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What kept me on it was the belief I was saving time but actually it'd be more efficient to meet the girls the old fashioned way. Good riddance.

I feel liberated.
Congrats! I just deleted Bumble today and feel uplifted about my future offline.

Most of them, however, are already in relationships.
I carpooled and went hiking with a group of people last weekend off of a Meetup group after meeting at a parking lot first. I drove a couple to our hiking spot. The couple had been together for two years. The couple seemed affectionate with each other, quiet/reserved sometimes yet generally happy. Arriving at our hiking spot, I park the car, get out and randomly pull up my Bumble app while I was waiting for everyone to be ready to hike. Guess who first pulls up on my Bumble screen? The female partner of the couple that was sitting in my back seat. I was astonished. So I don't know about most profiles on Bumble that are already in "committed" relationships, :lol: but this chick definitely was.
 

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@Tenacity Dating 100s of women who all happen to be trash doesn't give you insight into the higher end of the market. Why is it that @guru1000 has such a different opinion on this than you do?

Quality over quantity. Simple.

And if you honestly believe that:

1. OLD has the same quality of women as real life and

2. If you happen to find a quality woman in OLD you have the same chances as you would if you'd met her in real life

Then you are deluding yourself and betraying a complete lack of understanding of the dynamics that influence both mediums.

I know personally a relatively large subset of quality men and women who would not touch OLD because they don't need to. Most of them, however, are already in relationships.
So much this @Espi whom i respect greatly we have been going back and forth on this in various threads (no beef) on and off over the years

What guys don't realize is that there is a group of women who don't NEED online dating nor will use it. I'll just use 2 examples of the top of my head

1. The sorority/College girls--I live 20 minutes from a college town. With multiple colleges. I remember approaching a group of girls earlier this year and "Tinder" and online dating came up. The girls all said they didn't need dating apps, because they can meet men at house parties, on campus or at bars.


^^^This is a picture of said girls it's a bad picture and honestly doesn't do them any justice. All of them had tight bodies, and perky tits. Two even had nice firm ass's from what i saw. These type of girls in my town you would be hard pressed to find online even on tinder. and IF you do find one usually they are just there to attention wh0re

2. Social circle girls--These are the 9's/10's not the pseudo 9's/10's that are 7's that you guys love to overrate. These girls are always on the go. Check their social media one day at an after party, next day at Kendrick or EDM concert, than at some brunch, the weekend in Vegas etc. What I'm saying is these women are always surrounded by men in their social circle or high value men who have money. These women you will not find online it's actually beneath them.



These women will not be online

I'm not discrediting online dating, I have used it myself plenty of times and got tons of poon from it

But there is a group of women who will never need online dating because they have enough options already in real life
 

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I deleted Tinder and Bumble because OLD is pretty **** for black men. It would take me too much effort for very little results while my white friends could get a date at ease. In addition, the girls I was matching with were alll low quality at best. I don't participate in any game where I start severely handicapped at the beginning. In addition, it really does frustrate you a lot.
Unless you're in great shape you're wasting your time, as a black man myself I would recommend niche game
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social circle game

This is the best way to meet quality women from any race. Most guys do online dating and wonder why they meeting fucced up women is cause they bottom of the barrel.
Get your social cloud up and you'd be amazed what it will do for your social proof
 
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Gotta love certain dudes itt using OLD trying to turn h0es into housewives. As if some damaged bird automatically changes her toxic personality, traits etc and becomes suzie homemaker for a "high value" man searching for p00n in a virtual garbage dump simply because he says so. Just LOL.
 

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So what happens when you meet a girl in your social group that seems pretty solid then you find out she also uses a dating app? Is she automatically damaged goods? I know of only 1 female out of about 25 that haven't used OLD.
 

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So what happens when you meet a girl in your social group that seems pretty solid then you find out she also uses a dating app? Is she automatically damaged goods? I know of only 1 female out of about 25 that haven't used OLD.
I would be wary

IME most women who use online dating app's are not girlfriend material, the ones that are tend to

1. Find a guy really quick and settle down or 2. They get turned off by the bombardment of online dating
 

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I would be wary

IME most women who use online dating app's are not girlfriend material, the ones that are tend to

1. Find a guy really quick and settle down or 2. They get turned off by the bombardment of online dating
All women are bred that same to the extent that they ALL love validation and attention (if they can get it), whether that be OLD, facebook, instagram, etc.

Also we are delving into the realm that some women are different, hence the "unicorn" is found outside of OLD. Unfortunately unicorns do not exist; but women with certain motivations do. Either you meet those motivations (aka "needs") or you don't. Most confuse a man's meeting a woman's "needs" with his finding a unicorn. Not the same.
 
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All women are bred that same to the extent that they ALL love validation and attention (if they can get it), whether that be OLD, facebook, instagram, etc.

Also we are delving into the realm that some women are different, hence the "unicorn" is found outside of OLD. Unfortunately unicorns do not exist; but women with certain motivations do. Either you meet those motivations (aka "needs") or you don't. Most confuse a man's meeting a woman's "needs" with his finding a unicorn. Not the same.
Sounds like someone is trying to feebly justify his choice of venue to pick up damaged women and "justifying" that choice because "they're are no unicorns irl".

Might as well try to claim birds that hang out in the local town dive bar are just the same as women who don't and never have. If a bird is a frequent flier in a dive bar it's because she is a drunk, and has serious issues.

Women who have no trouble meeting men in high quality places through social circles etc have ZERO reason to hang out on virtual OLD dive bars.

You have fun meeting low quality women's needs to validate yourself as if that in itself isn't putting low quality women on a pedestal.
 

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NaughtyNinja, seems like you have an obsession with these OLD threads, heh.

Let's let bygones be bygones. I'm sorry Guru banned you ;)
 

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She's only damaged goods if she is NUTS

Everyone tried OLD at one point.. it's a TOOL... i've seen many professionnal with 6figure salary use it and find an LTR with another 6figure professional.
But agréé its 99% weird.

Anyway, it's just à tool... the user matter

Otherwise, I could say alltheguys here using OLD are pumpanddump quality
 
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NaughtyNinja, seems like you have an obsession with these OLD threads, heh.

Let's let bygones be bygones. I'm sorry Guru banned you ;)
Cool deflection.

Odd though a man of your so-called caliber being worried about who gets banned or not. Almost as if you admit you live your life on SS and OLD feebly attempting to justify digging through virtual dumps for "diamonds". LOL just LOL.
 
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Why would I bother emailing any chick on POF. That would mean I'd have to activate a new account which I haven't wasted time on there in over two years now and left the site with 33 yes thirty three pages of different chicks I spoke with not just online but on the phone. POF is old hat to me lil guy. Been there. Done that. Crushed it. First hand experience. Got many nudes, heard the nonsense on the phone from many of them. That site is infested with pure sewage. Why bother meeting the miscreants of society when I had better things to do especially after hearing shyt from the horses mouths themselves that will never be in-heard. High value men don't waste their time taking OLD seriously. It was merely time passing amusement for me. Such as you serve. Like it or not.
 
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... like creating 20+ accounts on SoSuave to talk to Guru, and getting repeatedly banned. :D
This site amuses me. 20+ accounts >>> Living on SS for a decade perpetrating the fraud. I see right through you son. LMAO
 

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Unless you're in great shape you're wasting your time, as a black man myself I would recommend niche game
i.e.

social circle game

This is the best way to meet quality women from any race. Most guys do online dating and wonder why they meeting fucced up women is cause they bottom of the barrel.
Get your social cloud up and you'd be amazed what it will do for your social proof
This theory has been floating around here for a long time. This idea that you get better quality through social circle game. Might of been true 5-10 years ago but not now.

You guys don't realize the speed at which the culture changes now because of the Internet and smart phones. EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is online now. Its hip. Even banking. Lots of banks are closing their branches. You can cash checks by using your smart phone to take a picture of it.

Catch up guys. You will NOT get better quality by avoiding online girls. The girls you meet through cold approach and social circles will be online too lol. As @Tenacity said earlier in this thread.. what you see online is a reflection of today's market. This is the market. You can run but you can't hide.
 
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This theory has been floating around here for a long time. This idea that you get better quality through social circle game. Might of been true 5-10 years ago but not now.

You guys don't realize the speed at which the culture changes now because of the Internet and smart phones. EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is online now. Its hip. Even banking. Lots of banks are closing their branches. You can cash checks by using your smart phone to take a picture of it.

Catch up guys. You will NOT get better quality by avoiding online girls. The girls you meet through cold approach and social circles will be online too lol. As @Tenacity said earlier in this thread.. what you see online is a reflection of today's market. This is the market. You can run but you can't hide.
You couldn't be more wrong. Unless you spend your time seeking out BPD's, dive bar drunks, birds that are known slores etc out in the field then online dating is the "same" as meeting chicks for you who don't use OLD.

I know personally for a 110% FACT besides knowing many, many chicks through social circles first and last name that know me first and last name there is a VAST difference in the majority of quality chicks who don't use OLD than ones who live on those sites. Shyt the few I knew and who know me personally that I've seen and spoken to that were using OLD as in POF? Were complete and utter basket cases. Toxic to the core. I've never seen a chick I know who was normal, gets dudes easily through social circles ever using OLD. They don't need to because they get snatched up quick and are with dudes they've known, are in relationships or married. I've heard shyt directly from chicks using OLD in real life phone conversations multiple times from many of them online that would make your head spin. Shyt you couldn't make up if you tried. No matter how they looked.

If they're on an online dating site they're there for a reason. And it's not good at all. But if you want to provide countless excuses for chicks who need to use OLD EX: POF. Have at it.

I realize though many dudes are so desperate that they need a justification for trying to pick up easy sleazies and the worse they are is like an "go for it bro!" advertisement for the desperate and needy.

Keep deluding yourself. Like I said. You can try all you want to claim chicks that live in the local dive bar are "just the same" as chicks who wouldn't step foot in the town dive bar but you're fooling no one.
 

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You couldn't be more wrong. Unless you spend your time seeking out BPD's, dive bar drunks, birds that are known slores etc out in the field then online dating is the "same" as meeting chicks for you who don't use OLD.

I know personally for a 110% FACT besides knowing many, many chicks through social circles first and last name that know me first and last name there is a VAST difference in the majority of quality chicks who don't use OLD than ones who live on those sites. Shyt the few I knew and who know me personally that I've seen and spoken to that were using OLD as in POF? Were complete and utter basket cases. Toxic to the core. I've never seen a chick I know who was normal, gets dudes easily through social circles ever using OLD. They don't need to because they get snatched up quick and are with dudes they've known, are in relationships or married. I've heard shyt directly from chicks using OLD in real life phone conversations multiple times from many of them online that would make your head spin. Shyt you couldn't make up if you tried. No matter how they looked.

If they're on an online dating site they're there for a reason. And it's not good at all. But if you want to provide countless excuses for chicks who need to use OLD EX: POF. Have at it.

I realize though many dudes are so desperate that they need a justification for trying to pick up easy sleazies and the worse they are is like an "go for it bro!" advertisement for the desperate and needy.

Keep deluding yourself. Like I said. You can try all you want to claim chicks that live in the local dive bar are "just the same" as chicks who wouldn't step foot in the town dive bar but you're fooling no one.
POF isn't the only OLD site. In fact.. that is probably the worst TRASH can of a dating site around.

I have friends who met great girls online and I have friends who met TRASH in person and through social circles. Women change you know. I have buddies who married their high school and college sweethearts whom turned out to be TRASH down the road. Cheaters, bitches or both. Never would of known earlier because they were so sweet and classy lol. That's full blown social circle game for you.

The issue with social circle game is it only works ONCE. You date a girl from your social circle and it doesn't work out.. guess what happens? Either you or the girl are forced out of that social circle. People take sides and the social circle splits. I've gone through this already and watched friends go though it too.

There are a few types of women who never use OLD. You have women who are always OUT socializing and collecting orbiters. You have women who are wh0res. And you have women who are never single long enough to go online because they collect orbiters while in a relationship to have men lined up when their currant man goes belly up. There are also those women who never left their home town and have a big enough orbiter base that they never have to go online. And finally you have women who are still dating or married to their high school or college sweetheart (might be good women or might not be). They will end up online soon if there is a divorce though unless they have another man lined up before the break up.

The moral of the story is women who don't use OLD are just better at collecting orbiters. That does not a quality woman make.

If a woman lives in a major city as I do, she is often from somewhere else. She arrives with few or no friends and few or no connections at first. So she might venture online to meet people. Cities are full of transplants, college students and immigrants. A woman who is new in town will either go out a lot to meet people (and collect orbiters) or she will go online.

Maybe things are different out in the country and rural areas, but in the city there is virtually NO difference between the market online and the market in real life. I do OLD, cold approach, after work happy hours, social sports AND just about every way under the sun you can meet women. That's how I know.

Why do you think marriage rates are dropping? OLD or because the overall quality of the market has declined? Think about it.
 
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