focusing on your outer appearance and focus deeply in your emotional strength. When you really let go and you no longer crave sex---- If you can do that -- you will have women lined up ready to fvck you anytime, anywhere.

Men don't do this. What women will look at you if you don't take care of yourself?

No longer crave sex? Half the guys in here, heck half there guys in North America, would give ANYTHING to have sex and be in a relationship with a young good looking girl.

But hey, work in your emotions and the women will faint at your presence.

Brutal.

 

[BeExcellent]

Female hypergamy.

See.. I can accept what women are and how women operate. I just hate when women themselves cannot accept it.

That's what I meant when I said something was fishy. I was setting out to PROVE that you are not unique among women. And there is nothing wrong with that.




No man will tell a woman she sucks in bed out of fear she will stop f*cking him lol.

Not hypergamy at all.

Would you stay with a woman who got fat & lazy & decided to live like a slob? After she appeared to be just the opposite?

Of course not. Furthermore you wouldn't respect yourself if it was you in that situation & you wouldn't respect another man who allowed that.

I did the self respecting thing. Because I'm female you label it hypergamy. I did what any self respecting person would do, man or woman. You would do the same yourself you hypergamous dude, lol!

I am unique in many ways, hence why I am sought after.

No man will tell a woman she's bad in bed IF he wants to keep sleeping with her. Even if she is bad he may never tell her even if he ghosts. If she's terrible AND the guy has options (the men I date do) he just won't stay in touch. He instead will avail himself to his other sexual options.

I know the men I go out with might have other plates they sleep with. They still are interested in getting to know me even if they are not getting sex. I am confident about what I have to offer. I am very pretty & very sexy but there are more beautiful women. There are very few BETTER women from a total package perspective. I know this, so it doesn't bother me. Men have needs. I understand that very well. Let other women get neurotic & needy & clingy. I have inner game & don't worry or melt down.

When men are still wanting a woman back years later, decades later...and the men have had lots of sexual experience since? That means the girl was VERY memorable, lol.

Being a great lover is about being a giver in bed. It's about creating an amazing experience for your lover and also about being communicative about your own needs. Too many people are too selfish and/or too "know it all" to be good in bed. From what I know myself & what I hear from both male & female people I know...good lovers are hard to find.

I don't think you can be a great lover to someone without knowing your partner well. Another reason I wait before getting sexual.

 

[Urbanyst]

Not hypergamy at all.

Would you stay with a woman who got fat & lazy & decided to live like a slob? After she appeared to be just the opposite?

Of course not. Furthermore you wouldn't respect yourself if it was you in that situation & you wouldn't respect another man who allowed that.

I did the self respecting thing. Because I'm female you label it hypergamy. I did what any self respecting person would do, man or woman. You would do the same yourself you hypergamous dude, lol!

I am unique in many ways, hence why I am sought after.

No man will tell a woman she's bad in bed IF he wants to keep sleeping with her. Even if she is bad he may never tell her even if he ghosts. If she's terrible AND the guy has options (the men I date do) he just won't stay in touch. He instead will avail himself to his other sexual options.

I know the men I go out with might have other plates they sleep with. They still are interested in getting to know me even if they are not getting sex. I am confident about what I have to offer. I am very pretty & very sexy but there are more beautiful women. There are very few BETTER women from a total package perspective. I know this, so it doesn't bother me. Men have needs. I understand that very well. Let other women get neurotic & needy & clingy. I have inner game & don't worry or melt down.

When men are still wanting a woman back years later, decades later...and the men have had lots of sexual experience since? That means the girl was VERY memorable, lol.

Ok now we're getting somewhere. It seems your VALUE primarily comes from being low drama and able to appeal to a man's ego while also being hot for your age. That is rare indeed. Its kind of sad that most women can't even measure up to the basics of being a good partner. Its not even that hard.

Being a great lover is about being a giver in bed. It's about creating an amazing experience for your lover and also about being communicative about your own needs. Too many people are too selfish and/or too "know it all" to be good in bed. From what I know myself & what I hear from both male & female people I know...good lovers are hard to find.

I don't think you can be a great lover to someone without knowing your partner well. Another reason I wait before getting sexual.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[Josh Stiles]

There are a lot of beta males on this site who are angry and sexually frustrated.
Stop hating women and go get laid. I love women and they have been very good to me.

 

[Urbanyst]

There are a lot of beta males on this site who are angry and sexually frustrated.
Stop hating women and go get laid. I love women and they have been very good to me.

I'm sure this entire forum will transform now after your post lol.

 

[nismo-4]

Enter the judge.

Take it slow with online chicks, they like you to ignore them for a while before you offer to do anything for them.

Taking it slow is a great way to lose the race. What if Chad or Tyrone asks her out while you're taking it slow? Ignoring only works when they're interested. How will ignoring work when she has 17 other messages in her inbox?

Meeting up to chill at home, or in the car with them to smoke or drink is cool, but If u rush in for an actual date they'll think your a chump with no options.

If they don't like you or get a better offer from a better looking guy, they'll flake anyway. Move fast. You're either going forward or backward, and standing still is a form of going backward.

Women on OLD are validation seekers. I don't do anything with any of them until they've shown me consistent communication for at least a couple weeks or more.

2 weeks is too long a wait, and way too long for competition to beat you. You need to come in first place and stay in first place. Shoot first, ask questions later. Doing this will reveal the attention wh0res and time wasters. Block them. And if they flake, they're deleted. They flakes because you weren't in first place.

Read between the lines.

 

[Cambridge]

Online Woman Are Immoral Scum Bags!!

You lost me at immoral lol.

 

[Josh Stiles]

 

[LimaBean]

Soulforge,

The problem isn't that women are scumbags. The problem is never women. The problem is: YOU.
Can you handle a woman? Can you get a woman chasing you? Can you get a woman to open her legs for you within two hours of the date? Can you close the deal with her quickly? If you can---then you can handle a woman with ease. An expert in female psychology.
If you can't handle a woman then you need to work on your self-worth and build up your emotional and mental strength to handle them.

Big deal that you got 4 phone numbers and that you have physical muscle. That will not get you laid. Some regular dude will be pounding her in the bathroom that night after she gives you her phone number. What is more important? Sex close or number close? I will let you decide.

BOYS NEED SEX BADLY. They will do whatever it takes to get laid. Lift weights, look good, smell good, wear the best clothes. All needy behaviors towards a woman.
A boy gets needy, desperate, jumps through hoops, jumps when she says "jump!", Showering, shaving, getting dressed and preparing for the date because you both agreed on a time/place is in itself BEING NEEDY. Stop doing that. Only boys do that. Your frame should be ---"I don't feel like meeting this nasty ho tonight."
You see when boys need sex--they get flaked on, they get cancelled on, they get handed lame excuses, their car breaks down, yadda, yadda, yadda, they get mistreated by women, their penis gets no action, they get strung along------all because they need sex so bad. Then their ego gets bent and they have to get other phone numbers to show her I am worthy. Hence, you become like a frustrated boy with a broken toy.

MEN NEVER NEED SEX. The more control over your penis the more you take away her power. Real men share their women with other men. They let her go free. A man lets his girl fvck other guys and it shouldn't bother him at all.
Sometimes I tell a girl to go out with another man to give myself a break. But if you are too insecure about doing that --- than tell her to go have fun with her girlfriends. It jolts women and they want you more. It is because you are a strong, secure man who doesn't need her or satisfies you.
In regards to dating? I never prepare myself before a date. Never.
Instead, I am lying on the couch in my shorts and tshirt when I am supposed to be meeting her at 7pm. I don't get my lazy self off the couch until she texts me and says.."I am here waiting for you where are you?" At that point I drag myself off the couch and drive to the bar to meet her with very little effort and investment. I show up 20 minutes late and tell her traffic was bad or say I got lost. After about an hour, I am banging her in my car.
So much for not caring about her time or looking my best when I show up. Nor do I care what she thinks of me.

Forget about building muscles to attract woman -- that's a waste of time and effort. Build muscles for fitness not to impress women. If you want to get laid like a rockstar you need to workout your emotional muscles instead. Everything you have been taught about women - must look handsome, must build muscles, must be a good guy rarely gets you laid--especially if you don't have the emotional strength to back it up.
Its your emotional and mental strength that produces the most amazing results with women. Be deeply secure within yourself. Never let them push you off center. If she cancels a date it shouldn't faze you at all. Don't even respond to it. Would it matter if she cancelled if you had two other dates that night? You should be happy she bailed.
You must have the emotional and mental strength that you are VERY WORTHY and that you ABSOLUTELY DO NO WANT HER and could care less.
It is about denying them d1ck, not being needy, walking out on them, cancelling dates, not caring, blowing them off, not being horny for her, not giving her any power. That is when her panties come off easily.
For an experiment - stop lifting weights, dress sloppy, eat whatever you want, don't shave. Work on your inner strength, your inner happiness, learn to fall in love with all flaws. Get deeply secure in yourself, learn to laugh at rejection.
Learn to stop focusing on your outer appearance and focus deeply in your emotional strength. When you really let go and you no longer crave sex---- If you can do that -- you will have women lined up ready to fvck you anytime, anywhere.

Damn bro, I got a hard on just reading this.

 

[Josh Stiles]

Damn bro, I got a hard on just reading this.

Thanks man.
Women are attracted to mentally strong men. (secure, not needy, having abundance)
If you can adopt these principles below you will run game on women like nobody's business.

Advanced Inner Game
ACCEPT YOURSELF AND FEEL DEEPLY SECURE
Zero neediness – Don't need her to fulfill you(Your purpose and hobbies fulfill you)
Zero insecurities – Feature what you can't fix (Be proud of being short, a fat slob, skinny, having hair loss because you own it and don't give a fvck about it)
Zero jealousy – You share all women with other men (law of abundance)
Zero anger – Nothing she does or says effects you(your not emotionally invested in her, you're emotionally invested in yourself)
Zero caring – You don't care of the outcome (you have other exciting things going on)
Zero fear – Approach women and get rejected(you don't care what she thinks)

One final note - the best times to meet women is when you look your worst.
It's harder to do, but your inner game will be more effective. This mindset of "looking your worst" will kill your ego and calm your anxieties.
Your ego says..."I must look hot, I must have big muscles, I must be jacked, I must have thick hair, I must look sexy, I must have a big penis, and I must make a lot of money is a mindfvck.
Someone will always be taller, better looking and have more money than you. Even the hottest, richest males on the planet are deeply insecure because they know someone will be taller, be better looking and have more money than them.
It is a vicious cycle that causes the insecurities. Stop taking yourself seriously.
So do the opposite and improve your success.
You will be amazed how much women love your imperfections -- if you love them too. Women hate perfect guys. It makes them feel lousy. Go out and try to look your worst and be your worst. Women love imperfect men who don't seem to care nor value them. That is real strength that gets women horny for you.

 

[17 shots]

Enter the judge.



Read between the lines.

A dude like me doesn't care about making a move fast before losing out. If it takes one minute, or one day for me to lose out on a chick, then Idc really. There will always be another one. Sure you may get the date with the chick, but that doesn't mean you'll score. Women go on dates with guys they don't care about all the time. I'll be the guy playing it cool, while you rush in to wine and dine... but to each his own. We don't all have to have the same game

 

[SteR]

Thanks man.
Women are attracted to mentally strong men. (secure, not needy, having abundance)
If you can adopt these principles below you will run game on women like nobody's business.

Advanced Inner Game
ACCEPT YOURSELF AND FEEL DEEPLY SECURE
Zero neediness – Don't need her to fulfill you(Your purpose and hobbies fulfill you)
Zero insecurities – Feature what you can't fix (Be proud of being short, a fat slob, skinny, having hair loss because you own it and don't give a fvck about it)
Zero jealousy – You share all women with other men (law of abundance)
Zero anger – Nothing she does or says effects you(your not emotionally invested in her, you're emotionally invested in yourself)
Zero caring – You don't care of the outcome (you have other exciting things going on)
Zero fear – Approach women and get rejected(you don't care what she thinks)

One final note - the best times to meet women is when you look your worst.
It's harder to do, but your inner game will be more effective. This mindset of "looking your worst" will kill your ego and calm your anxieties.
Your ego says..."I must look hot, I must have big muscles, I must be jacked, I must have thick hair, I must look sexy, I must have a big penis, and I must make a lot of money is a mindfvck.
Someone will always be taller, better looking and have more money than you. Even the hottest, richest males on the planet are deeply insecure because they know someone will be taller, be better looking and have more money than them.
It is a vicious cycle that causes the insecurities. Stop taking yourself seriously.
So do the opposite and improve your success.
You will be amazed how much women love your imperfections -- if you love them too. Women hate perfect guys. It makes them feel lousy. Go out and try to look your worst and be your worst. Women love imperfect men who don't seem to care nor value them. That is real strength that gets women horny for you.

Sorry, but I am not sharing my woman with anyone else. I also don't buy this whole "be comfortable with yourself being a slob" - that sounds like what these fat feminists say about being proud and fat. I've been out of shape, and I've been in phenomenal shape.. and I know which one got me better results with the opposite sex. Having said that, some of what you mentioned rings true.

 

[ubercat]

I d say as long as you re splitting your attention between multiple women and keeping up your interests u can't go too far wrong. Even if you're chasing u ll b too busy to overdo it. Everyone has their niche.

 

[Josh Stiles]

Sorry, but I am not sharing my woman with anyone else. I also don't buy this whole "be comfortable with yourself being a slob" - that sounds like what these fat feminists say about being proud and fat. I've been out of shape, and I've been in phenomenal shape.. and I know which one got me better results with the opposite sex. Having said that, some of what you mentioned rings true.

SteR,

You have an deep insecurity which needs to be fixed.

A crybaby ego says..."I'm not sharing my woman with anyone because she is my girlfriend.. We love and respect each other. She is my pacifier. No man touches my woman. Hands off! Don't disrespect me by flirting with my girlfriend!" I will fight you." Texts and calls her all the time. Always touching her. Getting jealous when guys flirt with her. Serious, romantic behavior. Weak.
How does she truly respect and desire you? You treat her that she is not high priority in your life. You cancel dates, go out with other women, set up multiple dates in one evening, talk to other people when on a date with her. (non needy, non emotional behavior.)
To be honest I don't want her to treat me high priority either. She needs a life of her own and I would prefer she talks to other people too cause it shows confidence.

A deeply secure guy says....."hun, I have to cancel tonight. We will get together soon" Show her love. But do it with non-needy behavior. On a date say to her...."I want to see you kiss that guy over there." She won't do it. She is thinking "this guy is secure himself, he is not attracted to me, my seduction powers are useless to him." Which challenges her more.
You live for yourself. You don't need a woman to make you happy. The best thing your secure self can say is......"Babe go have fun tonight. Then meet me afterwards." Your attitude needs to be securely EPIC in yourself. That type of non needy, emotional strength is like kryptonite to women.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Sorry, but I am not sharing my woman with anyone else. I also don't buy this whole "be comfortable with yourself being a slob" - that sounds like what these fat feminists say about being proud and fat. I've been out of shape, and I've been in phenomenal shape.. and I know which one got me better results with the opposite sex. Having said that, some of what you mentioned rings true.

Yes, it is not an either/ or but both - be the best you can, and be comfortable with who you are.

The first part is the hardest as we are all just human; so the second part, the acceptance of that fact, is crucial.

 

[Bayne05]

Congratulations, you've finally seen the light. It only takes such situations to make you realise women in OLD are all full of sh!t. Women in OLD are only there to boost their egos and their low self-esteems. They want to feel the thrill of being wanted by thousands of men. Some even act interested then flake on you just for the entertainment of seeing you getting angry, and then brag to her friends about how badly guys want her. I've actually tested this by laughing at them as soon as I see she's trying to get me angry and guess what? She gets angry and starts throwing insults because I crushed her ego by not giving in to her games.
I never ever take any women I met online seriously, it's just a bunch of women I wanna fvck. Don't get angry when she flakes, just move on to the next. They are all ego-inflated b!tches.

 

[soulforge]

SteR,

You have an deep insecurity which needs to be fixed.

A crybaby ego says..."I'm not sharing my woman with anyone because she is my girlfriend.. We love and respect each other. She is my pacifier. No man touches my woman. Hands off! Don't disrespect me by flirting with my girlfriend!" I will fight you." Texts and calls her all the time. Always touching her. Getting jealous when guys flirt with her. Serious, romantic behavior. Weak.
How does she truly respect and desire you? You treat her that she is not high priority in your life. You cancel dates, go out with other women, set up multiple dates in one evening, talk to other people when on a date with her. (non needy, non emotional behavior.)
To be honest I don't want her to treat me high priority either. She needs a life of her own and I would prefer she talks to other people too cause it shows confidence.

A deeply secure guy says....."hun, I have to cancel tonight. We will get together soon" Show her love. But do it with non-needy behavior. On a date say to her...."I want to see you kiss that guy over there." She won't do it. She is thinking "this guy is secure himself, he is not attracted to me, my seduction powers are useless to him." Which challenges her more.
You live for yourself. You don't need a woman to make you happy. The best thing your secure self can say is......"Babe go have fun tonight. Then meet me afterwards." Your attitude needs to be securely EPIC in yourself. That type of non needy, emotional strength is like kryptonite to women.

I can see this kind of attitude working for a while.. but if she think you can carry on like this, and have a long term relationship.. Then I doubt this will work, for too long..

Woman these days have many options, a CONFIDENT secure woman, would walk away from this kind of attitude in a matter of weeks..

A very insecure girl might buy into this.. but high value secure woman will just toss your ass aside

 

[Josh Stiles]

I can see this kind of attitude working for a while.. but if she think you can carry on like this, and have a long term relationship.. Then I doubt this will work, for too long..

Woman these days have many options, a CONFIDENT secure woman, would walk away from this kind of attitude in a matter of weeks..

A very insecure girl might buy into this.. but high value secure woman will just toss your ass aside

Soulforge,

In a long-term relationship it is not about her -- it is about adding value to her life. Share your life with her unconditionally, but never make her your purpose.

You shouldn't care if a confident woman walks away from you.
She has other dating options? "Cool, go explore those options, luv ya" Never say "good luck or see ya" since it shows anger and your closing the door on her. Instead, your door is always open since you're not fazed by her rejections.

What is a unneedy, unemotional guy? Someone who never gets angry at her, never flinches, smirks, cancels dates, doesn't call her often. If she walks away -- cool. She comes back to you -- cool. Either way you are OK with it since you had an epic weekend.
It is ironic, the women who text me the most are the ones whom I have forgotten about.

A needy ,average guy falls in love with a hot, confident woman. And if she desires another man he is screwed. He let her mindfvck him. She hijacked his brain. What gives her the right to control his thoughts and have him obsessively think about her?
It is ironic, the women who never text me are the ones whom I think about the most.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Soulforge,

It works amazingly well long-term and know several relationships where the man is the "unemotional" one in the relationship.
His wife pleases him every chance she gets. I have seen this in girlfriend/boyfriend relationships where marriage happens because his aloofness.

You shouldn't care if a confident woman walks away from you. She has options, but so you do. Billions of women out there.
Show her unconditional love but never really be 100% fully invested. Let all women go free.
It is not about her -- it is about you. Take the focus off her, share your life with her, but never make it about her.

What is a unneedy, unemotional guy? Someone who never gets angry at her, never flinches, smirks, cancels dates, doesn't call her often. If she walks away -- cool. One less needy girl in your life. She comes back to you -- cool
It is ironic, the women who text me the most are the ones whom I have forgotten about.

A needy ,average guy falls in love with a hot, confident woman. And if she desires another man he is screwed. She just mindfvcked him.
She hijacked his mind. What gives her the right to control his thoughts and have him obsessively think about her?
It is ironic, the women who never text me are the ones whom I think about the most.

Yea a lot of guys are successful (have kids, etc.) and don't even attempt to pry into the inner workings of female psychology.

They just chill out, worry about themselves, and watch TV. Some even play video games. I really don't know how they do it. But they don't even try to do it. THAT is frustrating, as oppose to me who thinks about this every day and can barely get results.